Voting Tuesday 11/2/2010?[views:6970][posts:109][poll! to vote:click here] to view:click here] _______________________________ [Nov 3,2010 12:48am - sigh ""] Burnsy said:Voted essentially to vote on the questions. Massachusetts will further prove its retardation if it doesn't cut the sales tax or alcohol sales tax. "But Mike, then they're just gonna raise other taxes." They're gonna raise the other fucking taxes anyway!!! People need to get the fuck over the idea of not paying any taxes. Every fucking election it's the same thing, raise taxes or lower them and the same endless bickering. Scandinavian countries have much higher taxes and a much better quality of life and services (ie healthcare) provided as a result. I'm willing to pay taxes as long as I see them used for something here at home. The problem is it all currently goes to funding foreign wars and bailing out banks. This is the real issue we should be addressing and not the amount we buy in at. Also since I am pro legalization and taxation of weed I can't justify saying it's okay to not have a sales tax on alcohol when it is far more harmful. |
| _________________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 9:31am - largefreakatzero ""] Disappointing that the few third party candidates got so few votes in NH. Nothing will change in this country in the forseeable future. |
| _______________________________ [Nov 3,2010 9:52am - Burnsy ""] sigh said: Burnsy said:Voted essentially to vote on the questions. Massachusetts will further prove its retardation if it doesn't cut the sales tax or alcohol sales tax. "But Mike, then they're just gonna raise other taxes." They're gonna raise the other fucking taxes anyway!!! People need to get the fuck over the idea of not paying any taxes. Every fucking election it's the same thing, raise taxes or lower them and the same endless bickering. Scandinavian countries have much higher taxes and a much better quality of life and services (ie healthcare) provided as a result. I'm willing to pay taxes as long as I see them used for something here at home. The problem is it all currently goes to funding foreign wars and bailing out banks. This is the real issue we should be addressing and not the amount we buy in at. Also since I am pro legalization and taxation of weed I can't justify saying it's okay to not have a sales tax on alcohol when it is far more harmful. I'm sick of people thinking I want NO taxes when in fact I think they should be LOWER. Taxes in Massachusetts are too fucking high. And the alcohol sales tax? Alcohol is already taxed. The alcohol sales tax is a tax on a tax. New Hampshire does fine with lower taxes. Their property taxes are higher but that's offset by no sales tax and no income tax. Speaking of where the tax dollars go, the war is obviously a huge amount but that's on a federal level. On a state level, we have over-inflated tax-free pensions for staties and EBT cards for people who use them to buy booze and cigarettes. People often compare the tax issue to Scandinavian countries and that just doesn't fly with me. Their population is much smaller and a socialist system is more sustainable than in a country of our size. |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 10:15am - arktouros ""] Is Massachusetts Really Taxachusetts? Massachusetts has had a sales tax since 1966, according to the Mass Budget and Policy Center. Although the state has been nicknamed "Taxachusetts," it's one of the few states that don't allow "local option" taxes on top of sales taxes. Compared to other states, Massachusetts residents are on the lower end of the scale in terms of the percentage of their income they pay in general sales tax. In 2006, Massachusetts ranked 45th at 1.4 percent of total income, compared to Louisiana at the top with 5.6% of personal income going to general sales tax. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5...massachusetts_ballot_questions.html |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 10:26am - arilliusbm ""] Abolish the current monetary system America and the solution presents itself. Break away from the US, separate the US into 6 different countries. Restart from scratch. I'm arilliusbm and I approve this message. |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 10:27am - arktouros ""] Burnsy said:People often compare the tax issue to Scandinavian countries and that just doesn't fly with me. Their population is much smaller and a socialist system is more sustainable than in a country of our size. Right, this country is too big, and nobody ever seems to mention the glaring federal defense spending/military policy and efficiency problem. Their history and culture is entrenched and contributes to their overall well-being, where this country was started by an ogliarchy not too long ago. I was talking about this with the Swedes in Suma - Massachusetts is as close as you get to Scandi socialist democracy in the US. Props to MA for staying consistent and keeping the GOP out. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 10:28am - Burnsy ""] arktouros said: Although the state has been nicknamed "Taxachusetts," it's one of the few states that don't allow "local option" taxes on top of sales taxes. Grammatical error. All information contained in the article is now moot. Seriously though, it's a flimsy argument for them to say taxes aren't high because we've had sales taxes since '66. There are indeed other types of taxes in Massachusetts that the article does not address. |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 10:29am - arktouros ""] arilliusbm said:Abolish the current monetary system America and the solution presents itself. Break away from the US, separate the US into 6 different countries. Restart from scratch. I'm arilliusbm and I approve this message. NE should secede. Other regions would follow, and then we can introduce the Amero. That will work right? |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 10:30am - arilliusbm ""] No comment. |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 10:31am - the_reverend ""] Burnsy said:I'm sick of people thinking I want NO taxes when in fact I think they should be LOWER. Taxes in Massachusetts are too fucking high. And the alcohol sales tax? Alcohol is already taxed. The alcohol sales tax is a tax on a tax. New Hampshire does fine with lower taxes. Their property taxes are higher but that's offset by no sales tax and no income tax. Speaking of where the tax dollars go, the war is obviously a huge amount but that's on a federal level. On a state level, we have over-inflated tax-free pensions for staties and EBT cards for people who use them to buy booze and cigarettes.AHAHAHA, you are just a perfect example of how good of a job radio stations like WTKK have done spreading these ideas and stories. Saying that alcohol is "double taxed" is like saying that all food is quadruple taxed. Did you know that when you buy that bottle of alcohol, the guy that gets paid to sell it to you was OMG taxed for the cost of selling you booze? and there are property taxes on his establishment, etc... etc... If you have a sales tax on goods that are sold, it should be on all non-necessities. otherwise, dump the sales tax. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 10:40am - Alx_Casket ""] Burnsy said: Speaking of where the tax dollars go, the war is obviously a huge amount but that's on a federal level. On a state level, we have over-inflated tax-free pensions for staties and EBT cards for people who use them to buy booze and cigarettes. FYI, EBT cards cannot be used to buy non-food items like liquor, cigarettes, vitamins or medicines, pet foods, soap, cosmetics, laundry products, paper goods, or other household products. Food products/ingredients only. The alcohol tax funded programs for the treatment/prevention of alcohol/substance abuse. MA is already one of the higher states in terms of alcohol/substance abuse so now there will be a lot less funding for these types of programs. A lot of states have sales tax in addition to excise tax on alcohol, but whatever. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 10:42am - Burnsy ""] the_reverend said: Burnsy said:I'm sick of people thinking I want NO taxes when in fact I think they should be LOWER. Taxes in Massachusetts are too fucking high. And the alcohol sales tax? Alcohol is already taxed. The alcohol sales tax is a tax on a tax. New Hampshire does fine with lower taxes. Their property taxes are higher but that's offset by no sales tax and no income tax. Speaking of where the tax dollars go, the war is obviously a huge amount but that's on a federal level. On a state level, we have over-inflated tax-free pensions for staties and EBT cards for people who use them to buy booze and cigarettes.AHAHAHA, you are just a perfect example of how good of a job radio stations like WTKK have done spreading these ideas and stories. Saying that alcohol is "double taxed" is like saying that all food is quadruple taxed. Did you know that when you buy that bottle of alcohol, the guy that gets paid to sell it to you was OMG taxed for the cost of selling you booze? and there are property taxes on his establishment, etc... etc... If you have a sales tax on goods that are sold, it should be on all non-necessities. otherwise, dump the sales tax. I'm familiar with the workings of the tax system. Doing tax returns is part of our accounting practice. You've buttressed my argument anyhow. Thanks. |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 10:44am - the_reverend ""] I live in NH and don't buy anything in mass... so... |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 10:45am - arilliusbm ""] That being said, a number of Russian economists have predicted that the USA, under it's current infrastrucure and system, shall cease being the USA within 20 years. Different sections will secede and a reorganization will occur. While this doesn't seem plausible at the moment, it certainly would be interesting to see what would happen if that's the case. Either way, the US is at a boiling point, and with our over-spending on the military industrial complex and priority of giving the upperhand to the banking industry, we're digging our own grave.. Much like empires in the past. I view it as or giant game of chess and risk, combined. Resources and control have taken priority over issues within the own country. If our politicians really cared about what's happening, they'd focus on internal issues first and foremost, rather than having outside sources control their actions. The tea party (hijacked by the GOP) is right in some regards, but are completely misguided on most. I think we are beyond repair; that is, unless we reorganize spending and priorities. Abolish the two party system. Or at least, expose the major influence that those who control the money hav on both. The country has been hijacked by everything