RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT[views:13545][posts:112]______________________________ [Dec 18,2007 6:04pm - CNV ""] Ron Paul is the only rebel out there... He will take care of the problems the USA has with those rotten to the core jews over in Israel sucking the lifeblood from this country! No more foreign entanglements!!! Fuck Israel, Fuck Africa, Fuck Mexico, Fuck Gun Control, Fuck the IRS, Fuck the Government, Fuck the corporations!!! Cleaning up America for Americans!!! RON FUCKING PAUL 08 !!!! |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 18,2007 6:06pm - dreadkill ""] i haven't done a lot of research, but how is he going to back up his claim to cut deficit spending AND get rid of income tax? |
| ______________________________ [Dec 18,2007 6:10pm - CNV ""] http://www.ronpaul2008.com/ |
| _________________________________ [Dec 18,2007 6:15pm - sxealex ""] he wont get elected for the sole reason that he looks like a clown |
| ______________________________ [Dec 18,2007 6:18pm - CNV ""] and did I mention he wants to decriminalize marijuana... If Ron Paul did win he had better have some top notch security because there would be a lot corrupt cocksuckers lookin to put a bullet in his head... |
| ______________________________________________ [Dec 18,2007 6:27pm - Fuck_Logging_In_NLI ""] fuck racism |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 18,2007 6:28pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] dreadkill said:i haven't done a lot of research, but how is he going to back up his claim to cut deficit spending AND get rid of income tax? Legalize photocopying dollar bills. |
| ______________________________ [Dec 18,2007 6:32pm - CNV ""] Fuck_Logging_In_NLI said:I was leaning more towards Hillary or Barack Obama. After all, I am gay... |
| ______________________________________________ [Dec 18,2007 6:40pm - Fuck_Logging_In_NLI ""] CNV said:Fuck_Logging_In_NLI said:I was leaning more towards Hillary or Barack Obama. After all, I am gay... speaks real well for Ron Paul and the people who support him. libertarian= racist republican dipshits who smokes weed |
| ______________________________ [Dec 18,2007 6:46pm - CNV ""] whoa, whoa, whoa stop the press... Who said anything about racism? If your gonna come in here talking out your ass about an all american patriot that upholds the constitution at least explain yourself cry baby... and to everyone else, are you gonna man up and vote for DR. RON "the rebel" Paul or are you gonna slide your pinko commie tampon in?! WOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHOOOOOOOOO!!!! |
| ______________________________ [Dec 18,2007 6:48pm - CNV ""] ps- Go sop ya cunts up... Ya bleeding heart Queeyahs! |
| _______________________________ [Dec 18,2007 7:05pm - Hoser ""] I whole-heartedly agree. Ron Paul 2008!!! |
| _____________________________ [Dec 18,2007 7:12pm - pam ""] CNV said:whoa, whoa, whoa stop the press... Who said anything about racism? CNV said:He will take care of the problems the USA has with those rotten to the core jews over in Israel sucking the lifeblood from this country! No more foreign entanglements!!! Fuck Israel, Fuck Africa, Fuck Mexico, Fuck Gun Control, Fuck the IRS, Fuck the Government, Fuck the corporations!!! Cleaning up America for Americans!!! |
| ______________________________ [Dec 18,2007 7:21pm - CNV ""] pam said:CNV said:whoa, whoa, whoa stop the press... Who said anything about racism? CNV said:He will take care of the problems the USA has with those rotten to the core jews over in Israel sucking the lifeblood from this country! No more foreign entanglements!!! Fuck Israel, Fuck Africa, Fuck Mexico, Fuck Gun Control, Fuck the IRS, Fuck the Government, Fuck the corporations!!! Cleaning up America for Americans!!! There is nothing racist in that statement... Fact of the matter is we funnel billions to Israel and what do they do for us Pammy wammy? Not a god damn thing except cause us to be entangled in some war that we should not be in... and Africa?! Well if your gonna be a liberal cry baby, how bout helping the Americans first that are starving... America first baby, America first Mexico?! Fuck em' ... They need to sort there own god damn problems out... We have enough god damn people in this country and the last thing we need is a bunch of cheap labor coming in and taking the working class americans jobs away... Pam, your pre menstrual baby cakes... Go get some birth control for them cramps ahhh yours... Love Uncle Pauly |
| _____________________________ [Dec 18,2007 7:30pm - pam ""] Actually, cupcake, I was just pointing out what prompted Fuck_Logging_In to say what he said. And it's pretty hard to be pre-menstrual when you're not menstruating, but thanks for patronizing me anyway. I really could care less what a racist, misogynist Nazi like yourself thinks about much of anything, so explanations of your thought processes aren't really necessary. And birth control doesn't stop cramps, it stops birth. You might want to brush up on your wit, captain. |
