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WHAT??? recording that doesn't suck and isn't over priced?

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[Mar 31,2005 2:20am - milkydeathgrind ""]
Email- milkydeathgrind@yahoo.com with questions......... and don't make a bunch of fucking retarded sinical posts to this..........assholes!!!!!!!!!!
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[Mar 31,2005 4:19am - milkydeathgrind ""]
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[Mar 31,2005 8:28am - anonymous  ""]
Great another kid that does recording to get friends.
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[Mar 31,2005 8:29am - Joe/NotCommon ""]
You should log in and make fun of him as yourself, like I do, pussy.
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[Mar 31,2005 9:32am - milkydeathgrind ""]
i don't just "do" recording.......I AM A FUCKING RECORDING!!!!!!!!!!
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[Mar 31,2005 11:10am - timma ""]
...so should i wait until the beep or just come right out with how ridiculous a name "what just happened studio" is?
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[Mar 31,2005 11:27am - milkydeathgrind ""]
think of a better name then...............i'm open for suggestion........dick
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[Mar 31,2005 12:09pm - Josh_hates_you ""]
he does not even know what phantom power is.
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[Mar 31,2005 12:11pm - TYAG  ""]
i like reamping. ha
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[Mar 31,2005 12:15pm - handinjury ""]
Josh_hates_you said:he does not even know what phantom power is.


So i guess a "decca tree" mic setup on drums is out of the question.
:spineyes:
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[Mar 31,2005 12:15pm - Josh_hates_you ""]
handinjury said:Josh_hates_you said:he does not even know what phantom power is.


So i guess a "decca tree" mic setup on drums is out of the question.
:spineyes:



There was an article about that in this months tape op mag.

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[Mar 31,2005 12:16pm - Josh_hates_you ""]
oh yeah I'm getting an AT 4050 after i get my taxes back so i can do mid side micing as well as having a sweet omni for room sounds on drums.
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[Mar 31,2005 2:31pm - milkydeathgrind ""]
awesome........well at least you guys know all the names of every piece of recording equipment that has ever existed. now go try and make a recording that doesn't sound like a fucking asshole jerking off to his mom in the shower.
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[Mar 31,2005 2:32pm - milkydeathgrind ""]
fucking idiot
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[Mar 31,2005 5:05pm - handinjury ""]
ouch dude, and how did you find out my recordings DO sound like a fucking asshole jerking off to his mom in the shower? Awesome, i guess that 10:1 comp ratio really did what i wanted it to.
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[Mar 31,2005 5:17pm - Hooker ""]
give me a link to something you've done. i need to book studio time soon
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[Mar 31,2005 5:31pm - milkydeathgrind ""]
http://www.myspace.com/rogercarrolltrustee .......
and everything pfap has done
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[Mar 31,2005 5:33pm - milkydeathgrind ""]
http://www.myspace.com/prayforaplague not the best examples though....(mp3)
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[Apr 1,2005 2:49pm - milkydeathgrind ""]
http://www.myspace.com/hegeliandialectic
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[Apr 1,2005 11:51pm - ifuck ""]
ok, heres the fuckin deal. i would rather stab my own cock with an red hot glowing piece of re-bar, than EVER hear that again. you know as much about recording as i do about fuckin your mother in the ass... we both know ive never met her. however, i do hear shes back in business... good job getting her all healed that fast. anyway, quit the "recording" business, and go kill yourself, you hippy faggot. chew fuck and live, cunt. (so i can keep ripping on you)

PS, do you let paying customers drink beer while they record, or are you too much of a paranoid pillhead, that thinks the world is out to get him. now that i think of it... youre a cunt.
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[Apr 2,2005 12:02am - niccolai ""]
It's not clean at all. It's legible at times but theres to much noise and the levels are icky.
Not as bad as what I was expecting, but I wouldn't spend money on recording of this quality, I might give you like a tee shirt or a bag of MMs or something.
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[Apr 2,2005 3:50am - milkydeathgrind ""]
hey gang, here's a neat game we can play.......okay, 1.someone make a post on this site. 2.someone else make the most witty and tastless post they can think of trying to out do that post. 3.repeat step 2 until there is nothing left to do but roll on the floor and make gurgling noises. 3.record yourself throwing up the $500 demo you just made and then ate. 4.send the vomitty demo to me and i'll make it sound like someone who knew what they were fucking doing recorded it.
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[Apr 2,2005 10:36am - handinjury ""]
milkydeathgrind said:hey gang, here's a neat game we can play.......okay, 1.someone make a post on this site. 2.someone else make the most witty and tastless post they can think of trying to out do that post. 3.repeat step 2 until there is nothing left to do but roll on the floor and make gurgling noises. 3.record yourself throwing up the $500 demo you just made and then ate. 4.send the vomitty demo to me and i'll make it sound like someone who knew what they were fucking doing recorded it.


