NEMHF Day III: recap thread
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[May 1,2006 1:50pm - brian_dc ""]
holy crap that is awesome
[May 1,2006 1:50pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
the_reverend said:DrinkHardThrashHard said:TheGreatSpaldino said:Mortician is the best death metal band because their drummer can hold a really fast blast forever.
Did you mean the real drummer or the computer program? :spineyes:
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Uh, Rev, yeah, so I played with Mortician...and I was pretty sure they had a drummer. I think you were there too. Thus my confusion.
[May 1,2006 1:50pm - pam ""]
yeah I'm not a guy, and I'm 23, I live in my own place. You're in a metalcore band? You play shmetal? lol.
[May 1,2006 1:52pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
pam said:yeah I'm not a guy, and I'm 23, I live in my own place. You're in a metalcore band? You play shmetal? lol.
The Nicaea Room I think. But I'm not putting them down, I really like Matt. He is a fine young lad with some potential.
[May 1,2006 1:53pm - the_reverend ""]
I played DnD for a long time. I'm not really a fan of Iced Earth cause one of the singers sucked. Also, they aren't tongue in check. I like blind guardian a lot better than iced earth cause they do funny things like the lord of the rings song and their lyrics are so funny. dragonforce was good, but I just can't get my head around why people are apeshit for them and not all the other bands out there that have been doing it just as well longer.
[May 1,2006 1:53pm - brian_dc ""]
I dig the nicaea room.
[May 1,2006 1:54pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
the_reverend said:I played DnD for a long time. I'm not really a fan of Iced Earth cause one of the singers sucked. Also, they aren't tongue in check. I like blind guardian a lot better than iced earth cause they do funny things like the lord of the rings song and their lyrics are so funny. dragonforce was good, but I just can't get my head around why people are apeshit for them and not all the other bands out there that have been doing it just as well longer.
There is nothing wrong with D&D. It could be worse, we could be outside hitting each other with foam weapons in a park. I agree with your sentiments on Dragonforce completely.
[May 1,2006 1:54pm - the_reverend ""]
DrinkHardThrashHard said:Uh, Rev, yeah, so I played with Mortician...and I was pretty sure they had a drummer. I think you were there too. Thus my confusion.
sorry, I forget that you don't come out of mom's basement often and are confused in most social situations. I thought it was obvious that he was pointing out their drum machine recordings.
[May 1,2006 1:55pm - the_reverend ""]
hope I didn't ruin your dnd game.
[May 1,2006 1:58pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
the_reverend said:DrinkHardThrashHard said:Uh, Rev, yeah, so I played with Mortician...and I was pretty sure they had a drummer. I think you were there too. Thus my confusion.
sorry, I forget that you don't come out of mom's basement often and are confused in most social situations. I thought it was obvious that he was pointing out their drum machine recordings.
Hehehe, I thought the drummer pulled it off pretty well live, that's why I was confused....
[May 1,2006 1:58pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
the_reverend said:hope I didn't ruin your dnd game.
I'll still get my level. Don't worry.
[May 1,2006 2:04pm - i_am_not_me ""]
the_reverend said:Bronx Casket Co: (mainstage) they sounded like typo-doomy stuffages. Not really what I'm down for, but their lighting was cool. They had a lof of nice colored back lighting that shown out through all the fog. It was pretty cool looking in my photos from what I can tell. The singer/bassist COMPLETELY looked like the bassist from overkill and the guitarist was the most heavymetal looking person I've seen at this fest yet. People in the audience started to chant for dragonforce and bood+thumbsdowned this band.
The bassist/singer is indeed DD. And the guitarist is Jack Frost. Even after the points he loses for doing this band, he's still more metal than anyone (Aside from possibly Dragonforce.)
[May 1,2006 2:05pm - i_am_not_me ""]
I really wanted to stay for Gamma Ray, but there's no fucking way I could make the drive home if I stayed for them...I was way too fucking worn out.
[May 1,2006 2:08pm - pam ""]
I had an hour and a half drive, it SUCKED.
[May 1,2006 2:20pm - matt tnr ""]
brian_dc said:I dig the nicaea room.
thanks dude.
dragonforce > everyone else
[May 1,2006 2:22pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
matt tnr said:
dragonforce > everyone else
Come on man, you were doing better than that before!
[May 1,2006 4:10pm - Y_Ddraig_Goch ""]
matt tnr said:brian_dc said:I dig the nicaea room.
thanks dude.
dragonforce > everyone else
We shouldn't even bother with this kid if he thinks one a-type power metal band owns all other musical acts in history then he won't be on this site much longer.