| ______________________________ [Dec 18,2007 7:39pm - CNV ""] Racist, misgynist, and a nazi?! Gee whiz Pam, you really are hurting my feelings... Fact of the matter is your programmed... If someone is critical of jews they are automatically a "nazi" these days... If someone says "you know 40 percent of the rivers and streams in this country are polluted because there is too many god damn people" than that automatically makes them a "bigot"... Turn your whiny white guilt bullshit sideways and drive it up yer ass... and all the rest of you fake ass gangstah's need to pull up yo fuckin pants cuz there is a new nigga in town and he can't be faded... RON PAUL 08 |
| _____________________________ [Dec 18,2007 7:44pm - pam ""] Whatever, dude. |
| ______________________________________________ [Dec 18,2007 7:53pm - Fuck_Logging_In_NLI ""] I wasn't saying Ron Paul is a racist you are. Its all right to question the policies of countries like Israel and Mexico... and maybe the CONTINENT of Africa...a region made up by lots of different countries and ethnic groups. but in the context you are using its just a thin mask for you racist beliefs and don't get but hurt when some one calls you on it. |
| ______________________________ [Dec 18,2007 8:01pm - CNV ""] Fuck_Logging_In_NLI said:I wasn't saying Ron Paul is a racist you are. Its all right to question the policies of countries like Israel and Mexico... and maybe the CONTINENT of Africa...a region made up by lots of different countries and ethnic groups. but in the context you are using its just a thin mask for you racist beliefs and don't get but hurt when some one calls you on it. Nope, I think your full of shit... You would be one of the whiney fucks that calls Pat Buchanan a nazi. I have friends that are of different ethnic backgrounds and most of them agree with the things I am saying.... You talk out your ass and make assumptions... Nice try... |
| ______________________________________________ [Dec 18,2007 8:03pm - Fuck_Logging_In_NLI ""] nice strawman argument. |
| ______________________________ [Dec 18,2007 8:04pm - CNV ""] pam said:Whatever, dude. Brilliant rebuttal Pam, that is just brilliant... I am at a loss for words. Speechless at your skills of debate. You have clearly won. |
| ______________________________ [Dec 18,2007 8:06pm - CNV ""] Fuck_Logging_In_NLI said:nice strawman argument. Is that all you got? Dude, you gotta go back to those Communist gatherings you used to attend and brush up on how to be a jerk off that is divorced from reality... It really is quite sad... |
| _____________________________ [Dec 18,2007 8:31pm - pam ""] CNV said:pam said:Whatever, dude. Brilliant rebuttal Pam, that is just brilliant... I am at a loss for words. Speechless at your skills of debate. You have clearly won. I don't care. At all. |
| _______________________________ [Dec 18,2007 8:36pm - Hoser ""] Shit, I missed my chance!!! Ron Paul is the balls... Finally an American that stands for A.M.E.R.I.C.A. Honestly, check out his record and politics. I think that you'll agree. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 18,2007 8:43pm - Murph nli ""] I wouldn't say you're a racist, per se, but you definitely are bigoted. Ron Paul has a lot of great ideas, especially because he is a Constitutionalist, yet that fact alone means that he has to be even more careful in his approach because the Constitution can be analyzed and utilized depending on the viewpoint (reference Constitutionalist Thomas Jefferson who commandeered the Louisiana Purchase w/out explicitly having that power decreed by the Constitution). I am more in the line with Dennis Kucinich, yet I feel he too is at the mercy of the Constitution (as with his want of strict gun control and outlawing handguns, which is not gonna happen). CNV, I understand man. It is really goddamn cold where you are, so I'd be kinda pissy too. |
| ______________________________ [Dec 18,2007 8:45pm - CNV ""] Jake knows what he's talkin bout... and Pam, you cared enough to post in this thread and now that you have made no valid points and cannot argue with reality "You don't care. At all... " Whatever, dude. |
| ___________________________________________ [Dec 18,2007 8:46pm - watchmaker666nli ""] I am voting for him for one reason, he wants to abolish the IRS = more money for me! Selfish I know but thats the reason |
| ______________________________ [Dec 18,2007 8:48pm - CNV ""] Murph nli said:I wouldn't say you're a racist, per se, but you definitely are bigoted. Ron Paul has a lot of great ideas, especially because he is a Constitutionalist, yet that fact alone means that he has to be even more careful in his approach because the Constitution can be analyzed and utilized depending on the viewpoint (reference Constitutionalist Thomas Jefferson who commandeered the Louisiana Purchase w/out explicitly having that power decreed by the Constitution). I am more in the line with Dennis Kucinich, yet I feel he too is at the mercy of the Constitution (as with his want of strict gun control and outlawing handguns, which is not gonna happen). CNV, I understand man. It is really goddamn cold where you are, so I'd be kinda pissy too. Well Murph, thanks for that bud... In one way or another we are all "bigoted". |
