| Now Find a show to go to! May 1 (Fri) - KORPIKLAANI, ELUVEITIE, PRIMORDIAL, MOONSORROW, BLACKGUARD, SWASHBUCKLE - the Palladium (Worcester, MA) Paganfest![views:28747][posts:135]the Palladium (Worcester, MA) - [blackguard][korpiklaani][moonsorrow][primordial][randomshots][swashbuckle] [show listing] _______________________________________ [May 2,2009 2:08am - kevinthesprigg ""] Primordial fucking killed it. I'd love to see them headline in a much smaller venue...middle east upstairs or something. |
| _____________________________________ [May 2,2009 2:39am - the_reverend ""] and apparently the singer wanted to tell us that he loved us... |
| _____________________________________________ [May 2,2009 2:40am - Stabby_McGunnakillya ""] Very good show. Primordial blew me away. I'll probably be on a Primordial kick for the next week or so. |
| _______________________________ [May 2,2009 3:08am - beleth ""] Primordial was the biggest deal. I've been waiting 6 years or so to see Moonsorrow and Primordial made them look so mediocre tonight. The Blood Axis intro had me going before they even started playing. |
| _____________________________________ [May 2,2009 3:17am - the_reverend ""] pictures uploading. |
| _______________________________________ [May 2,2009 4:12am - DestroyYouAlot ""] MY FUCKING HEAD AND NECK AND LIVER |
| ______________________________________ [May 2,2009 10:23am - the_reverend ""] someone in the office said "blablahblah dungeons and dragons" and then I saw you pop up from downstairs during primordial. ahaha. |
| ______________________________________ [May 2,2009 10:23am - the_reverend ""] u was summoned |
| _________________________________________ [May 2,2009 10:34am - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] The crowd photos have resulted in many a lulz |
| _________________________________________ [May 2,2009 10:38am - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] Although I nearly pissed my pants laughing at Korpiklaani's bassist who looks like a younger, way more into molesting kids, David the Gnome |
| ___________________________________ [May 2,2009 11:38am - dreadkill ""] finally getting to see primordial was the highlight of the night for me. definitely one of the best performances i've ever seen. |
| ___________________________________ [May 2,2009 11:39am - dreadkill ""] BobNOMAAMRooney said:Although I nearly pissed my pants laughing at Korpiklaani's bassist who looks like a younger, way more into molesting kids, David the Gnome xmikex said:[img] DAVID THE GNOME OR YOU'RE A PUSSY! |
| ___________________________________ [May 2,2009 11:41am - dreadkill ""] i thought the bass player from korpiklaani was hilarious. he was a fubsy, smiling old guy. i also got a good laugh at the guitarist with the richie sambora hat and matching vest. he wears that in all their promo photos and hasn't realized he looks like a goobis yet. |
| _____________________________________ [May 2,2009 11:45am - darkwornli ""] Moonsorrow sounded AMAZING. I was standing about 20 feet from the stage. Primordial was godly. What a show. I haven't been this excited for a show in a long time and I was blown away. We left after Primordial -- how can you even play after that. |
| ______________________________________________ [May 2,2009 12:03pm - Stabby_McGunnakillya ""] Primordial absolutly should have headlined. The weight of their performance was such that it doesn't feel right to have it followed by spritely drinking music. |
| ________________________________________ [May 2,2009 12:11pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] the_reverend said:someone in the office said "blablahblah dungeons and dragons" and then I saw you pop up from downstairs during primordial. ahaha. the_reverend said:u was summoned Wow, that's like a 4th level spell. My text to darkwordrummer during Blackguard: It's like Children of Bodom with World of Warcraft. |
| ________________________________________ [May 2,2009 3:00pm - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] Every photo from this show is unintentional comedy gold. |
| _____________________________________ [May 2,2009 3:15pm - the_reverend ""] BobNOMAAMRooney said:Every photo from this show is intentional comedy gold. fixed |
| __________________________________________ [May 2,2009 3:27pm - MikeofDecrepitude ""] Very =*(*** that I missed Primordial. |
| ____________________________________ [May 2,2009 3:51pm - ouchdrummer ""] the_reverend said: "BobNOMAAMRooney said:Every photo from this show is intentional comedy gold. fixed" In all honesty rev, your pics always look great, and we're all really lucky to have you around. |
| ______________________________________ [May 2,2009 4:07pm - thuringwethil ""] i agree my likeys? Moonsorrow and Korpiklaani. sorry, I didn't like Primordial so much. |
| _____________________________________ [May 2,2009 9:40pm - darkenedsoul ""] Thought it was a great show overall. Swashbuckle was funny with the pirate outfits...some good thrash moments. Blackguard seemed to be a bit hesitant seeing they were looking for feedback from their first US tour. But ok otherwise. Moonsorrow and Primordial were main reasons going and it was well worth it! Korpiklaani I had heard of but not heard. Was entertaining to say the least. Now to catch Finntroll next time they come through the area as I missed them last year...Still good to see everyone and Dan was getting trashed (SOB Dan...). Haha, and good to see Dave and Jan and Terry as well again. |
