I think this needs to be said
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[Jul 7,2004 8:44pm - attendmyrequiem ""]
I'm getting very annoyed lately with everyone in their distinctive scenes. No one gets along anymore and that's why shows aren't doing well. Metal bands shit a fit if they're on the same show at a hardcore band, etc. I remember when I was 15 I would go to shows and there would be hardcore bands and metal bands on the same bill and I would see kids with long hair showing up to hardcore shows and hardcore kids showing up at metal shows. What the fuck happened to that?
Now I see bands on here crying because hardcore/metalcore bands are on their death metal show, etc. I say mix it the fuck up again and maybe shows might start doing decently again.
I don't think i said everything I wanted to, but we're all "underground heavy music".
[Jul 7,2004 8:52pm - dyingmuse ""]
ok
[Jul 7,2004 8:55pm - the_reverend ""]
yes we are.
[Jul 7,2004 8:58pm - Lynneaus ""]
not trying to start any shit... but just curious.... how old are you? i only ask because you made reference to "when i was 15" so i became curious....
cuz in all honesty i know when i was younger... i used to go to shows at the RAT all the time... and hardcore shows were on one day and metal shows on another day.
just curious
[Jul 7,2004 9:55pm - silky ""]
I make it a point to mix up genres whenever I book shows. there's nothing I hate more than watching the same fucking band for four hours.
[Jul 7,2004 10:03pm - moran ""]
attendmyrequiem said:I'm getting very annoyed lately with everyone in their distinctive scenes. No one gets along anymore and that's why shows aren't doing well. Metal bands shit a fit if they're on the same show at a hardcore band, etc. I remember when I was 15 I would go to shows and there would be hardcore bands and metal bands on the same bill and I would see kids with long hair showing up to hardcore shows and hardcore kids showing up at metal shows. What the fuck happened to that?
Now I see bands on here crying because hardcore/metalcore bands are on their death metal show, etc. I say mix it the fuck up again and maybe shows might start doing decently again.
I don't think i said everything I wanted to, but we're all "underground heavy music".
I'm with this guy. I miss Club 121. Every weekend always had a good mix and the place was always packed.
[Jul 7,2004 10:21pm - attendmyrequiem ""]
I'm not very old. I'm 19, but it seems like a fuck load of change has happened in the 4 years I've been going to shows.
[Jul 7,2004 10:25pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""]
Please keep hardcore bands off of Death Metal shows or I will stop going to those shows.
[Jul 7,2004 10:28pm - Dave Maggot ""]
when i was 15 i only went to punk shows.
[Jul 7,2004 10:29pm - attendmyrequiem ""]
AUTOPSY_666 said:Please keep hardcore bands off of Death Metal shows or I will stop going to those shows.
it's that attitude that made me write my post.
[Jul 7,2004 10:33pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""]
I grew up on REAL hardcore (1983 - 1989), the shit now is NOT hardcore.
[Jul 7,2004 10:44pm - attendmyrequiem ""]
AUTOPSY_666 said:I grew up on REAL hardcore (1983 - 1989), the shit now is NOT hardcore.
yet you are calling the new stuff hardcore?
Again, who cares what another band sounds like we're all out supporting "underground heavy music". we should be at least tolerating each other.
I'm just saying a band like Anodyne should be able to share the stage with a band like Anoxia withough having people bitch about two different genres being on the bill or two different types of fans showing up at show.
[Jul 7,2004 10:48pm - nick ""]
i agree, it seems like all the same bands always play together. shows arent even fun anymore.
[Jul 7,2004 10:52pm - snakefist ""]
I think a big problem is a lot of metalcore kids now are kind of prick ass holes, all they want to do is kung fu dance and hold hands with their friends, and only like their friends bands, instead of actually listening to everybody and showing all bands the respect they deserve for even wasting their time playing, they stand in little groups making jokes and showing off new kung fu mosh moves for each other.
[Jul 7,2004 11:29pm - silky ""]
sad, but true.
[Jul 8,2004 12:01am - Josh_hates_you ""]
nothing i haven't said before about putting stupid bands like acacia strain on your metal show to bring a crowd that might not know your band but might like it after they are exposed to it.
i like some metalcore but the harcore/metalcore scenester faggots as snakefist said ruin alot of shows for me.
autopsy666 needs to be aware that hardcore bands in the vain of agnostic front, ssd, negative approach etc. still exist but they get written off as hardcore punk. all these bands that you say are not hardcore are just h/c kids in metal bands IE metalcore
moran, club 121 sucked it was all tough guy bullshit and it was all fsu members or coming correct, punch the clown or some other tough guy bands and crews.