| ______________________________ [Dec 18,2007 10:54pm - SW ""] CNV said:Ron Paul is the only rebel out there... He will take care of the problems the USA has... There's your problem right there. If you think one man is going to come in and make all of America's problems disappear, you are sadly mistaken my friend. You are the one divorced from reality. If you want to vote for him that's great, but don't come on here acting like if we all don't vote for him we're doomed. Because guess what? You said fuck the corporations. Well who do think controls this country no matter who the fuck is president? also please explain to me how saying "jews are rotten to the core" is not a display of bigotry? |
| ____________________________________________ [Dec 18,2007 11:55pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] your vote does not count. |
| ______________________________ [Dec 19,2007 12:19am - ZJD ""] Ron Paul, Libertarianism, and the Freedom to Starve to Death by Sherry Wolf "Politics, like nature, abhors a vacuum," goes the revamped aphorism. Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul's surprising stature among a small but vocal layer of antiwar activists and leftist bloggers appears to bear this out. At the October 27, 2007, antiwar protests in dozens of cities, noticeable contingents of supporters carried his campaign placards and circulated sign-up sheets. The Web site Antiwar.com features a weekly Ron Paul column. Some even dream of a Left-Right gadfly alliance for the 2008 ticket. According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, liberal maverick and Democratic presidential hopeful Dennis Kucinich told supporters in late November he was thinking of making Ron Paul his running mate if he were to get the nomination. No doubt, the hawkish and calculating Hillary Rodham Clinton and flaccid murmurings of Barack Obama, in addition to the uninspiring state of the antiwar movement that backed a prowar candidate in 2004, help fuel the desperation many activists feel. But leftists must unequivocally reject the reactionary libertarianism of this longtime Texas congressman and 1988 Libertarian Party presidential candidate. Ron Paul's own campaign Web site reads like the objectivist rantings of Ayn Rand, one of his theoretical mentors. As with the Atlas Shrugged author's other acolytes, neocon guru Milton Friedman and former Federal Reserve chair Alan Greenspan, Paul argues, "Liberty means free-market capitalism." He opposes "big government" and in the isolationist fashion of the nation's Pat Buchanans, he decries intervention in foreign nation's affairs and believes membership in the United Nations undermines U.S. sovereignty. Naturally, it is not Ron Paul's paeans to the free market that some progressives find so appealing, but his unwavering opposition to the war in Iraq and consistent voting record against all funding for the war. His straightforward speaking style, refusal to accept the financial perks of office, and his repeated calls for repealing the Patriot Act distinguish him from the snakeoil salesmen who populate Congress. Paul is no power-hungry, poll-tested shyster. Though Paul is unlikely to triumph in the primaries, it is worth taking stock not only of his actual positions, but more importantly the libertarian underpinnings that have wooed so many self-described leftists and progressives. Because at its core, the fetishism of individualism that underlies libertarianism leads to the denial of rights to the very people most radicals aim to champion -- workers, immigrants, Blacks, women, gays, and any group that lacks the economic power to impose their individual rights on others. Ron Paul's Positions A cursory look at Paul's positions, beyond his opposition to the war and the Patriot Act, would make any leftist cringe. Put simply, he is a racist. Not the cross-burning, hood-wearing kind to be sure, but the flat Earth society brand that imagines a colorblind world where 500 years of colonial history and slavery are dismissed out of hand and institutional racism and policies under capitalism are imagined away. As his campaign Web site reads: "The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence -- not skin color, gender, or ethnicity." His six-point immigration plan appears to have been cribbed from the gun-toting vigilante Minutemen at the border. "A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked," reads his site. And he advocates cutting off all social services to undocumented immigrants, including hospitals, schools, clinics, and even roads (how would that work?). Though he rants about his commitment to the Constitution, he introduced an amendment altering the Fourteenth Amendment guaranteeing citizenship to anyone born in the United States, saying in a 2006 article: "Birthright citizenship, originating in the 14th amendment, has become a serious cultural and economic dilemma for our nation. . . . We must end