I like Dragonforce, but I must say their cds are boring as fuck, after one song it all sounds the same, all the writing is very similar, there were times when I caught myself singing the wrong chorus at the show, but the thing was it fit perfectly with what they were playing. Dragonforce is indeed talented, but I must say there are tons of power metal bands out there that own them.
Ie Gamma Ray, Iced Earth, Angra, Pagan's Mind, Blind Guardian, Norther, Dark Moor, Lost Horizon, Luca Turilli, Helloween, Sonata Arctica, Stratovarius, and much more
each of those bands is over all better than dragonforce. I love Dragonforce but I must admit that they are a type a band, they just take what others have done and play it faster, the appeal I think with dragonforce is
a) They are from an English speaking Country, thus youngsters when looking them up will figure that they sing in English, whereas if the band were from Finnland, norway, Iceland, Russia...ect, they would figure they speak in a funny foreign language, and no one wants to be caught listening to music from non english lands.
b) They are showboaters, they hop around and dance on stage.
c) all their songs asides from the two or three ballads they have, are the same fast tempo, where as other power metal bands put out all kinds of tempos, and often have acoustic songs, or symphonic support.
d) their are no harsh vocals, nor is there a change in the vocal range. Dragonforce stick to one range, sometimes going alittle higher where as other power metal bands used varried ranges going from low to deafing highs.
e) They appeal to video game nerds, their lyrics and some of the samples sound like pieces from games, infact Herman Li said himself he is heavily influenced from Nintendo video game music.
f) They have an Asian, and we all know that anyone not white in a rock band is a novelty and must be adored or it's racist.
g) Somewhere down the line some metal kids wanting to show an appealing crowd friendly metal band to non metal kids chose Dragonforce over bands like Immortal, or Kalmah and other such bands, they chose Dragonforce because it would be appealing to closed-minded music fans and thus most Metal kids for years have been pumping up dragonforce more than any other metal band to non metal kids in a hope of getting them into metal
that is why I think Dragonforce are all the rage, next time on "why good bands have bad fans; Chillen' of Bodom"
[May 1,2006 4:18pm - SteveOTB ""]
Y_Ddraig_Goch said:matt tnr said:brian_dc said:I dig the nicaea room.
thanks dude.
dragonforce > everyone else
We shouldn't even bother with this kid if he thinks one a-type power metal band owns all other musical acts in history then he won't be on this site much longer.
I like Dragonforce, but I must say their cds are boring as fuck, after one song it all sounds the same, all the writing is very similar, there were times when I caught myself singing the wrong chorus at the show, but the thing was it fit perfectly with what they were playing. Dragonforce is indeed talented, but I must say there are tons of power metal bands out there that own them.
Ie Gamma Ray, Iced Earth, Angra, Pagan's Mind, Blind Guardian, Norther, Dark Moor, Lost Horizon, Luca Turilli, Helloween, Sonata Arctica, Stratovarius, and much more
each of those bands is over all better than dragonforce. I love Dragonforce but I must admit that they are a type a band, they just take what others have done and play it faster, the appeal I think with dragonforce is
a) They are from an English speaking Country, thus youngsters when looking them up will figure that they sing in English, whereas if the band were from Finnland, norway, Iceland, Russia...ect, they would figure they speak in a funny foreign language, and no one wants to be caught listening to music from non english lands.
b) They are showboaters, they hop around and dance on stage.
c) all their songs asides from the two or three ballads they have, are the same fast tempo, where as other power metal bands put out all kinds of tempos, and often have acoustic songs, or symphonic support.
d) their are no harsh vocals, nor is there a change in the vocal range. Dragonforce stick to one range, sometimes going alittle higher where as other power metal bands used varried ranges going from low to deafing highs.
e) They appeal to video game nerds, their lyrics and some of the samples sound like pieces from games, infact Herman Li said himself he is heavily influenced from Nintendo video game music.
f) They have an Asian, and we all know that anyone not white in a rock band is a novelty and must be adored or it's racist.
g) Somewhere down the line some metal kids wanting to show an appealing crowd friendly metal band to non metal kids chose Dragonforce over bands like Immortal, or Kalmah and other such bands, they chose Dragonforce because it would be appealing to closed-minded music fans and thus most Metal kids for years have been pumping up dragonforce more than any other metal band to non metal kids in a hope of getting them into metal
that is why I think Dragonforce are all the rage, next time on "why good bands have bad fans; Chillen' of Bodom"
I actually have 2 asians in my band so I don't see how that's a novelty. Basically that statement there was actually racist without attempting to be. My band was formed because 2 asians wanted to start a metal band for the love of it not to be a novelty act.