[Jul 8,2004 12:12am - tbone_r ""]
you dont have fun at shows anymore nick because you go to shitty shows.
i have way more fun at hardcore shows than i do at grind shows. i know hardcore 'scenesters' are assholes, but i'd rather 'kung fu mosh' than take my shirt off and throw around my friends while headbanging.
[Jul 8,2004 12:29am - moran ""]
Josh_hates_you said:
moran, club 121 sucked it was all tough guy bullshit and it was all fsu members or coming correct, punch the clown or some other tough guy bands and crews.
I saw some really good shows there and I always had a good time. I never had a problem with anyone there. Yeah, there were some tough guys or whatever, but as long as you kept to yourself and just enjoyed the show, shit wouldn't happen.
[Jul 8,2004 12:31am - honor4death ""]
kung fag moshing is fun to watch, but not when your trying to pay attention to the fucking band playing, because you gotta make sure the fags in the pit arn't gonna come up and hit you in the face because they have nothing better to do then think they know how to fight
[Jul 8,2004 12:35am - Josh_hates_you ""]
honor4death said:kung fag moshing is fun to watch, but not when your trying to pay attention to the fucking band playing, because you gotta make sure the fags in the pit arn't gonna come up and hit you in the face because they have nothing better to do then think they know how to fight
one time i was drunk as fuck watching the drummer of lamb of god and i got 2 feet in the face courtesy of some douche doing a cartwheel. getting 7 fractures in my face was fun.
[Jul 8,2004 12:46am - attendmyrequiem ""]
tbone_r said:you dont have fun at shows anymore nick because you go to shitty shows.
i have way more fun at hardcore shows than i do at grind shows. i know hardcore 'scenesters' are assholes, but i'd rather 'kung fu mosh' than take my shirt off and throw around my friends while headbanging.
remember a few years back kids with long hair danced pretty similar to the way hardcore kids dance. Now the new generation of metal kids started out listening and going to nu-metal shows and just shove each other around. You'd go to a death metal show and people would be brutalizing each other.
[Jul 8,2004 12:47am - Kalopsia ""]
Josh_hates_you said:honor4death said:kung fag moshing is fun to watch, but not when your trying to pay attention to the fucking band playing, because you gotta make sure the fags in the pit arn't gonna come up and hit you in the face because they have nothing better to do then think they know how to fight
one time i was drunk as fuck watching the drummer of lamb of god and i got 2 feet in the face courtesy of some douche doing a cartwheel. getting 7 fractures in my face was fun.
anyone doing cartwheels in mosh pits should die of leprosy immediately afterwards
[Jul 8,2004 12:48am - cdan ""]
THEY started it
[Jul 8,2004 12:50am - mike_fod ""]
snakefist said:I think a big problem is a lot of metalcore kids now are kind of prick ass holes, all they want to do is kung fu dance and hold hands with their friends, and only like their friends bands, instead of actually listening to everybody and showing all bands the respect they deserve for even wasting their time playing, they stand in little groups making jokes and showing off new kung fu mosh moves for each other.
Yeah and death metal kids never danced at Eternal Suffering shows ..... I play in a death metal act, and when I see people dancing it looks way more brutal than some homos crashing into each other doing the slipknotesque "metal mosh". You stand there for bands like Necrophagist or Isis, for their music isn't movable and it's to be experienced visually, not just aurally. Misconceptions and ignorance continue to run rampant.
[Jul 8,2004 1:04am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""]
hmmm
this puts me between a rock and a hard place
I like all music pretty equally, but I agree scene shit is horrendous....i think there should be a lot more tolerance.
but on the OTHER hand I TOTALLY agree that part of what is making hardcore shitty is the fashion and the fucking cliques. This shit around boston is NOT hardcore...hardcore was about friends and meeting new people and exploring differences and voicing distastes. I remember when all the hardcore kids were nerds and we loved it and were socially inept together. Now it's all about knowing kid A and kid B and hanging at the cool spots. I can see why people don't want that to happen to metal.
on the other hand(three hands!) I got turned onto metal because it wasn't a scene that was all fashiony and elitist, too...it was a bunch of slobs and idiots and sometimes all out geniuses. it was the kids who played star wars RPGs and it was great. They all liked lighting cherry bombs or saying mom jokes over and over. And the music was about cool stuff like corpses or politics, and that meant despite the crustiness of it that the music was really poignant.
