RI atheist teen gets prayer taken down from school[views:21439][posts:161]______________________________ [Jan 27,2012 7:36am - Yeti ""] http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46160046/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times/ local yokels get butthurt. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 8:19am - DestroyYouAlot ""] DEY TERKA PREYR |
| _______________________________ [Jan 27,2012 1:19pm - yummy ""] Except for "Our Heavenly Father" and maybe(but I would disagree with) "amen" this has no Catholic faith basis and excludes it from being a religious prayer because it's not an excerpt found in any bible and promotes equality, not a plea to a higher power. We could've saved a lot of money had someone gone down to a hardware store, bought some duct tape, and covered "Our Heavenly Father"/"amen". I find those florist businesses are being thrown under the bus. Think about it, small business where the delivery driver makes shit for wages. Now, they have to worry about getting harassed from this foundation in Wisconsin and others because they made a personal business decision. The same rights this group helped this girl fight for are being stripped from these small businesses and casting them out as being bible thumpers. I think this girl puts more in the way of her own cause. Jessica said she had stopped believing in God when she was in elementary school and her mother fell ill for a time. She says, “I had always been told that if you pray, God will always be there when you need him,” she said. “And it didn’t happen for me, and I doubted it had happened for anybody else. So yeah, I think that was just like the last step, and after that I just really didn’t believe any of it.” That is really pathetic on way too many levels. Her mom eventually got better... |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 1:25pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] ^ Actions have consequences in a free society. If the florists were to refuse service to Christian funerals, I'm betting they'd lose a buck or two. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 1:26pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] And this would be their own choice to make. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 1:28pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] However, they caved to community pressure. You can't have it both ways. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 1:30pm - black folks ""] Brittany Lanni, who graduated from Cranston West in 2009, said that no one had ever been forced to recite the prayer and called Jessica “an idiot.” “If you don’t believe in that,” she said, “take all the money out of your pocket, because every dollar bill says, ‘In God We Trust.’” pretty much. this "prayer" is about as inoffensive as it gets. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 1:34pm - largefreakatzero ""] More imoportantly, where can I find nudes? |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 1:38pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] largefreakatzero said:More imoportantly, where can I find nudes? MODS ARE ASLEEP, POST CP [img] |
| ________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 1:44pm - burnsy ""] Pretty ridiculous. I agree with yummy except for the florist part. On that, I agree with DYA. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 1:47pm - Josh_Martin ""] It said "school prayer" right at the top in big letters. Ovens. no jew zombies in my schools |
| ______________________________ [Jan 27,2012 1:58pm - ark ""] 1) that is the most secular prayer i've ever seen. 2) do i have to be a militant atheist to get $13,000 |
| __________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 2:13pm - posbleak ""] What happened to the good old days of sneaking in and spraypainting pentagrams over this kind of shit |
| ___________________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 2:14pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] that ship has sailed |
| _____________________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 2:21pm - gravesideservice666 ""] GRAVESIDESERVICE IS TRYING TO GET ON A TOTAL SUPPORT SHOW FOR THIS GIRL BECAUSE SOME FRIENDS OF OURS KNOW HER PRETTY WELL AND OUR ENTIRE MESSAGE IS ANTI CHRISTIAN, ANTI RELIGION. |
| ______________________________ [Jan 27,2012 2:21pm - Lamp ""] Imagine if all the money that had been spent on lawsuits over this crap had actually been used to further someone's education. |
| ______________________________ [Jan 27,2012 2:22pm - Lamp ""] PS: Cool professional picture taken at Garden City, bro. Your one stop shop for old lady clothing and other really boring shit straight out of Cranston |
| _______________________________ [Jan 27,2012 2:31pm - yummy ""] 'This country was founded to be a secular country. We’re supposed to keep church and state separate so people can have their rights and their freedom to choose. And I think that this lawsuit is a reflection of that.' So, somehow this banner being at the school stripped her of her freedom to choose and made her feel left out. She had the freedom to feel secluded so she did. Join a fucking pottery class. I totally agree with you DYA. Obviously, those shops live with the consequences of their decisions. But, the group described in Wisconsin doesn't care about anybody's freedoms but their own. Now I feel left out because I want my $13,000 check for being an athiest. |
| _______________________________ [Jan 27,2012 2:37pm - yummy ""] gravesideservice666 said:GRAVESIDESERVICE IS TRYING TO GET ON A TOTAL SUPPORT SHOW FOR THIS GIRL BECAUSE SOME FRIENDS OF OURS KNOW HER PRETTY WELL AND OUR ENTIRE MESSAGE IS ANTI CHRISTIAN, ANTI RELIGION. Isn't anti-christian a religion? |
| ________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 2:46pm - burnsy ""] No. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 2:48pm - eyeroller ""] 1) If they remove the last word and the first three words, there's nothing "prayer" about it. 2) Her hymen offends me. I get to remove it? |