which will ultimately lead to internal decay. |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 10:47am - the_reverend ""] Alx_Casket said:FYI, EBT cards cannot be used to buy non-food items like liquor, cigarettes, vitamins or medicines, pet foods, soap, cosmetics, laundry products, paper goods, or other household products. Food products/ingredients only. In correct fact. Part of the EBT can be used for direct cash. This can be withdrawn from ATMS You will receive half of your monthly welfare grant twice a month, either deposited directly into your bank account or paid through an electronic benefits transfer (EBT) card. With your EBT card, you can withdraw cash at bank ATMs and supermarkets. http://www.massresources.org/massachusetts_welfare_programs_d.html |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 10:48am - the_reverend ""] Go to an asian market on EBT day and you will see people buying lobster with EBT cards. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 10:48am - Burnsy ""] Alx_Casket said: Burnsy said: Speaking of where the tax dollars go, the war is obviously a huge amount but that's on a federal level. On a state level, we have over-inflated tax-free pensions for staties and EBT cards for people who use them to buy booze and cigarettes. FYI, EBT cards cannot be used to buy non-food items like liquor, cigarettes, vitamins or medicines, pet foods, soap, cosmetics, laundry products, paper goods, or other household products. Food products/ingredients only. The alcohol tax funded programs for the treatment/prevention of alcohol/substance abuse. MA is already one of the higher states in terms of alcohol/substance abuse so now there will be a lot less funding for these types of programs. A lot of states have sales tax in addition to excise tax on alcohol, but whatever. Um... yes... they definitely can be used for non-food products. Happens every day. And I don't have a problem with less funding for alcohol/substance abuse. The stance that a lot of states have the tax in addition to the excise doesn't make me okay with it. |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 10:48am - arktouros ""] TheRidersofDoom said:p.s. The movie centurion is released on tuesday Pictish warriors led by a woman (played by the sexy russian in quantum of solace) killing Roman soldiers or you are a pussy what???? gotta check this out |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 10:49am - the_reverend ""] Burnsy said:And I don't have a problem with less funding for alcohol/substance abuse. The stance that a lot of states have the tax in addition to the excise doesn't make me okay with it. Please, come to NH the alcohol is cheaper anyhow. A handle of vodka for $5 bottles in londonderry, NH? fuck yeah! Popov! |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 10:50am - arktouros ""] the_reverend said:I live in NH and don't buy anything in mass... so... Taco Bell makes you a liar and a thief. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 10:50am - arilliusbm ""] And by my tea party statement, I meant they're right in the "let's take our government back!!" regard, but are misguided. They've been hijacked by the GOP. Education and internal repair should be top priority. We are not the police of the world. We are not the hegemonic power we once were. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 10:51am - Burnsy ""] the_reverend said: Burnsy said:And I don't have a problem with less funding for alcohol/substance abuse. The stance that a lot of states have the tax in addition to the excise doesn't make me okay with it. Please, come to NH the alcohol is cheaper anyhow. A handle of vodka for $5 bottles in londonderry, NH? fuck yeah! Popov! I get my cigs and booze in NH. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 10:52am - Alx_Casket ""] Hmm, I guess I'll have to get my friends with EBT to start buying me booze then! And @Burnsy, when there is a prevention model in place that works, it's always going to be cheaper than a treatment model. But that's just mr. public health talking. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 10:56am - Burnsy ""] If you can get cash from the card, as Rev pointed out, you can get anything with it. Also, I agree with you regarding prevention but I didn't say anything about the efficacy of prevention vs. treatment. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 10:58am - Alx_Casket ""] We'll discuss this sometime in the future. I'll bring graphs. |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 10:59am - the_reverend ""] arktouros said: the_reverend said:I live in NH and don't buy anything in mass... so... Taco Bell makes you a liar and a thief.Since Ostelio is in daycare, I stopped eating out, including taco bell. I also stopped getting $30+ in dunkins a week. Right now, I only get $10 worth of pizza/coffee on Mondays. Still that is $520 a year, but a nilla needs to eat. |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 11:00am - the_reverend ""] Burnsy said:I get my cigs and booze in NH.<3 Just like I get my codeine tylenol in canada. |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 11:00am - the_reverend ""] Alx_Casket said:We'll discuss this sometime in the future. I'll bring graphs.simpsons did it. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 11:05am - arilliusbm ""] Although you guys are talking about states rights, ima still rant about how corrupt the US has become because it ultimately affects each individual state. There's proper representation for the people and by the people, then there's government overstepping its boundaries. Plato noted in "The Republic" that a government with too much power over what the PEOPLE want, will result in tyranny. It is our destiny to repeat the fallacies of old.. Unless we awake to the harsh reality of the situation. The states have LITTLE money to play with when it comes to their own interests. We are raped annually by the Fed and Congress allowing expenditures for the military industrial complex and international wars which had no real meaning (other than resource control and hegemonic influence). It is with this assertion that I must say that or national government needs to wake the fuck up, becase us states are getting impatient with their games. Tell me.. If you were on congress and someone came to you saying "I'll give you 300k if you vote "no" on this," what would you do? |
| _______________________________ [Nov 3,2010 11:18am - sigh ""] Burnsy said: Speaking of where the tax dollars go, the war is obviously a huge amount but that's on a federal level. Yes, I realize that is on the federal level. Was just using it as a big picture tax example. My point was every election, be it federal or state, we are too concerned with raising or lowering taxes, when we should be more concerned with where the money is actually going before we decide if we need to raise or lower taxes. On the state level we need funding for education and public services. Have you seen the condition of the roads in most of our towns lately? It's pathetic. We now compete for jobs on a global level and need to raise future generations that will be able to compete with the rest of the world. |
| _______________________________ [Nov 3,2010 11:27am - sigh ""] arilliusbm said:Abolish the current monetary system America and the solution presents itself. Break away from the US, separate the US into 6 different countries. Restart from scratch. I'm arilliusbm and I approve this message. Nice idea in theory but the problem with this is the majority of our food is grown elsewhere and the Northeast is too over developed and populated to create enough new farmland to support the current population. It's kind of like how the south during the civil war didn't have the industry and materials available to create enough weapons in order to fight the Union. All they had was primarily cotton and tobacco fields. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 11:29am - arilliusbm ""] It would increase trade, commerce, revenue. We'll ship them medical supplies and biotechnology, they'll ship up potatoes and carrots. |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 11:30am - largefreakatzero ""] Barter system or terrorist. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 11:32am - arilliusbm ""] All this being said, LETS MOVE UP TO THE YUKON, LIVE OFF THE LAND AND "FORGET" ABOUT SOCIETY |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 2:00pm - arilliusbm ""] Next time to vote = 2012. Going to be great. |
| ________________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 2:07pm - TheRidersofDoom ""] this could all be solved very easily if more people lived in big cities and less in suburbs, urban sprawl wastes tons of money on duplicate services such as roads, sewer systems, hospitals, schools, fire departments, police departments, courts, power-lines...etc I can guarantee you that they could fit everyone in NH in just Nashua, Manch, and Concord alone if they built taller residential buildings like Boston. They could then make everything else a giant state park, and of course they could still keep hotels and such nearby the tourist places. but only under a dictator would that happen, people like being selfish and living in exile away from cities like this is still the wild west. It's a cold hard fact that the average citizen in a city like Hollis consumes far more resources and energy per year than a person of the same income in downtown Manhattan. I have a feeling in the next hundred years anyone not living on a major transit line will be fucked over as nothing will ever replace oil as the main fuel |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 2:11pm - arilliusbm ""] Spoken like a true NWO ally |
| __________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 2:23pm - arktouros ""] Always assume people are dead set in their ways. |
| ________________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 2:26pm - TheRidersofDoom ""] arilliusbm said:Spoken like a true NWO ally Nah, I just understand the concept that land and resources aren't unlimited and this country will never embrace a new fuel choice, we pretty much deforested the north in the 1600s-1700s for fire wood and then we went on to drive the cetaceans to near extinction up until the mid 1800s and we won't change fuel sources until we hit peak oil, aka when it becomes more expensive to drill than what the oil can be sold for. NWO isn't real anyways, it's true that the world is pretty much in the hands of a cartel of large corporations, so unless you love Socialism you better not talk shit about the mega-corporations because the only way they are going away is if capital in this world is nationalized in every country. |
| __________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 2:29pm - arktouros ""] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons |
| ________________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 2:52pm - TheRidersofDoom ""] arktouros said:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons you could argue that putting a resource in the hand of one company would mean they would attempt to get as much money out of it as quickly as possible as they would profit more and lose less on salaries/taxes. and if privatization is a cure all why aren't all sewer systems, water companies, electric companies, roads, police departments, fire departments, highway systems, and post offices private? I like freedom but we have to face the fact that we live in a global kleptocracy where freedom is just a concept to keep us quiet as we get raped of our resources so our imperialist war lords can play with the soon to be invented tanks |
| __________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 3:09pm - Slag NLI ""] i think it is highly important that all American citizens own a gun or two within the next twenty years. We're gonna need it. REVOLUTION or not terrorist. |
| __________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 3:15pm - narkybark ""] FREEDOM FRIES AREN'T FREE |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 3:21pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] narkybark said:FREEDOM FRIES AREN'T FREE but they taste DELICIOUS |
| __________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 3:31pm - arktouros ""] TheRidersofDoom said: and if privatization is a cure all why aren't all sewer systems, water companies, electric companies, roads, police departments, fire departments, highway systems, and post offices private? i'd be the last person to say that privatization is the cure. it was even hard for me to type that. |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 3:44pm - arilliusbm ""] The govt is to serve it's people. |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 4:07pm - the_reverend ""] the govt says for you to shut up! |
| _________________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 4:20pm - largefreakatzero ""] TheRidersofDoom said:this could all be solved very easily if more people lived in big cities and less in suburbs, urban sprawl wastes tons of money on duplicate services such as roads, sewer systems, hospitals, schools, fire departments, police departments, courts, power-lines...etc I can guarantee you that they could fit everyone in NH in just Nashua, Manch, and Concord alone if they built taller residential buildings like Boston. They could then make everything else a giant state park, and of course they could still keep hotels and such nearby the tourist places. but only under a dictator would that happen, people like being selfish and living in exile away from cities like this is still the wild west. It's a cold hard fact that the average citizen in a city like Hollis consumes far more resources and energy per year than a person of the same income in downtown Manhattan. I have a feeling in the next hundred years anyone not living on a major transit line will be fucked over as nothing will ever replace oil as the main fuel Spoken by someone who already lives in the city. Fuck that, I'll keep my place in the woods and they better bring a small army if they want to drag me into your utopian city. I pay enough fucking property tax to cover my small footprint -- including $2700/yr for a school system that I will never bear a burden on (no kids and never will have them). And yes, I AM FUCKING SELFISH. |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 4:28pm - the_reverend ""] largefreakatzero said:$2700/yr that keeps kids from becoming uneducated, poor meth head thieves that constantly break into my house, my neighbors houses, my truck, my office, etc... and stealing stuff over and over again. Having to replace car and house windows... what a pita that would be. |
| __________________________________ [Nov 3,2010 4:32pm - arktouros ""] largefreakatzero said: TheRidersofDoom said:this could all be solved very easily if more people lived in big cities and less in suburbs, urban sprawl wastes tons of money on duplicate services such as roads, sewer systems, hospitals, schools, fire departments, police departments, courts, power-lines...etc I can guarantee you that they could fit everyone in NH in just Nashua, Manch, and Concord alone if they built taller residential buildings like Boston. They could then make everything else a giant state park, and of course they could still keep hotels and such nearby the tourist places. but only under a dictator would that happen, people like being selfish and living in exile away from cities like this is still the wild west. It's a cold hard fact that the average citizen in a city like Hollis consumes far more resources and energy per year than a person of the same income in downtown Manhattan. I have a feeling in the next hundred years anyone not living on a major transit line will be fucked over as nothing will ever replace oil as the main fuel Spoken by someone who already lives in the city. Fuck that, I'll keep my place in the woods and they better bring a small army if they want to drag me into your utopian city. I pay enough fucking property tax to cover my small footprint -- including $2700/yr for a school system that I will never bear a burden on (no kids and never will have them). And yes, I AM FUCKING SELFISH. lol, he must be joking, there is no way centralizing populations would solve anything. |