So what do you have for mic pre-amps????
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[Apr 2,2005 12:16pm - mike.........  ""]
i am going to go out on a limb and say that for running a business, your customer service is sub-par
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[Apr 2,2005 1:28pm - anonymous  ""]
milkydeathgrind said:send the vomitty demo to me and i'll make it sound like someone who knew what they were fucking doing recorded it.


Hey, I got an idea, why don't you do that with your own examples you posted first? Might help establish a little competence on your part. As it stands right now, I wouldn't trust you to record the sound of my shit hitting an empty toilet bowl.

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[Apr 2,2005 1:29pm - ArrowHead ""]
Oops, sorry, that was me being anonymous.
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[Apr 2,2005 3:19pm - ifuck ""]
ive gotta say.. this guys is one of the biggest little faggots ive ever met. and by met, i mean "hey hows it going" (with a hand-shake offered) and what i get is.. mumble mumble.. with the most FAGGOTY limp wristed pussy offering of a handshake that ive EVER seen. a fuckin 87 year old lady has a firmer grip than this cocksucker. and if you DO record with this guy (out of desperation) beware, youll probably have to park a block away, because hes too scarded that the dover PD will think theres a party going on. hahahahahaha... what a fuckin aggot!:doublehorns:
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[Apr 2,2005 4:55pm - retzam ""]
Ifuck, you sound like you're 13 years old... what the fuck is this weak handshake metaphor?
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[Apr 2,2005 5:12pm - retzam ""]
Sorry, kind of a pointless insult there, but I just don't see why you're being such an ass to this guy, he hasn't done anything to slight or offend you in any way.
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[Apr 2,2005 5:46pm - ifuck ""]
atcually, what i said wasnt a metaphor. it happened. learn to read
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[Apr 2,2005 5:48pm - ifuck ""]
ifuck said:biggest little faggots ive ever met. :



like i said, i met him, he was a jerk off to me, so fuck him up his ass!
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[Apr 2,2005 5:58pm - retzam ""]
Sorry man, I'm even more glad I apologized for my comment before you read it then.
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[Apr 2,2005 7:24pm - kyledoes ""]
I have heard a lot of bands on hear recorded for $ 500+ and it has definitely not sounded even half as good as some of the stuff alex has done...also keep in mind he has only been doing recording for 2 months......either way your all a bunch of cunts..connect a vaccum tube to your asshole and connect another one leading to your mouth and eat your own shit...get a.i.d.s
kyle
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[Apr 2,2005 7:25pm - kyledoes ""]
I think another reason that roger carrol isnt a good example is cause they fucking suck.
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[Apr 2,2005 8:44pm - grundlegremlin ""]
All this just because he didn't give you a proper hand shake? YOU are the fag my friend. I'm suprised he even shook your hand. You must cry alot.
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[Apr 2,2005 9:00pm - ifuck ""]
no, i dont cry alot, i laugh at faggots like the two of you!
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[Apr 2,2005 9:11pm - ArrowHead ""]
kyledoes said:I think another reason that roger carrol isnt a good example is cause they fucking suck.



So go record some good examples and drop the cocky attitude until you do.

SOME of US, myself included, have been recording a long time and done years of study and trial and error to be able to do what we do. Seeing random douchebags go out and buy a soundcard, only to profess themselves as knowledgeable 2 months later, is quite frustrating. If you came across with a little humility, maybe we might take you under our wings, offer pointers, or even send some customers in the start-up market your way. Your current attitude, however, will get you nowhere.