| ______________________________________ [May 2,2009 9:46pm - aaron_michael ""] The drummer from Swashbuckle's sister hates us. |
| __________________________________ [May 2,2009 10:09pm - archaeon ""] ouchdrummer said:the_reverend said: "BobNOMAAMRooney said:Every photo from this show is intentional comedy gold. fixed" In all honesty rev, your pics always look great, and we're all really lucky to have you around. lol no |
| __________________________________ [May 2,2009 11:55pm - amazing ""] was a epic show the korpiklaani pits were fun as shit :P and everyone else was just amazing really enjoyed the circle pit during blackguard one of the best shows i have been to lately |
| _______________________________________ [May 3,2009 12:47am - boblovesmusic ""] This picture makes me lol! [img] |
| _______________________________________ [May 3,2009 12:48am - boblovesmusic ""] ouchdrummer said: In all honesty rev, your pics always look great, and we're all really lucky to have you around. Amen! |
| _________________________________ [May 3,2009 10:22pm - Reivas ""] The guitarist is actually right on top of me in that picture, it was great, but a little wierd because I wanted to headbang/watch him play but didn't want to screw him up... |
| ___________________________________ [May 3,2009 11:20pm - dyingmuse ""] I had a great time at this show! I don't remember much besides the fact that I had way too many shots of Patron and ended up on the third floor of Irish Times on the dance floor ripping up the rug. I don't know how I got home, and I slept through the Opeth show the next night. WOO!!!!!! |
| _________________________________ [May 4,2009 1:37am - Samantha ""] dyingmuse said:I had a great time at this show! I don't remember much besides the fact that I had way too many shots of Patron and ended up on the third floor of Irish Times on the dance floor ripping up the rug. I don't know how I got home, and I slept through the Opeth show the next night. WOO!!!!!! You went to Irish Times after the show? I don't remember seeing you there. LOL! The club upstairs is called "Rehab". So... technically, you were so drunk that you went to Rehab. |
| _____________________________ [May 4,2009 7:23am - Yeti ""] Moonsorrow owned this show. Primordial was a close second, the only problem was the sound. typical Palladium mud. i don't think i've ever seen a more passionate performance than the lead singer of Primordial, i swear during one of the songs he had a few tears in his eyes. it was probably sweat, but it added so much to the song. they were great. if only this wasn't at the Palladium. Blackguard was pretty good, though they need to stop trying to sound like Finntroll. |
| _____________________________ [May 4,2009 7:26am - Yeti ""] i had never seen an image of Moonsorrow before this show, the lead singer looks exactly like what i imagined. |
| _____________________________ [May 4,2009 7:27am - Yeti ""] beleth said:Primordial was the biggest deal. I've been waiting 6 years or so to see Moonsorrow and Primordial made them look so mediocre tonight. The Blood Axis intro had me going before they even started playing. i think your sunglasses gave me AIDS. |
| ____________________________________ [May 4,2009 10:12am - arilliusbm ""] I've decided to make a post about my disappointment with this show. This may have been my last palladium show ever, and I'm still up-in-arms over this "paganfest" - there was nothing Pagan about it and the crowd just made me sick. 1.) Swashbuckle -Did not belong on this show. This is a "PaganFest," not a fucking pirate fest. It was more like Butt Pirates. This band is lame, should not have been on this show, and should not even exist. Musically they're ok for what they are, but stay the fuck out of paganfest. You were a disgrace to this show, and your fucking fans are a bunch of limp-dicked 15 year olds who went to iParty to buy pirate costumes before the show. 2.)Blackguard -perhaps my biggest complaint of the night. Number one, who the fuck does a circle pit at a "PAGANFEST" show? WHO THE FUCK DOES A WALL OF DEATH? There is nothing pagan about it; go back to Canada you fucking pricks and don't ever play in the states again. You don't bring a fucking circle pit to a paganfest. -I think the crowd shares some of the blame on this one; fucking idiots who don't even know what real pagan music is about. Get the fuck out of there and go to Lamb of God if you want a fucking circle pit. What a disgrace. 3.) Moonsorrow. Disappointing. I saw them in Minnesota last November and that set was waaaay better than what they played at the show Friday. The crowd was not really into them as much as the other bands, which was understandable given the kind of people that went to this show. Definitely a breath of fresh air after the previous bands. Still, a disappointment compared to when I've previously seen them. By the end of Moonsorrow, I was just anticipating Primordial, whom I've been dying to see in the states for years. 