| __________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 2:56pm - posbleak ""] This is actually the last place I'd imagine anyone arguing FOR prayer in schools |
| ___________________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 3:03pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] In this country you have the right of freedom of religion. Which apparently means you have the right to choose one of a few different acceptable religions to practice. NO MUZLIMZ OR ATHEISTS CUZ DEY R SCARY |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 3:08pm - largefreakatzero ""] posbleak said:This is actually the last place I'd imagine anyone arguing FOR prayer in schools Probably because this is a complete waste of time and taxpayer money. The parents should make this kid get an after-school job rather than spending her time hand-wringing and teeth-gnashing over some stupid words on a wall. |
| ______________________________ [Jan 27,2012 3:21pm - Yeti ""] all of the points above aside, this was a prayer in a public school, which has no place. i do not care if "heavenly father" wasn't specifically "Lord Jehovah", it is a direct reference to a deity. that is unacceptable. there is a lot of nonsense about "wasted money" on lawsuits like this, i for one commend and applaud this girl for standing up. sure, she is young, her methods are fiery, but she stood up for what was right, not just what she believed. people need to stop looking over "just this one thing" because that alone is how equality and freedom are eroded away, bit by bit. Religion has a place, and it is within, not without. a prayer is a prayer, no matter how benign. i hope for more of this in the future. A prayer, a prayer in a public school??!! GOD HAS NO PLACE WITHIN THESE WALLS! |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 3:21pm - Josh_Martin ""] Or maybe the genius superintendant could've seen the writing on the wall and just taken the stupid gay prayer off the wall when first asked and saved everyone a lot of time and money. NO JEW ZOMBIES!!!!! |
| ______________________________ [Jan 27,2012 3:22pm - Yeti ""] FuckIsMySignature said:In this country you have the right of freedom of religion. Which apparently means you have the right to choose one of a few different acceptable religions to practice. BINGO |
| ______________________________ [Jan 27,2012 3:23pm - Yeti ""] and i for one would rather see taxpayer money "wasted" on a lawsuit like this than pumped into corrupt politicians pockets. |
| _______________________________ [Jan 27,2012 3:24pm - yummy ""] posbleak said:This is actually the last place I'd imagine anyone arguing FOR prayer in schools That's not what I'm doing at all. It's a discussion. I don't think this was a religious issue until she mentioned she was an athiest. I think it's more than that to other people, myself not included. It could be interpreted that this girl vehemently opposes any idea that we should all be good sports regardless of the outcome. Or maybe she read into it that we shouldn't treat all people how we want to be treated. Who knows there could be a huge majority that think, hey you know what, I don't believe in god so I'm completely uncomfortable about everything from In God we Trust on money to swearing the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I just think everybody is uncomfortable. Myself included. I don't want prayer taught in school. This is not an example of that. |
| ______________________________ [Jan 27,2012 3:27pm - Yeti ""] she is young, and very naive to the connotations of the word "atheist". the whole "In God We Trust" on money is preposterous, however that is pretty much impossible to reverse. where victory can be found, victory can be found. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 3:27pm - Alx_Casket ""] Yeti said: A fish, a fish in a public school??!! GOD HAS NO PLACE WITHIN THESE WHALES! |
| ______________________________ [Jan 27,2012 3:28pm - Yeti ""] hahahahaha i almost wrote that, but i figured i'd give you the pleasure. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 3:28pm - Alx_Casket ""] It's the only thing I learned at UMass Lowell, haha. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 3:31pm - Burnsy THE BITCH ""] Alx_Casket said:It's the only thing I learned at Umad Snowell, haha. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 3:35pm - Alx_Casket ""] I don't get it. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 3:41pm - burnsy ""] FuckIsMySignature said:In this country you have the right of freedom of religion. Which apparently means you have the right to choose one of a few different acceptable religions to practice. Similarly to the florists being chastised for not delivering the girl flowers, her demonstration of her rights has social consequences. She apparently lives in a predominantly Christian community. I don't understand what you mean by this point because I don't think her rights have been denied. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 3:47pm - posbleak ""] Yeah if anybody's wasting taxpayer money, it's the public school for 1) putting a prayer on the wall 2) not taking it down when that shit was pointed out that 3) letting it go to court and 4) appealing the decision. Come on. |