the perverse incentives that encourage immigrants to come here illegally, including the anchor baby incentive." Here we come up against the limits of libertarianism -- Paul wants a strong state to secure the borders, but he wants all social welfare expenditures eliminated for those within them. Paul is quite vocal these days about his rank opposition to abortion -- "life begins at conception," he argues. He promotes a "states' rights" position ..ion -- that decades-old hobgoblin of civil rights opponents. And he has long opposed sexual harassment legislation, writing in his 1988 book Freedom Under Siege (available online), "Why don't they quit once the so-called harassment starts?" In keeping with his small government worldview, he goes on to argue against the government's right "to tell an airline it must hire unattractive women if it does not want to." In that same book, written as the AIDS crisis was laying waste to the American gay male population prompting the rise of activist groups demanding research and drugs, Paul attacked AIDS sufferers as "victims of their own lifestyle." And in a statement that gives a glimpse of the ruling-class tyranny of individualism he asserts that AIDS victims demanding rushed drug trials were impinging on "the rights of insurance company owners." Paul also opposes equal pay for equal work, a minimum wage, and, naturally, trade unions. In 2007, he voted against restricting employers' rights to interfere in union drives and against raising the federal minimum wage to $7.25. In 2001, he voted for zero-funding for OSHA's Ergonomics Rules, instead of the $4.5 billion. At least he's consistent. Individualism versus Collectivism There is a scene in Monty Python's satire Life of Brian where Brian, not wanting to be the messiah, calls out to the crowd: "You are all individuals." The crowd responds in unison: "We are all individuals." Libertarians, using pseudo-iconoclastic logic, transform this comical send-up of religious conformity into their own secular dogma in which we are all just atomized beings. "Only an individual has rights," not groups such as workers, Blacks, gays, women, and minorities, Ron Paul argues. True, we are all individuals, but we didn't just bump into one another. Human beings by nature are social beings who live in a collective, a society. Under capitalism, society is broken down into classes in which some individuals -- bosses, for example -- wield considerably more power than others -- workers. To advocate for society to be organized on the basis of strict individualism, as libertarians do, is to argue that everyone has the right to do whatever he or she wants. Sounds nice in the abstract, perhaps. But what happens when the desires of one individual infringe on the desires of another? Libertarians like Paul don't shy away from the logical ramifications of their argument. "The dictatorial power of a majority," he argues, ought to be replaced by the unencumbered power of individuals -- in other words, the dictatorial power of a minority. So if the chairman of Dow Chemical wants to flush his company's toxic effluence into rivers and streams, so be it. If General Motors wants to pay its employees starvation wages, that's their right, too. Right-wing libertarians often appear to not want to grapple with meddlesome things like economic and social power. As the bourgeois radical Abraham Lincoln observed of secessionist slaveowners, "That perfect liberty they sigh for" is "the liberty of making slaves of other people." Too Much Government? Unwavering hostility to government and its collection of taxes is another hallmark of libertarianism. Given the odious practices of governments under capitalism, their repugnant financial priorities, and bilking of the lower classes through taxation, it's hardly surprising that libertarians get a hearing. But the conclusion that the problem is "big government" strips the content from the form. Can any working-class perspective seriously assert that we have too much government involvement in providing health care? Too much oversight of the environment, food production, and workplace safety? Would anyone seriously consider hopping a flight without the certainty of national, in fact international, air traffic control? Of course not. The problem doesn't lie with some abstract construct, "government," the problem is that the actual class dynamics of governments under capitalism amount to taxing workers and the poor in lieu of the rich and powerful corporations and spending those resources on wars, environmental devastation, and the enrichment of a tiny swath of society at the expense of the rest of us. Ron Paul argues, "Government by majority rule has replaced strict protection of the individual from government abuse. Right of property ownership has been replaced with the forced redistribution of wealth and property. . . ." Few folks likely to be reading this article will agree that we actually live in a society where wealth and property are expropriated from the rich and given to workers and the poor. Even the corporate media admit