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[Apr 2,2005 9:20pm - ArrowHead ""]
niccolai said:It's not clean at all. It's legible at times but theres to much noise and the levels are icky.
Not as bad as what I was expecting, but I wouldn't spend money on recording of this quality, I might give you like a tee shirt or a bag of MMs or something.




It's not any kind of recording I'd be happy with, but you've also got to consider the other sub$500 demo packages from local studios. I'd say he's comparable with most, however there are a few I've heard that are far better.

It's not so much his recording that would turn people away at first, moreso his cocky attitude and obvious ignorance about the very subject of recording.
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[Apr 2,2005 10:49pm - meanjean...  ""]
yeah cocky attitudes are cool..........and you all are still assholes.
I am addicted to internet porn.
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[Apr 2,2005 10:50pm - meanjean...  ""]
and yes alex should have given up with these posts by now...they are getting even more good feedback.
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[Apr 2,2005 11:04pm - milkydeathgrind ""]
post about recording. (emphasis on ".") i really just have people come in here and strap on a nose flute, and then i record that sound on to my talk boy and run it through all different kinds of neat computer things that i dont really know how to use. i make so much money from this it's unbelievable. im hoping one day i can get one of those cool "microphones" they have at radio shack.
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[Apr 3,2005 1:18am - sxealex ""]
why is everyone sucha prick?
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[Apr 3,2005 1:20am - whiskey_weed_and_women ""]
sxealex said:why is everyone sucha prick?


i heart you Alex ! :itchy:
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[Apr 3,2005 8:06am - ifuck ""]
sxealex said:why is everyone sucha prick?


id havta say its just a fun thing to do! plus, when somebody is cockey when they have NO reason to be.. well thats just down right faggotty!
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[Apr 3,2005 10:23am - niccolai ""]
I don't think I was prickish, my post was prtty straight forward and fair.
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[Apr 3,2005 10:24am - handinjury ""]
Milke death grind: whats are you using for mic preamps?????
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[Apr 3,2005 10:26am - sinistas ""]
This production would be awesome for black metal.
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[Apr 3,2005 10:43am - jonnyrites ""]
it's actually pretty sad that a post about recording turned into a pissing match. that's pretty fucking lame people. alex is currently recording my band, and so far its turning out damn good. and for us he's mix synths and keyboards in addition to the typical lineup. sure he may not have been doing this for that long, but he's dedicated to making everything he records sound the best he can. word up.
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[Apr 3,2005 10:45am - nick ""]
this thread is hillarious.
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[Apr 3,2005 11:04am - retzam ""]
I don't quite understand this all. There seems to be a valid reason for everyone's shitting on this kid, and there also seems to be a valid reason for people to not shit on him... I'm confused, I don't know any information about anything.
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[Apr 3,2005 2:41pm - ifuck ""]
just know you should shit on him.. its just more fun!
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[Apr 3,2005 3:05pm - milkydeathgrind ""]
this is fucking ridiculous. if you want to get a decent recording for a really good price email me. i didn't ask any of you to tell me whether or not i knew what i was doing, or whether or not you "liked" me. i like the part on this thread where i say i can record bands and then i get mauled by retarded internet freaks for being cocky.
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[Apr 3,2005 4:27pm - Doomkid ""]
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[Apr 3,2005 5:13pm - milkydeathgrind ""]
REALLY??????????????
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[Apr 3,2005 11:13pm - DEATH2ALL ""]
Ok, "HandInjury" has asked you the same question twice and you haven't even noticed it, nevermind answering it. Now your just stuck in a online forum battle over who can sound smarter.
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[Apr 3,2005 11:22pm - kyledoes ""]
what do you guys have for mic pre-amps?? Do you guys like midi-cables ?
I think they are neat!!!
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[Apr 3,2005 11:39pm - PatMeebles ""]
I hope this kid didn't go to berklee. That would've been a waste in teaching.
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[Apr 3,2005 11:49pm - silky ""]
holy shit! all of you need to shut the fuck up.
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[Apr 3,2005 11:51pm - handinjury ""]
kyledoes said:what do you guys have for mic pre-amps?? Do you guys like midi-cables ?
I think they are neat!!!