4.) Primordial - performance of the night... but still, DISAPPOINTING. not the band per se, not the song selection, not the short set they played, but the sound. For a guitar and vocal driven band, they had the bass drum way too fucking loud and the bass guitar loud as well. The end result? Mud. Fuzz. This was by far the most "mature" band that played the night, the most promising, and I would like to see them headline their own show at some point. I'm hoping Primordial showed 98% of the fans there what real metal is about. I can't complain enough about how bad the sound was for them. 5.)Korpiklaani. Fuck this band. Interesting, but emotionless. Every song on the past 3 albums sounds remotely the same, and they should not have headlined this show. The kids came out of the shadows and back into the pit for this band. Fucking idiots. The only thing remotely interesting about this band is they are good background noise while drinking. I ended up leaving after a song or two and sat out in the parking lot talking to Beleth the whole time. This was an absolute disgrace to a paganfest, considering Moonsorrow and Primordial played. They were the best bands. But this show did not give any Pagan vibe at all, let alone a good metal show vibe. The palladium is a disgrace, as is the neo-fans that flock there, and the scumbags in the local scene (not all). This is a sad moment in boston metal, so you guys can go fuck yourselves. See you on the flip-side, Aril |
| ___________________________________ [May 4,2009 10:27am - dreadkill ""] i understand what you're saying. some people seem to equate folk metal with pagan music. i guess the question would be what makes music pagan? is it the style and sound of the music, or does the band just have to maintain pagan beliefs? |
| ___________________________________ [May 4,2009 10:28am - dreadkill ""] some folk metal could be considered pagan metal, but not all pagan metal is folk metal and i think a lot of people have it mixed up. |
| ______________________________ [May 4,2009 10:33am - Yeti ""] Jim, i back you on just about all of that. i can't say Moonsorrow was disappointing, but i would love to see them somewhere else with a much longer set. though i have absolutely stopped giving a shit about any crowd at any show, i just go to shows to see the bands, crowds don't exist. |
| ____________________________________ [May 4,2009 10:35am - arilliusbm ""] The only reason why i complained about the crowds is because collectively they represent the state of metal today. And it saddens me how different the crowds are in other parts of the country and even other counties than they are in New England. I go to shows for myself as well, but I can tell you the palladium disappoints every time. It has a horrible atmosphere now - sound-wise, and crowd-wise. |
| ______________________________ [May 4,2009 10:38am - Yeti ""] i totally agree, i just can't think about it anymore. it would end up ruining every show for me. i used to like the Palladium, they've never had good sound, but it was a cool place. now i hope every tour bypasses and goes to the good venues around here, like Lupo's and House of Blues. |
| ____________________________________ [May 4,2009 10:44am - arilliusbm ""] The term Pagan is widely misunderstood in every aspect of the word. A more suitable word for this show would have been "Heathen" or something along those lines. It would be a Paganfest if bands like Menhir or Empyrium played and it was outdoors, while we all cooked meat over open flame. But alas, this will never happen here in New England. |
| ___________________________________ [May 4,2009 10:47am - dreadkill ""] a show like that could happen here if likeminded people organized it. there'd be no menhir or empyrium, but lesser known and local pagan bands would probably play. |
| ___________________________________________ [May 4,2009 10:48am - MikeofdecrepitudE ""] arilliusbm said:It would be a Paganfest if bands like Menhir or Empyrium played and it was outdoors, while we all cooked meat over open flame. But alas, this will never happen here in New England. Now you've got the right idea. Seeing Empyrium playing in the woods of Germany would be almost ceremonial. |
| ____________________________________ [May 4,2009 10:53am - arilliusbm ""] That would be probably one of the most profound experiences in my life if there was a show like that. Menhir, if offered, would probably do one show in the states. They definitely can't tour here because they have label problems and have little-to-no fanbase. Which is sad, because they are perhaps one of the best pagan bands out there. I'm just saddened how most decent shows somehow land in the Palladium, and how the crowd has changed drastically over the years. I can understand the people that don't care about it; but honestly, I think shows are 3 aspects: the music, the stage prescence of the band, and lastly the crowd. A show wouldn't be a show without a crowd. And when the crowd sucks, the atmosphere sucks. When the atmosphere sucks, the show isn't as enjoyable. I listen to the music and just the music, but when I feel a constant negative energy coming from the crowd, it pisses me off. These bands deserve better. These bands deserve a better venue and New England needs better metal fans. |