that there has been a wholesale redistribution of wealth in the opposite direction. But Paul exposes here the class nature of libertarianism -- it is the provincial political outlook of the middle-class business owner obsessed with guarding his lot. In fact, the libertarians' opposition to the government, or the state if you will, is less out of hostility to what the state actually does than who is running it. Perhaps this explains Paul's own clear contradiction when it comes to abortion, since his opposition to government intervention stops at a woman's uterus. But freedom for socialists has always been about more than the right to choose masters. Likewise, Paul appears to be for "small government" except when it comes to using its power to restrict immigration. His personal right to not have any undocumented immigrants in the U.S. seems to trump the right of free movement of individuals, but not capital, across borders. Right-wing libertarians, quite simply, oppose the state only insofar as it infringes the right of property owners. Left-Right Alliance? Some antiwar activists and leftists desperate to revitalize a flagging antiwar movement make appeals to the Left to form a Left-Right bloc with Ron Paul supporters. Even environmental activist and left-wing author Joshua Frank, who writes insightful and often scathing attacks on liberal Democrats' capitulations to reactionary policies, recently penned an article citing -- though not endorsing -- Paul's campaign in calling for leftist antiwar activists to reach out to form a sort of Left-Right antiwar alliance. He argues, "Whether we're beer swilling rednecks from Knoxville or mushroom eatin' hippies from Eugene, we need to come together"("Embracing a New Antiwar Movement," 4 December 2007). Supporters of Ron Paul who show up to protests should have their reactionary conclusions challenged, not embraced. Those of his supporters who are wholly ignorant of his broader politics beyond the war should be educated about them. And those who advocate his noxious politics, should be attacked for their racism, immigrant bashing, and hostility to the values a genuine Left champions. The sort of Left-Right alliance Frank advocates is not only opportunistic, but is also a repellent to creating the multiracial working-class movement that is sorely needed if we are to end this war. What Arabs, Blacks, Latinos -- and antiracist whites, for that matter -- would ever join a movement that accommodates to this know-nothing brand of politics? Discontent with the status quo and the drumbeat of electoralism is driving many activists and progressives to seek out political alternatives. But libertarianism is no radical political solution to inequality, violence, and misery. When the likes of Paul shout: "We need freedom to choose!" we need to ask, "Yes, but freedom for whom?" Because the freedom to starve to death is the most dubious freedom of all. |
| ______________________________ [Dec 19,2007 2:08am - CNV ""] SW said:CNV said:Ron Paul is the only rebel out there... He will take care of the problems the USA has... There's your problem right there. If you think one man is going to come in and make all of America's problems disappear, you are sadly mistaken my friend. You are the one divorced from reality. If you want to vote for him that's great, but don't come on here acting like if we all don't vote for him we're doomed. Because guess what? You said fuck the corporations. Well who do think controls this country no matter who the fuck is president? also please explain to me how saying "jews are rotten to the core" is not a display of bigotry? Listen up, your another dipshit putting words in my mouth... There is no such thing as utopia but I will tell you this much, Ron Paul is the only guy in my humble opinion that is addressing the real issues... Maybe he is full of shit... Maybe he will not deliver but at the very least he is exposing the problem... Go blow it out yer ass... I said the jews in Israel are rotten to the core, not all jews... Get it straight. Israel are the cocksuckers that caused the wars, tricked people into dying for them and all this is totally legit under their twisted religion: Judaism... We fund them and they don't do shit in return for us because we (according to them ) are the "gentiles" and are inferior to them.... Here's another tid bit of info sap- Nazism was modeled after judaism... sort of like a negative reaction to what those shit bags were doing to Europe... The wrong reaction nonetheless... Get a clue, read some books, and fuckk off till you and the rest of the chumps on this board have a valid arguement... Love, Uncle Pauly |
| ______________________________ [Dec 19,2007 2:09am - CNV ""] and for ZJD, I will wipe away your weak and biased arguement away as well when I get the chance. |