[May 1,2006 4:24pm - Y_Ddraig_Goch ""]
I was saying that the typical kid who loves dragonforce, might like them just cause the fact that herman li is asian, and most rock bands now adays don't have asian frontmen. Trust me I am not racist myself, I have a jew and a puerto rican in my band hahahah
I never said that dragonfroce was novelty because of herman li, just that fans think it is a novelty because of him.
[May 1,2006 4:31pm - SteveOTB ""]
Y_Ddraig_Goch said:I was saying that the typical kid who loves dragonforce, might like them just cause the fact that herman li is asian, and most rock bands now adays don't have asian frontmen. Trust me I am not racist myself, I have a jew and a puerto rican in my band hahahah
I never said that dragonfroce was novelty because of herman li, just that fans think it is a novelty because of him.
LOL it's cool man.
[May 1,2006 4:33pm - dreadkill ""]
pam said:I think he's showing you with his mouth gesture.
you're hilarious today.
[May 1,2006 4:34pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""]
European power metal is so beyond gay that it fucks itself in its own ass.
[May 1,2006 4:36pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
Y_Ddraig_Goch said:matt tnr said:brian_dc said:I dig the nicaea room.
thanks dude.
dragonforce > everyone else
We shouldn't even bother with this kid if he thinks one a-type power metal band owns all other musical acts in history then he won't be on this site much longer.
I like Dragonforce, but I must say their cds are boring as fuck, after one song it all sounds the same, all the writing is very similar, there were times when I caught myself singing the wrong chorus at the show, but the thing was it fit perfectly with what they were playing. Dragonforce is indeed talented, but I must say there are tons of power metal bands out there that own them.
Ie Gamma Ray, Iced Earth, Angra, Pagan's Mind, Blind Guardian, Norther, Dark Moor, Lost Horizon, Luca Turilli, Helloween, Sonata Arctica, Stratovarius, and much more
each of those bands is over all better than dragonforce. I love Dragonforce but I must admit that they are a type a band, they just take what others have done and play it faster, the appeal I think with dragonforce is
a) They are from an English speaking Country, thus youngsters when looking them up will figure that they sing in English, whereas if the band were from Finnland, norway, Iceland, Russia...ect, they would figure they speak in a funny foreign language, and no one wants to be caught listening to music from non english lands.
b) They are showboaters, they hop around and dance on stage.
c) all their songs asides from the two or three ballads they have, are the same fast tempo, where as other power metal bands put out all kinds of tempos, and often have acoustic songs, or symphonic support.
d) their are no harsh vocals, nor is there a change in the vocal range. Dragonforce stick to one range, sometimes going alittle higher where as other power metal bands used varried ranges going from low to deafing highs.
e) They appeal to video game nerds, their lyrics and some of the samples sound like pieces from games, infact Herman Li said himself he is heavily influenced from Nintendo video game music.
f) They have an Asian, and we all know that anyone not white in a rock band is a novelty and must be adored or it's racist.
g) Somewhere down the line some metal kids wanting to show an appealing crowd friendly metal band to non metal kids chose Dragonforce over bands like Immortal, or Kalmah and other such bands, they chose Dragonforce because it would be appealing to closed-minded music fans and thus most Metal kids for years have been pumping up dragonforce more than any other metal band to non metal kids in a hope of getting them into metal
that is why I think Dragonforce are all the rage, next time on "why good bands have bad fans; Chillen' of Bodom"
Great post brother, and you are right. They only appeal to certain videogame nerds though. I am a major videogame addict and I don't think their music has anything in common with most of the music except a few Rush'n'Attack/Megaman style melodies.
The funny thing is, this kid doesn't even have Dragonforce listed on his favorite bands on his MS page. Yet he says they are better than everyone else. Which says to me that he got into them about two weeks ago and hasn't updated. Bandwagon 101.
[May 1,2006 4:48pm - the_reverend ""]
Y_Ddraig_Goch said:Norther
is there more than one norther? the band that I know is blackmetaly, but with powermetalish synths.
[May 1,2006 4:49pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
Norther is a similar band to COB but simpler and frankly, far better songwriters. That is probably the one you are thinking of, they have black metal vocals but the music is pure Finnish melodeath with synths.