I have a Trident se-20 , Focusrite Twintrak, dbx-386 for pres. I dont run much stuff midi except for my Alesis dm-5, but i plan on getting a midi keyboard to work with reason and soundtank.
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[Apr 3,2005 11:58pm - silky ""]
handinjury said:kyledoes said:what do you guys have for mic pre-amps?? Do you guys like midi-cables ?
I think they are neat!!!



I have a Trident se-20 , Focusrite Twintrak, dbx-386 for pres. I dont run much stuff midi except for my Alesis dm-5, but i plan on getting a midi keyboard to work with reason and soundtank.



he was making fun of you. now, for the love of fucking god, let this thread die. no one cares except you four fucks, and no one gives a shit about you. shut the fuck up.
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[Apr 4,2005 12:26am - sxealex ""]
i had an alesis dm5 but is sucked so i sold it
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[Apr 4,2005 2:17am - DEATH2ALL ""]
sxealex said:i had an alesis dm5 but is sucked so i sold it


Why did it suck? I've had mine for a while now.
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[Apr 4,2005 9:02pm - Bradness ""]
i can do better with my Tascam 4 track. Listen to the Kevorkian's Angels demo on the World Eater/Not COmmon sampler. Or find the Adolf Satan demo. Or check out Nightstick's Ultimatum cd, the tune Ultimatum(4 track version)

check your levels dude, computers don't have natural distortion
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[Apr 5,2005 12:03am - kyledoes ""]
yeah dude!!
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[Apr 5,2005 2:32am - BigT  ""]
handinjury said:<<kyledoes said:<<what do you guys have for mic pre-amps?? Do you guys like midi-cables ?
I think they are neat!!! >>

I have a Trident se-20 , Focusrite Twintrak, dbx-386 for pres. I dont run much stuff midi except for my Alesis dm-5, but i plan on getting a midi keyboard to work with reason and soundtank.>>

... and my bet is, for the hundreds extra you spent, your recordings don't sound that much better. Aside from that, kyledoes was kidding.
Everything else in order... phantom power is a 18-48v power source provided through balanced cabling to condenser microphones requiring it, and re-amping is only useful if you yourself are completely useless at determining what the right sound is, and getting it right the first time. Decca tree micing, also unnecessary to get a good sound. The AT 4050 is okay, but I'd recommend the CAD E200 instead... it's even a little more transparent. The mic preamps used were those provided within a Mackie CR-1604 board... not the best, but sufficient to get a good strong signal to the computer, and the rest can be done from there.
Lets all keep in mind 1) that one sample everyone is referring to has been downgraded from it's original quality, since MindSpace doesn't allow full-quality posts, and the other 2 weren't paying customers, and 2) for his price point (under $500). the paying customers' recording (the actual recording, not the digital-warbling, low-quality version on MySpace) came out better than other "professional" recordings I've heard costing over $1000.
Let's keep an open mind, and leave the grade-school insults for the hardcore kids talking about the latest show they went to.
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[Apr 5,2005 3:12am - kyledoes ""]
thats sure is some fancy mumbo jumbo!!!!! Cool!!!
Now I get it!!
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[Apr 5,2005 5:15am - Josh_hates_you ""]
BigT said: Everything else in order... phantom power is a 18-48v power source provided through balanced cabling to condenser microphones requiring it,


I'm glad you know this since he does not.

re-amping is only useful if you yourself are completely useless at determining what the right sound is, and getting it right the first time.


this should be reserved for fags like lenny kravitz. woo amp farm dude!

Decca tree micing, also unnecessary to get a good sound.


true it is unnecessary but there is no right or wrong way to do things and being aware of your options whether they be coincident pairs or 3 mic stereo groupings means you will be able to get a wider variety of sounds

The AT 4050 is okay, but I'd recommend the CAD E200 instead... it's even a little more transparent.


I have not used this mic (cade200) but every review I just read said it was rather unflattering and has a flat response with an un natural boosted mid gain. Not to mention they dont even produce it anymore.

The mic preamps used were those provided within a Mackie CR-1604 board... not the best, but sufficient to get a good strong signal to the computer,


What preamps? the ones alex used on those recordings? odd how in the two days of ims between alex and I he never mentioned even using an outboard mixer. he kept trying to sound smart and the more he said the more it was obvious he had no clue what he was talking about.

I have a 1604 vlz pro which is better than the CR version but is still not all that great. And I DO NOT record to a computer.

and the rest can be done from there.