| ______________________________ [Dec 19,2007 2:43am - CNV ""] I have not read the entire blog of Sherry "feminazi" Wolf... But I think I get the just of it... She is saying that certain people are going to benefit at the expense of others if Ron Paul becomes president. Newsflash! That is how politics works... I do not care who the candidate is- People will benefit at the expense of others.... Every fuckin government benefits at the expense of others... Every single one throughout the history of time... She says Ron paul is racist... Typical. You could say the same thing about the state of Israel... Actually ya really do not have to say it... It's a fact. I bet Sherry is jewish? Would that hold any clout? America has lost it's way and Dr. Paul is the only candidate telling you why... The truth hurts and nowadays tellin the truth is a revolutionary act... Now join the Ron Paul revolution... Hahaha |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 19,2007 3:07am - Y_Ddraig_Goch ""] CNV is right with the whole Israel thing, but guess what, we've been brainwashed into thinking anyone who speaks out about the poor jews is a racist. "6" million jews were killed in ww2.... 10 million christians were killed by Stalin (a jew) in russia right after... but which one is more documented and exploited. You should watch videos on what those nice jews do over in israel to the Palestinians http://youtube.com/watch?v=tW1-_JmXQt0 there's an excellent one that typifies what goes on on a daily basis and for the record, I am not racist at all, just fervently nationalistic for America, and sick of seeing her suffer to the Israeli scourge |
| ______________________________ [Dec 19,2007 3:27am - CNV ""] wow, that video really makes the blood boil... |
| _____________________________________________ [Dec 19,2007 3:43am - infect sli sli sli ""] CNV said:I have not read the entire blog of Sherry "feminazi" Wolf... But I think I get the just of it... She is saying that certain people are going to benefit at the expense of others if Ron Paul becomes president. Newsflash! That is how politics works... I do not care who the candidate is- People will benefit at the expense of others.... This is a fact, politics is a power struggle between self interested parties. the winners consolidate their power and fuck everyone else over 6 ways past tuesday. The libertarian/conservative view of this is that it is natural, inevitable, and therefore "right" somehow. This I cannot agree with. Even in the current state of affairs with all the meddlesome "re-distribution of wealth" (not sure who its being re-distributed to) and other commie mischief that the right loves to lament, one can still clearly see what happens when "individuals" who are actually huge conglomerated corporate interests, are allowed too much "freedom". Without any check on their power (or more importantly their ability to consolidate MORE power) these entities become the oppressive force in society, and everyone else (the working class, the environment, the third world, etc. etc.) gets fucked. Now as for your second very true assertion, Every fuckin government benefits at the expense of others... Every single one throughout the history of time... well yeah, absolute power corrupts absolutely, the problem is that in recent history, corporate interests have become more powerful and therefore able to inflict far more damage on actual individuals than any government ever has. governments of first world industrialized liberal democracies must at least feign the appearance of serving the public interest. free market capitalism works in theory, because there is no accounting for differences in power and influence among "individuals". unfortunately it "works" in practice because the people who get fucked by it get fucked so totally, that they completely lack any of the freedom, power, resources, education, voice, influence, etc. that it would take to change their situation. government has a legitimate purpose within civilization; making sure the big guys don't fuck the little guys too hard. if you want to go back to REAL libertarianism, i.e. the law of nature, I am totally there, but that means that all the CEO's and Investors get stripped of their money and their private security guards and have to come out and compete in the true sense of the word... somehow i dont think they would last too long. what passes for "the fittest" in a capitalist society is pretty far perverted from what it means in nature. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 19,2007 5:38am - SacreligionNLI ""] to CNV and Y ddraig goch: it's funny how you say you have so many problems with israel, seeing as how they wouldn't be a country if it weren't for america post-WW2. do you think it's israel to blame or america's will under the guise of israel? we used the formation of that country to gain a stronger presence in the middle east, and now we're doing the same by reforming the iraqi government and may very well be doing the same to iran. racism |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 19,2007 5:43am - SacreligionNLI ""] also, the africa problem is HUGE in correlation to the state of the world. african countries are in GIGANTIC debt because people came in and manipulated their way into controlling the natural resources of the individual countries of africa(diamonds, gold, silver, oil, you name it). africa is the richest continent in the world when it comes to resources of that nature, but there are constant struggles for power over there because of these resources and the debt that was created by the lust for these things. these problems tie into the affairs of the world, which america is a part of, so obviously it would be in our best interest to help african countries establish themselves so they can maintain stability over their own affairs. THEN we won't have to worry about it anymore. bono at least got SOMETHING right |