[May 1,2006 4:52pm - the_reverend ""]
ok, that is the band I'm thinking of. I only have one CD and it's good, but I don't remember the songs varying vary much. they were all played at the same speed through out the songs. though I haven't listened to them for a while.
[May 1,2006 4:55pm - SeedBassist ""]
Norther is the band who does that death/black/speed metal cover of "The Final Countdown", but everyone says that it's Children Of Bodom
[May 1,2006 4:59pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
the_reverend said:ok, that is the band I'm thinking of. I only have one CD and it's good, but I don't remember the songs varying vary much. they were all played at the same speed through out the songs. though I haven't listened to them for a while.
Their new CD is pretty good.
[May 1,2006 5:02pm - dreadkill ""]
drinkhardthrashhard totally owns this thread. bow down.
[May 1,2006 5:03pm - dreadkill ""]
DrinkHardThrashHard said:Norther is a similar band to COB but simpler and frankly, far better songwriters. That is probably the one you are thinking of, they have black metal vocals but the music is pure Finnish melodeath with synths.
i agree. norther, and pretty much every other bodom-ish band, has superior songwriting skills to bodom. bodom is possibly the worst at that style.
[May 1,2006 5:04pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
dreadkill said:drinkhardthrashhard totally owns this thread.
I paid dearly for it.
[May 1,2006 5:14pm - the_reverend ""]
COB's problem is that I dont think they know english so they just use catch phrases that they learned on TV.
ie: "i don't give a fuck ___"
[May 1,2006 5:15pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
COB is just flashy power metal, with lots of solos and crap ripped straight off Stratovarius, but they are a little thrashier and have the harsh vocals. Their music goes right in one ear and out the other. I think I liked only one song on their 3rd album. It sounded like a Zakk Wylde riff from back when he joined Ozzy.
As for Norther and Kalmah, both are far more memorable with the songwriting. I still spin "They Will Return" from Kalmah all the time, and the first and latest Norther.
[May 1,2006 5:19pm - SeedBassist ""]
I like Bodom, but I agree with the fact that they've gone downhill over the years. I liked the first few albums where they had the whole classical element going on. Then I got the new album and realized that they've completely stripped that element away and it's just boring straight-ahead thrash with a bunch of "fuck you"'s thrown in
[May 1,2006 5:57pm - Sing_Jsong ""]
Y_Ddraig_Goch said:
We shouldn't even bother with this kid if he thinks one a-type power metal band owns all other musical acts in history then he won't be on this site much longer.
I like Dragonforce, but I must say their cds are boring as fuck, after one song it all sounds the same, all the writing is very similar, there were times when I caught myself singing the wrong chorus at the show, but the thing was it fit perfectly with what they were playing. Dragonforce is indeed talented, but I must say there are tons of power metal bands out there that own them.
Ie Gamma Ray, Iced Earth, Angra, Pagan's Mind, Blind Guardian, Norther, Dark Moor, Lost Horizon, Luca Turilli, Helloween, Sonata Arctica, Stratovarius, and much more
each of those bands is over all better than dragonforce. I love Dragonforce but I must admit that they are a type a band, they just take what others have done and play it faster, the appeal I think with dragonforce is
a) They are from an English speaking Country, thus youngsters when looking them up will figure that they sing in English, whereas if the band were from Finnland, norway, Iceland, Russia...ect, they would figure they speak in a funny foreign language, and no one wants to be caught listening to music from non english lands.
b) They are showboaters, they hop around and dance on stage.
c) all their songs asides from the two or three ballads they have, are the same fast tempo, where as other power metal bands put out all kinds of tempos, and often have acoustic songs, or symphonic support.
d) their are no harsh vocals, nor is there a change in the vocal range. Dragonforce stick to one range, sometimes going alittle higher where as other power metal bands used varried ranges going from low to deafing highs.
e) They appeal to video game nerds, their lyrics and some of the samples sound like pieces from games, infact Herman Li said himself he is heavily influenced from Nintendo video game music.
f) They have an Asian, and we all know that anyone not white in a rock band is a novelty and must be adored or it's racist.