I book shows with a lot of different styles like Tim does cause I agree, I don't want to hear the same shit all day long. But i can see where people are coming from.
[Jul 8,2004 1:06am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""]
also the dancing thing...I dunnow man, that's a tough call. Dancing is like a form of expression, and I used to get mad about it but I feel like I'm censoring people if I do. Plus it's kinda fun to whirl around and do spin kicks.
However, I was watching the Hellfest 2K DVD today and man a lot of those kids just come off as toolbags.
I like pigpiles, group sing alongs, stage dives, and stuff like that.
[Jul 8,2004 2:29am - Terence ""]
I was about to reply, but i figured it wasnt worth it. Just to go to the show with the bands that you like. There, end of story.
[Jul 8,2004 7:34am - Kalopsia ""]
hardcore doesn't really piss me off so much as the individuals who do it. to me, moshing, hardcore dancing, whatever the hell u wanna call it, is about PEOPLE dancing together, not just one person. i fucking hate it when some hardcore fag tries to clear everyone away from the circle so that he can start flinging his arms all by himself, trying to get all eyes on him. no one should be there to try to make themselves the center of attention.
then of course there's the shitbags that are standing at the wall of the pit, start punching in the air, and finish it by doing a spinkick into the people right next to him. they're simply asking for a fight.
when you go into a moshpit, u know the dangers of it, and you know there's a chance you could end up taking a fist to the eye, but it should never be intentional.
[Jul 8,2004 9:24am - bojern ""]
i think the only center of attn, should be the band playing! thats why your there, to meet up with friends and watch a show...not to kick kids in the face.
[Jul 8,2004 9:48am - Joe/NotCommon ""]
I remember the mixed show, where only hardcore kids would show up, and not even pay any attention to the metal bands. No metal kids went to those because hardcore kids act so gay that it ruins the fun of it all.
I personally refuse to book hardcore bands and I will do my best to avoid any mixed shows someone else might book.
The 'metal scene' has only gotten stronger since those mixed shows have stopped and if those were to start happening again the metal scene would get banned from all the boston clubs just like hardcore has, because of hardcore kids doing the same gay shit at the metal shows as they do at the hardcore shows. And do not even try to argue this with me, I know for a fact that Obriens, The Chopping Block, the Middle East, Bill's Bar, the Linwood, The Skybar, Club Goodtimes, and PA's lounge will NOT book hardcore. If metal bands want to play mixed shows with lame hardcore bands who draw lame fans that won't even like the metal bands, just to help themselves get banned from Boston, then that is their perogative.
[Jul 8,2004 9:51am - RustedAngel ""]
Bobby Brown "My Prerogative"
(Chorus)
Everybody's talking all this stuff about me
Why don't they just let me live?
I don't need commission, make my own decisions
That's my prerogative
They say I'm crazy
I really don't care
That's my prerogative
They say I'm nasty
But I don't give a damn
Getting girls is how I live
Some messy questions
Why am I so real?
But they don't undersand me
I really don't know the deal about her brother
Trying hard to make it right
Not long ago
Before I win this fight
Sing!
(Chorus)
Everybody's talking all this stuff about me
Why don't they just let me live?
<Tell me why> I don't need commission
Make my own decisions
That's my prerogative
It's my prerogative <It's my prerogative>
It's the way that I wanna live <It's my prerogative>
I can do just what I feel <It's my prerogative>
No one can tell me what to do <It's my prerogative>
'Cause what I'm doing, I'm doing for you
Don't get me wrong
I'm really not souped
Ego trips is not my thing
All these strange relationships really gets me down
I see nothing wrong in spreading myself around
Sing!
(Chorus)
I can do what I wanna do <It's my prerogative>
I can live my life <It's my prerogative>
And I'm doing it just for you <It's my prerogative>
Tell me, tell me
Why can't I live my life <Live my life>
Without all of the things that people say, oh...