Fixing it in the mix is gay. Digital mixing sux. Get an analogue summing bus, or at least read up on digital gain staging. Plugins are gay too. Get something outboard with a tube in it.


Lets all keep in mind 1) that one sample everyone is referring to has been downgraded from it's original quality, since MindSpace doesn't allow full-quality posts,


We are keeping this in mind since it has happened to every single mp3 hosted on myspace. We are not comparing it to the cds in our cars we are comparing it to the other shitty mp3's on myspace.

and the other 2 weren't paying customers,


What does it matter how much they paid he should have had some integrity and done as good of a job as possible not half ass it due to lack of payment it's called the learning process or paying your dues.


2) for his price point (under $500). the paying customers' recording (the actual recording, not the digital-warbling, low-quality version on MySpace) came out better than other "professional" recordings I've heard costing over $1000.


Hmm when is the last time brian or myself charged anyone over $100 for any amount of time from days to weeks?

98% these "proffessional" recordings come out like shit cause of the bands themselves. people think you just throw up some mics on the drums and press record. these people want to go into studios for a weekend or two they spend most of their time fucking around and then after spending the first 26 hours of a project tracking they never leave themselves enough time for a proper mixdown so the engineer pushes a few faders so the band can go home with a cd but in reality you should spend at least twice as long mixing as you did tracking. So I blame most bands for not budgeting mixdown time.


Let's keep an open mind, and leave the grade-school insults for the hardcore kids talking about the latest show they went to.


I never made a grade school insult I made a comment which was the truth as I knew it from an aim conversation I had with alex himself where he proved to be unaware of most everything.

Next time you want to sound smart.........try harder assface.(there was a grade school insult for ya)

I'm done with this thread.
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[Apr 5,2005 12:42pm - strangles kittens  ""]
I LOVE TITS!!!



and blow jobs
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[Apr 5,2005 12:57pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""]
guys, you all don't know shit. I run a Shure XSDAJDSDJJ7789 with an Alexis 5555

I heard if you criticize other people over how they do recording that it actually makes your own recording sound better. Oh wait no it doesn't in the least. Improve yourselves and don't worry about others so much.
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[Apr 5,2005 3:01pm - BigT  ""]
Josh_hates_you said:

I'm glad you know this since he does not.

he's not the only one working there.


this should be reserved for fags like lenny kravitz. woo amp farm dude!

haha! very true.

true it is unnecessary but there is no right or wrong way to do things and being aware of your options whether they be coincident pairs or 3 mic stereo groupings means you will be able to get a wider variety of sounds

my point exactly. there were actually multiple tracks done of some instruments to provide just that variety of sounds.

I have not used this mic (cade200) but every review I just read said it was rather unflattering and has a flat response with an un natural boosted mid gain. Not to mention they dont even produce it anymore.

it's all subjective... this is just what my ears are telling me.

What preamps? I have a 1604 vlz pro which is better than the CR version but is still not all that great. And I DO NOT record to a computer.

The CR series has simple built-in preamps (analog, though not tube). Recording to computer allows versatility and ease that are much more costly via outboard analog gear. All the same, everything he used up to the computer was an analog signal path, including processing on the mics, allowing some of the benefits of each method.

Fixing it in the mix is gay. Digital mixing sux.

That's probably why ProTools is so popular with the multi-million dollar producers.

What does it matter how much they paid ... it's called learning process or paying your dues.

It matters because the other two recordings were basically live takes in a practice space, without any preparation or implementation of actual recording techniques... the purpose of one was to just get down quick recordings of new band material, not to produce a professional record, and the other was just getting used to new programs. The more important point is that the other two weren't customers; they were recordings with his own bands.

98% these "proffessional" recordings come out like shit cause of the bands themselves. people think you just throw up some mics on the drums and press record... you should spend at least twice as long mixing as you did tracking.

I agree... that's the professional approach, and it's exactly what was done for the customers of this studio.

I never made a grade school insult ... Next time you want to sound smart.........try harder

The 'grade-school' comment wasn't directed at you, and I think you succeeded in completely missing the point. Congratulations.