g) Somewhere down the line some metal kids wanting to show an appealing crowd friendly metal band to non metal kids chose Dragonforce over bands like Immortal, or Kalmah and other such bands, they chose Dragonforce because it would be appealing to closed-minded music fans and thus most Metal kids for years have been pumping up dragonforce more than any other metal band to non metal kids in a hope of getting them into metal
that is why I think Dragonforce are all the rage, next time on "why good bands have bad fans; Chillen' of Bodom"
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I must say, you incorporate a bizarre mix of somewhat valid statements with silly absurdity. Dragonforce aren't the best metal act of all time, nor will they ever be, but they certainly aren't the worst. They obviously possess two very talented guitarists that can put the lick on the solo but get lost when it comes to song structure. Now to get to your plethora of points:
a) That's probably the worst and most pathetic stereotype I have ever seen in relation to fans. I have never seen nor heard kids complain that they don't like a band because they sing in Finnish or whatever, and that they try as hard as they can to avoid bands that don't sing in English. That's just a weak and poor attempt at trying to kick the mainstream metal scene when it's down.
b) Would you rather they stand in one spot and just bang their head every now and then? It makes the shows exciting. Believe me, there's plenty of bands out there who make good music but are godawful live, and it hurts them.
c) That you're partly right on. They do use the same chord and song structure for the most part. They do, however, have acoustic songs and use plenty of symphonic support.
d) Harsh vocals isn't really a trademark of power metal, so you lost me there. There's plenty of power metal vocalists out there that explore their range just as much as Theart.
e) Maybe so, I really don't care for the lyrics because I took one look at them and saw that blandness right away in them. How much that influences their fans...who knows.
f) Another baseless stereotype of fans. You're probably the only one who thinks it needs to be embraced. Other than that, you're just desperately vieing for a reason to attack the fans.
g) And so kids tell their friends about Dragonforce. That would up their fanbase, and possibly other bands that they look into as well. I don't think it really would matter either...
[May 1,2006 5:59pm - Sing_Jsong ""]
btw, I'm not Asian either; I made up the name for use.
[May 1,2006 6:01pm - RobinG ""]
I'm china.
[May 1,2006 6:15pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
I WANT to be Asian, does that count?
[May 1,2006 8:47pm - BestialOnslaught ""]
Haha, Scott's on fire in this thread! DRAGONFORCE was mediocre, as I expected, it was ok to watch just cause it's pretty rare for a Power Metal tour to come around. GAMMA RAY was amazing, though I really really really wish they had gotten to play their full encore including "Send Me A Sign". I didn't see anything else. I would have much rather paid $25 for a normal downstairs Palladium show than fest price, fuck that crap.
[May 1,2006 9:07pm - contagion ""]
this is one big i know more about power metal than you jerk off session.
[May 1,2006 9:17pm - pam ""]
dreadkill said:pam said:I think he's showing you with his mouth gesture.
you're hilarious today.
I'm hilarious everyday.
[May 1,2006 11:30pm - TheGreatSpaldino ""]
umm also... if you actually LISTEN to Inhuman Rampage... you will hear harsh backing vocals thoughout the whole album in several places
thank you and goodnight
[May 1,2006 11:33pm - sxealex ""]
rev you never reviewed the last bands... or if you did i cant find it
[May 1,2006 11:38pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
TheGreatSpaldino said:umm also... if you actually LISTEN to Inhuman Rampage... you will hear harsh backing vocals thoughout the whole album in several places
thank you and goodnight
Bah, a completely boring album. The first two are far better and the novelty has already worn off.
Alex, I can't believe they didn't get to play "Send Me a Sign". That is goddamn robbery.
[May 1,2006 11:40pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
contagion said:this is one big i know more about power metal than you jerk off session.
I know more about power metal than you.
Wait a minute......wait a minute.....wait a minute.....there, I'm done.
I'll go get the tissues.
[May 1,2006 11:42pm - sxealex ""]
dudes... regardless off all the reasons dragonforce is formulaic and popular for all these logistical reasons. they kick ass... shredding, jumping around and playing fast is sick and fun to watch. plus they seem like funny guys. im not gonna look for meaning or integrity in the music because there is none. its just showy and feel good awesome-ness... they are called DRAGONFORCE wha tthe fuck do you expect. eat it up if you like it. otherwise just don't listen to it. thats how i see it.
[May 1,2006 11:43pm - slowlypeelingtheflesh ""]
no one should take power metal seriously ever, to argue about it over the internet.
[May 1,2006 11:44pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
Normally I'd agree with you.
This is a metal forum though, we like to argue about these types of things. By your own logic, if you like don't like it, you don't have to read it, right?
[May 1,2006 11:45pm - sxealex ""]
i like the new album the fucking use a vocoder like a boyband hahaha sickkkkk
[May 1,2006 11:45pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""]
I thought they WERE a boyband?