| ________________________________ [Dec 19,2007 8:53am - xmikex ""] CNV said: and to everyone else, are you gonna man up and vote for DR. RON "the rebel" Paul or are you gonna slide your pinko commie tampon in?! WOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHOOOOOOOOO!!!! HAHAHA. Can Dr. Ron write me a prescription for Viagra? No questions asked? |
| __________________________________________ [Dec 19,2007 9:03am - largefreakatzero ""] Ron Paul = pro-life = fail. I not only support abortion, I want more abortions. Also, I will have a hard time voting Republican after the 8 year debacle we have all lived through. Unfortunately the fucking Democrats will not come up with an electable candidate (again) and the Republicans will win. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 19,2007 9:10am - SacreligionNLI ""] are there really any electable candidates? they're all groomed and sifted through with a fine-tooth comb until they do the bidding of their respective parties, not necessarily what's good for the country wooo bipartisan! |
| ___________________________________________________ [Dec 19,2007 10:01am - next revolution, please ""] [img] |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 19,2007 10:34am - DestroyYouAlot ""] You guys are debating the merits of brown shit vs. greenish-brown shit. Hang'em all. |
| ___________________________________________ [Dec 19,2007 10:46am - corpus_colostomy ""] Seriously. what makes you think the US government and or the White House will ever put someone into place that will actual make "change." Fact of the matter is that they are all bi-partisan puppets who couldn't give a shit about people like you or I. You can debate all you want, and you can cling to idea that your vote matters like the rest of the lemmings, but fact remains, your vote just doesn't matter! Ever hear of the electoral college? It's called a stacked deck. Beer me... |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 19,2007 11:18am - DestroyYouAlot ""] Also: [img] |
| __________________________________________ [Dec 19,2007 12:07pm - SacreligionNLI ""] corpus_colostomy said:Beer me... and the cycle perpetuates itself |
| _____________________________ [Dec 19,2007 1:45pm - pam ""] largefreakatzero said:Ron Paul = pro-life = fail. I not only support abortion, I want more abortions. Also, I will have a hard time voting Republican after the 8 year debacle we have all lived through. Unfortunately the fucking Democrats will not come up with an electable candidate (again) and the Republicans will win. No shit. Welcome to President Guilianni's America. :pukeface: |
| ______________________________ [Dec 19,2007 1:56pm - CNV ""] largefreakatzero said:Ron Paul = pro-life = fail. I not only support abortion, I want more abortions. Also, I will have a hard time voting Republican after the 8 year debacle we have all lived through. Unfortunately the fucking Democrats will not come up with an electable candidate (again) and the Republicans will win. He might say he is pro life to appease some people but he leaves it up to the state decide if they want abortion legal or not... I too am all for abortion and the sterilization of massachusetts... |
| ______________________________ [Dec 19,2007 2:09pm - CNV ""] SacreligionNLI said:to CNV and Y ddraig goch: it's funny how you say you have so many problems with israel, seeing as how they wouldn't be a country if it weren't for america post-WW2. do you think it's israel to blame or america's will under the guise of israel? we used the formation of that country to gain a stronger presence in the middle east, and now we're doing the same by reforming the iraqi government and may very well be doing the same to iran. racism I have a big chapter from a book called Apocalypse Culture I need to type out for you in regards to why Israel has gotten so much fucking money over the years... Christianity is those sheisty cocksuckers greatest asset ( well that and the nazis )... We are not reforming the Iraqi government, we are making someone's bank account a lot bigger. Do you have any idea how much money certain corporations are profiting off this war under the guise of liberating the Iragi people... Did you watch that video Ygrail posted? Did that family look liberated to you? Hahaha Do you have any idea how much money under the guise of weapons of mass destruction or they hate our freedom and want to kill us or any of the other bullshit lines that worthless piece of shit Bush comes up with? |