(Bridge)
Yo, teddy kick it like this
Oh, no, no..., I can do what I wanna do
Me and you together, together, together, together, together
(Chorus/Vamp Out)
[Jul 8,2004 10:21am - Abbath ""]
i think we should have a RTTP fest, all types of bands post on here, we could draw in a huge number of people and expose them to all types of music, maybe kick start it again
[Jul 8,2004 11:14am - snakefist ""]
attendmyrequiem said:tbone_r said:
remember a few years back kids with long hair danced pretty similar to the way hardcore kids dance. Now the new generation of metal kids started out listening and going to nu-metal shows and just shove each other around. You'd go to a death metal show and people would be brutalizing each other.
yeah, but at death metal shows it was all random, one step away from fist fight brutality, not organized and copied dance moves that if you dont emulate correctly you're not cool
this goes to the other fucking douche bag talking about how he likes danceing at death metal to, id rather see a bunch of guys brutaly beating each other than watch some queers in tight pants and adidas shoes masterbate as they watch their buddies prance through an empty pit and maybe throw some girly punches and a ballerina pirouette.
[Jul 8,2004 11:16am - tbone_r ""]
i'd go
[Jul 8,2004 11:26am - snakefist ""]
one last thing, nobody should fucking talk about trendiness in either scene, because hardcore, or metalcore, or whatever the fuck you want to call it is as trendy as new metal ever was, ive seen tons of kids go from limp bizkit clone bands to unearth clone bands in the past couple of years, all they did was stop wearing baggy pants and buy a bunch of nora t-shirts at hot topic and now they're part of the totally cool, and original thinking hardcore kids who think for xthemselves and dont listen to anybody elsex.
well anyway, fuck everything, heres what we really need to remember.
the stormtroopers of fucking death.
united forces
It doesn't matters how you wear your hair
It's what inside your head
United Forces stand for all strong and fair
Black, white and yellow and red
CHORUS-
UNITED (forces) UNITED (forces) UNITED
UNITED (forces) UNITED (forces) UNITED
Skinheads and bangers and punks stand as one
Crossover to a final scene
United Forces and their job won't be done
Until the world can see
CHORUS
No rednecks, no jocks, no macho bullshit attitudes
United Forces can't be stopped-REPEAT TWO TIMES
[Jul 8,2004 11:30am - RustedAngel ""]
Abbath said:i think we should have a RTTP fest, all types of bands post on here, we could draw in a huge number of people and expose them to all types of music, maybe kick start it again
there was already an RTTP 6th anniversary fest at UNH in sept 2002...
maybe there will be an 8th anniversary show this year, aaron?
[Jul 8,2004 11:36am - the_reverend ""]
yes, there should...
let me work on that...
[Jul 8,2004 11:42am - RustedAngel ""]
definetly no HSM reunion... but porphyria will tear it up definetly.
[Jul 8,2004 11:49am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""]
i think if you really believe the hardcore ethos you shouldn't end up being "cool"
there's never been anything cool about being original or different. Everyone that's embodied those traits throughout history has become an outcast at best. When many of the early HC bands wrote the songs they did they got beat up or made fun of. Hell, the Descendents were real nerds writing about getting called names.
so let that be a lesson: being yourself will never be popular, but it's more important you do that than follow the trend and pretend you're being original, because posthumously you'll get the respect you deserve. Even though you'll be dead.
[Jul 8,2004 11:49am - iamwiggins ""]
DWW will play...4/5 of us go to UNH. duhhh
[Jul 8,2004 11:56am - Josh_hates_you ""]
snakefist said: well anyway, fuck everything, heres what we really need to remember.
the stormtroopers of fucking death.
who caught my S.O.D. reference on the celtic frost thread?
[Jul 8,2004 12:04pm - blue ""]
i vote for an 8 year show as well. oh yeah. scenes are ghey.
[Jul 8,2004 12:13pm - attendmyrequiem ""]
I would definitely be begging for a ride up to NH if this show happens.
I also would like to add throw Fall of Decripitude onto that bill if happens.
[Jul 8,2004 12:25pm - attendmyrequiem ""]
Joe/NotCommon said:I remember the mixed show, where only hardcore kids would show up, and not even pay any attention to the metal bands. No metal kids went to those because hardcore kids act so gay that it ruins the fun of it all.
I personally refuse to book hardcore bands and I will do my best to avoid any mixed shows someone else might book.