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[Apr 8,2005 9:59pm - milkydeathgrind ""]
du
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[Apr 8,2005 9:59pm - milkydeathgrind ""]
du
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[Apr 8,2005 9:59pm - milkydeathgrind ""]
Phantom power??? like the opera thing?
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[Apr 8,2005 11:11pm - Dissector ""]
milkydeathgrind said:Phantom power??? like the opera thing?


Please tell me you're joking. Please please please tell me you're joking.
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[Apr 9,2005 1:14am - PatMeebles ""]
milkydeathgrind said:Phantom power??? like the opera thing?


My god.

I don't really know that much about recording, and I definitely don't know how condensor mics (I believe these are the mics that use Phatom Power) would be a better choice than a simple SM-58. But for god's sake, people who have a recording studio should at least know what the hell these things are.
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[Apr 9,2005 3:02am - milkydeathgrind ""]
yeah.....i really think phantom power is a classic opera.....what is wrong with all of you.....oh yeah that's right, you're all rockstars
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[Apr 11,2005 4:32pm - robocunt ""]
ok all you people can fuck off, i put up with alex's shit all day and i still think he is better at recording then all of you
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[Apr 11,2005 6:01pm - powerkok ""]
8^(
This thread comes back more than Friday the 13th sequels.
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[Apr 12,2005 12:31am - robocunt ""]
powerkok said:8^(
This thread comes back more than Friday the 13th sequels.



i second that
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[Apr 12,2005 1:41am - kyledoes ""]
robocunt is alex's sister. listen to her she rides horses.
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[Apr 12,2005 1:58pm - milkydeathgrind ""]
haahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[Apr 12,2005 4:05pm - strangles kittens  ""]
I still love tits!



and blow jobs
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[Apr 13,2005 4:53pm - robocunt ""]
porkchop sandwiches!!!!
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[Apr 25,2005 7:59am - milkydeathgrind ""]
Fuck
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[Apr 25,2005 7:59am - milkydeathgrind ""]
OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[Apr 25,2005 8:02am - milkydeathgrind ""]
my fucking watmeyer 3000 with dual analog rimjobs has all the latest in analog everything.....i can even make digital music sound analog....
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[Apr 25,2005 8:03am - milkydeathgrind ""]
i just wanted to thank everyone for their support and know how with many different.......things (and get this thread back in the running)
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[Apr 25,2005 3:17pm - strangles kittens  ""]
Chesticles, funbags, hooters, lung warts, bazoombas, boobs, hooters, jumblies, milk bladders, tits, ta tas, dirty pillows


i still love blow jobs!!!
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[Apr 25,2005 4:18pm - milkydeathgrind ""]
ohhh snaaapppp!!!!!!!!!!
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[Apr 25,2005 4:19pm - milkydeathgrind ""]
back at the top where you fuckers don't belong
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[Apr 25,2005 4:20pm - strangles kittens  ""]
so you do decent recording for cheap?? are you willing to move your stuff to accomodate us?
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[Apr 25,2005 4:20pm - milkydeathgrind ""]
yup
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[Apr 25,2005 4:23pm - milkydeathgrind ""]
feel free to email me or do the aim thing or send me a carrier pigeon
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[Apr 25,2005 8:15pm - CongoogetalZobotomy ""]
I AM A RECORDING GOD
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[Apr 26,2005 9:42am - milkydeathgrind ""]
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[Apr 26,2005 9:43am - milkydeathgrind ""]
does everyone agree that the name change is all for the best?
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[Apr 26,2005 3:41pm - robocunt ""]

alex is alergic to the sun
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[Apr 26,2005 10:14pm - kyledoes ""]
he is also alergic to silverware and leather jackets.
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[Apr 27,2005 12:09am - DestroyYouAlot ""]
Hey, guys, Josh hates you recorded this, so clearly he knows what he's talking about: [URL= http://www.myspace.com/ritalinistheanswer ]Ritalin Is The Answer (LINK)





Ok, seriously, that was recorded about four years ago on a four track, Josh actually does know his shit. Although he sure has a "naming microphones" fetish.
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[Apr 27,2005 1:03am - Josh_hates_you ""]
hahahahahahahahahaha.
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[Apr 27,2005 2:47am - robocunt ""]
kile you should get drunk on friday the 13th and let some donkeys out of there fence

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