| ______________________________ [Jan 27,2012 3:48pm - ark ""] Yeti said:where victory can be found, victory can be found. agreed. the supreme court made a correct unanimous decision. i applaud them and the girl. the prayer may have been harmless but nonetheless clearly unconstitutional. it's a public school, and not a private christian school. the waste of taxpayer money is kind of a strawman argument. it would have been wasted somewhere else. the issue isn't so much that the prayer was there, but you know damn well there would have been an uproar if a muslim or even an atheist creed was put on the wall. the florist issue and all that is irrelevant. a prayer posted in a public school is inherently exclusive to other faiths and does not belong. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 3:52pm - Samefag ""] Yeti said:all of the points above aside, this was a prayer in a public school, which has no place. No, dumbass, it was a document on a wall. No one forced her to read it, no one read it TO her, there was no mandatory prayer time for all to read it it was a piece of history on the wall, and one spoiled twat decided it was offensive. I don't care for prayer in school. I care less for spoiled twats getting what they want so easily. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 3:57pm - Josh_Martin ""] Samefag said: Yeti said:all of the points above aside, this was a prayer in a public school, which has no place. No, dumbass, it was a document on a wall. No one forced her to read it, no one read it TO her, there was no mandatory prayer time for all to read it There's no mandatory PORN time either but if someone put a Playboy centerfold on the wall, that shit would've been taken down immediately, even though no one was forced to look at it. Think before you post next time |
| ___________________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 3:57pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] This thread just got sexy |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 3:58pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] ark said: Yeti said:where victory can be found, victory can be found. agreed. the supreme court made a correct unanimous decision. i applaud them and the girl. the prayer may have been harmless but nonetheless clearly unconstitutional. it's a public school, and not a private christian school. the waste of taxpayer money is kind of a strawman argument. it would have been wasted somewhere else. the issue isn't so much that the prayer was there, but you know damn well there would have been an uproar if a muslim or even an atheist creed was put on the wall. the florist issue and all that is irrelevant. a prayer posted in a public school is inherently exclusive to other faiths and does not belong. The irony is that the school hung this shit up THE VERY NEXT YEAR after prayer in schools was declared illegal. Intentionally unconstitutional, much? And the girl has stated that she wished it hadn't come to this, and that she intends to give any money she gets to the school. But, of course, they should've just taken the thing down in the first place. So now it's a big thing. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 3:59pm - Josh_Martin ""] Sooo, this chick just ostracized herself from a catholic community. Think she needs a date?? |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 3:59pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] If your vajin hurts about taxpayer money, consider how much the school spent fighting this when they are 100% wrong, anyway. edit: Or, "what posbleak said." |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 4:00pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] Except she might not have used the term "vajin". |
| ______________________________ [Jan 27,2012 4:02pm - ark ""] "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." having that posted on the wall, one could infer that the school was a christian organization and therefore would indirectly prohibit other faiths from "feeling comfortable." or at least that's the jist of the supreme court argument. a public school isn't and shouldn't be exclusive to any race or creed. this chick happened to remind them of that. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 4:32pm - Samefag ""] Josh_Martin said: Samefag said: Yeti said:all of the points above aside, this was a prayer in a public school, which has no place. No, dumbass, it was a document on a wall. No one forced her to read it, no one read it TO her, there was no mandatory prayer time for all to read it There's no mandatory PORN time either but if someone put a Playboy centerfold on the wall, that shit would've been taken down immediately, even though no one was forced to look at it. Think before you post next time Not even the same thing. My point was that a prayer hanging on a wall is not prayer in school. RECITING the prayer on the wall is prayer in school. Without drawing such attention to it, it's simply a piece of school history. Porn on the wall violates indecency/obscenity laws, not a constitutional right to free choice of religion. I could also object that any history book with reference to roman catholic expansion, or any art class featuring religious works, is just as offensive as this hanging non-denominational "prayer" was. Really Josh, you're as dumb as they say you are. Think before you post, next time. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 4:34pm - burnsy ""] LOL. A judge at New Haven Superior Court sentenced a guy to death today and said "May God have mercy on your soul." Double standards in the judicial system? FAGGETABOUTIT. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 27,2012 4:36pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] ^ Who gave Connecticut the authority to execute people, anyway? [/what is the deal with that] [img] |
| _______________________________ [Jan 27,2012 4:53pm - yummy ""] This prayer was written by a seventh grader. Sure, the point being that the school should've never put it up nor allowed it to stay up I agree with. However, people consider things like this part of the fabric of their society. I was most intrigued by this whole issue because for both sides it's a right of entitlement where nobody wins. The ones with the most empathy? Does she empathize in any way with members of her community who want the prayer to stay? See, it goes back and forth. All the meanwhile members of the community say it's not faith based, the moment it comes down people in the community act like Satan took over Cranston. Which, not for nothing is overdue. In short, good conversation. |