The 'metal scene' has only gotten stronger since those mixed shows have stopped and if those were to start happening again the metal scene would get banned from all the boston clubs just like hardcore has, because of hardcore kids doing the same gay shit at the metal shows as they do at the hardcore shows. And do not even try to argue this with me, I know for a fact that Obriens, The Chopping Block, the Middle East, Bill's Bar, the Linwood, The Skybar, Club Goodtimes, and PA's lounge will NOT book hardcore. If metal bands want to play mixed shows with lame hardcore bands who draw lame fans that won't even like the metal bands, just to help themselves get banned from Boston, then that is their perogative.
I saw burnt by the sun with soilent green and goratory. there were no problems there. I saw hatebreed back in the day with shadows fall. Yeah, the fans for hatebreed went nuts. fists were everywhere. I didn't see people crying. Everyone was going to shows and blowing off their agression. I'm not saying throw XXXBLACK MY HEARTXXXX onto a metal show because you know their fans will come be fucking assholes. But if you threw on a band like Within the Fray from NH or hell even Cutthroat from the SS or Drawblood or Life In Seconds onto a show there would be no problem at all. and I don't mean you as is in joenotcommon. I mean it as in everyone who's into music. I just happen to be replying to your post.
And I'm not sure about all those clubs, but I was at pretty much every bill's bar show until they stopped. It was more of the venues fault for allowing this bullshit to happen and not kicking kids out for being complete douchebags. If some dude is running around and punching people in the face security should have at least been like "do it again you're out" to him, but that didn't even happen. for the most part the security at bills is fsu and thought all of that shit was funny or normal. and of course with today's hardcore kids when one kid does it they all jump on the band wagon and the next thing you know 20 of them are doing it. finally it was causing problems and that shit had to stop because of a law suit. when if the security simply broke up the fights instead of watching them and made actual consequences for such actions I don' think the hardcore shows would have gotten shutdown.
BUt if throwing bands that don't cause problems onto a show happens it gives more bands shows and creates more diverse fans. Hell that's why I think I like pretty much every genre of music. And that's definitely not a bad thing to have an open mind musically.
[Jul 8,2004 12:35pm - attendmyrequiem ""]
bojern said:i think the only center of attn, should be the band playing! thats why your there, to meet up with friends and watch a show...not to kick kids in the face.
I can name plenty of bands hardcore and metal that get discouraged when there isn't crowd movement. I know a ton of bands who feel taht the kids out in the pit are showing their respect for the band's music and it makes the band feel happy.
I also know metalcore bands that think dancing is gay and don't want that shit happening when they play.
it all depends on the band. I say if the bands telling the place to move do it the fuck up and if they are trying to get kids to stop dancing... then cut it out. it's pretty simple.
[Jul 8,2004 12:36pm - Joe/NotCommon ""]
Then start booking mixed shows, I for one will never do it. On top of hating the attitude of modern hardcore, I also hate the way it sounds.
I have no idea who those bands are you think people should put onto metal shows. I've booked bands who blend metal and hardcore together, but wouldn't necesarilly call metalcore. If those bands are good then they can send me music just like all the other bands who want to play shows I book.
And as far as going to a concert over a show, burnt by the sun would be playing in a larger place that moshing wouldn't be a problem at because people who don't like it can stay in the back or to the side or whatever.
If you mosh at a show however, it's rather unavoidable, especially with hardcore fans.
I don't care if I am coming across as an asshole, hardcore is lame every single way you look at it and I don't care who knows that I know.
[Jul 8,2004 12:44pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""]
hey joe - I think you went to school with my ex/current girlfriend
in holbrook
or at least she's seen you around town
[Jul 8,2004 1:02pm - woodsicus ""]
Not every Hardcore kid is an asshole though, and that's what sometimes spouts this stupid argument of metal vs hardcore.
[Jul 8,2004 1:44pm - tbone_r ""]
go to a 'punk-core' show like cbk, with honor, give up the ghost, bane etc... and there aren't nearly as many assholes. it's a lot of singalongs and stage diving.
it's when you go to tough-guy hardcore shows like dbd, botn, or since the flood that you see a lot people getting punched in the face.
[Jul 8,2004 2:00pm - moran ""]
It can work, it has work, if don't like the bands on the bill, don't go. And in the immortal words of Rick Ta Life:
Strenght Through Unity. The Spirit Remains. Strength. Through. Strengh Through Unity. So you think this is about you. It's about every kid. Every band, every show. Do your best to support the scene. Acceptance holds the keys. That'll make it grow. Everybody.