| _______________________________________ [May 4,2009 11:03am - boblovesmusic ""] arilliusbm said:It would be a Paganfest if bands like Menhir or Empyrium played and it was outdoors, while we all cooked meat over open flame. But alas, this will never happen here in New England. dreadkill said:a show like that could happen here if likeminded people organized it. there'd be no menhir or empyrium, but lesser known and local pagan bands would probably play. Let's do it! We could get Vaettir and Cold Northern Vengeance (don't know if they're pagan enough, but they were two bands that came to mine) to play. Hekseri could reunite for this show. Then invite a couple out of New England bands to play. There's a band called Oakhelm out of Portland that plays some pagan-themed metal. Have this thing outside at some campground (that has power obviously), cook up some meat, and have some other activities! That would be awesome. |
| _______________________________________ [May 4,2009 11:06am - boblovesmusic ""] Just a thought! |
| ____________________________________ [May 4,2009 11:15am - arilliusbm ""] dear boblovesmusic: CNV would probably do it, but you'd have to ask them. They aren't really "pagan" - more alligned with occult stuff, but it would work nonetheless. My band (Herugrim) is Heathen/Pagan themed and we'd love to do it. We also have Hekseri's old drummer, so I'm not sure what the status is with Hekseri. Oakhelm is great, I saw them live in MN as well and they weren't too shabby. The last local outdoor fest I went to was the Coos Country Fest in 2005 or 2006 that the dude "troll" put on. It was up in Berlin, NH and was a great time. |
| _______________________________________ [May 4,2009 11:40am - thuringwethil ""] yeah Coos County Fest was fun! I was the bug spray MESSIAH! Hekseri playing this would be great, but it's a logistical matter for a certain time window this summer when Megan and I will be recording new songs in Boston. Feel free to PM me about it, though, and I'll talk w/Megan. I'd love to see this fest happen at any rate! |
| _______________________________________ [May 4,2009 11:44am - boblovesmusic ""] I'd love to try and set this up (even if it's only just like four or five bands), but I have little to no experience booking or organizing shows. So if someone would give me a hand, that would be awesome! Mid to late July maybe? Is that dude "troll" still around so I could talk to him? Does it matter that I'm not really pagan myself, but the idea of this sounds awesome? hehe |
| _________________________________ [May 4,2009 11:54am - darkwor ""] I can't help thinking that with the bands on this bill, it attracted (like DYA said) the Children of Bodom/World of Warcraft/"holy crap folk instruments and fun metal" kids. Primordial and Moonsorrow were the only legitimate important bands in my correct opinion, and I can say that standing right down in front, there were a lot of people there specifically to see them and shared my sentiments about them - people went ballistic when Primordial ran out. I didn't care about the rest of the crowd, I knew there would be a lot of -- I dunno, geeks, kids, people just there to drink/see a show/fondle boobs. That is why I totally avoided the bands I had absolutely no care for, and made sure I didn't miss the great ones. That being said, standing up front, Moonsorrow sounded exceptional to me; the best band I've ever heard at the Palladium (not saying much), I could hear every nuance of all their instruments. It probably has something to do with how sprawling slow and perfectly rhythmic the band actually is. But I could hear every note, the drums sounded so much bigger than they were - perfectly fitting for Moonsorrow. It was great to hear everyone around me sing. Primordial could have sounded better - they used the same drum setup as Moonsorrow and the double bass was too overpowering, I think it has much to do with how much FASTER Primordial plays live - they played some parts almost twice as fast as the recordings, as if they had to fit the songs in. Whereas Moonsorrow breaking away into their black metal runs seemed so much more effective, more devastating. Of course, this whole "Paganfest" namesake is just to make some money. Primordial showing in their message and ethic more of a "heathen" vibe, and Moonsorrow - I know they sing about runes and northern stories but honestly I haven't taken the time to read beyond the Finnish. I know Korpikklani has a paean to a Finnish god of the drink, so of course they headline something called Paganfest. I agree Aril and I feel your pain about the crowd - but there's nothing to be done about it except to keep going to good shows and supporting the bands that make a difference. I've only been listening to Primordial for about a year and it's like I was shown what true art is all over again. Moonsorrow and Primordial need to play their own show in a place more suited to them, like, I don't know, a remote outside area. I know that I'll see those bands again in the future so I'm not worried. |
| _________________________________ [May 4,2009 11:56am - darkwor ""] I will add that Primordial and Moonsorrow looked like they were having a blast on stage and I know this won't be the last time they play a show around here. |