the official FUCK OFF NOWADAYS BLACK METAL thread[views:45882][posts:201]________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 4:04pm - KEVORD ""] Taken from Kim Kelly's Interview with Weapon. Kim Kelly: What are your thoughts on metal bands (black metal or otherwise) who claim that Satan is unnecessary to create extreme metal? Is it a personal choice, or do you feel that that undercurrent of Satanic feeling is necessary in order to write a proper black metal record? VM Weapon: Metal bands can sing about whatever the fuck they want. Lyrical matter is up to the band and I believe in freedom of speech. Black Metal, however, is Satan. That's non-negotiable. Lack of Satan means you do not play in a Black Metal band, regardless of how many Immortal riffs you've stolen or much panda makeup you've worn. Weather reports, national socialism, pagan fire dances and pretty flowers do not a Black Metal band make. So to answer the first part of your question more articulately - if your band claims to be Black Metal but you do not worship the Devil, go fuck yourself. Kim Kelly: What is black metal in 2012? The term is such a blanket statement - theoretically, one could toss Blasphemy, Wolves in the Throne Room, Mayhem, One Tail One Head, and Drudkh in there, and even Weapon sometimes gets thrown in as well. Is a definition necessary anymore? Is a definition possible? VM Weapon: I would never - theoretically or otherwise - utter Blasphemy, Root and Mayhem in the same breath with something as asinine as Wolves In The Throne Room. That would be like mentioning a fucktard like Adam Sandler to the work of Al Pacino, Robert De Niro and Clint Eastwood. Weapon gets tossed in there and we have absolutely no problem with that, because we are still very much a Black Metal band in many ways. People often call us Death Metal, and that's fine too. Definition is necessary, and it is possible. It is necessary for the differentiating betwixt what's quality and what's vapid, what's original and what's contrived, and what's strong and what's weak. And no, not everything in world is subjective. Violence and fundamentalism are 2 very key ingredients in this music, and as long as Weapon is around, that will not change. Hail Satan. |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 4:10pm - trioxin_245 ""] use of the word 'betwixt' = I'm burning my Weapon demo tape asap |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 4:12pm - arilliusbm ""] DO WE REALLY WANNA GO DOWN THE SATAN ROAD AGAIN SO WE CAN ALL TROLL EACHOTHER |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 4:12pm - trioxin_245 ""] Also, I missed the whole 'satan' argument, but I will say that 90% of my favorite Black Metal bands have nothing to do with satan at all. It's not necessarily a conscious choice, it's just funny how many people seem to think that satan has something to do with defining black metal. |
| ________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 4:15pm - KEVORD ""] we don't have to go down the Satan road again. Just thought the quotes were relevent. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 4:16pm - arilliusbm ""] Nah, let's go down that Satan road again |
| ______________________________ [Aug 22,2012 4:16pm - ark ""] yeah, yet another worthless opinion from Some Dude In A Band |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 4:18pm - arilliusbm ""] According to FIMS, being in a band makes your opinions valid. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 4:19pm - arilliusbm ""] (waiting for Bday boy to take the bait) |
| ______________________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 4:20pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] Did she start that Weapon interview bloviating about how Canadian culture looks down on metal or something as misinformed as her statements on Vietnam's government looking down on "godlessness" on the Wu'u interview? Seriously, she framed a story on a band from a communist nation that's had a history of persecuting religious minorities by claiming they had it rough because the government discouraged godless western influences. Do you ever run into problems with your families or the authorities because of the kind of music you play? No. They let us do anything we want. Just don’t try to use drugs or kill anyone and everything will be fine, hehe. You'd think at some point the dumbest writer in metal would have read something, fucking anything, about Vietnam considering they fought a war of independence against her own country. |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 4:23pm - chernobyl ""] bennyhillifier bennyhillifier bennyhillifier bennyhillifier bennyhillifier bennyhillifier bennyhillifier bennyhillifier |
| ________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 4:23pm - KEVORD ""] It was a Conqueror boxset not Revenge. Basically same band. [img] |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 4:24pm - trioxin_245 ""] ITT: cher misses the point and KEVORD commits repostery. |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 4:25pm - chernobyl ""] I got the point, I just wanted to post black metal stuff I like |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 4:27pm - trioxin_245 ""] it's not just about GOOD black metal, it was supposed to be about when black metal was actually EXTREME and not just another outlet for faggy art students to express how different they are. |
| ________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 4:27pm - KEVORD ""] I just wanted to show how over the top silly that boxset is. That's the metal tin version. I couldn't find a picture of the wood box that I think was actually $80. |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 4:28pm - trioxin_245 ""] I don't disagree that the box set is silly as hell, but I love my cd version, and I would totally rock that red shirt DAILY SON. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 4:30pm - arilliusbm ""] wheres general metalhead when you need him |
| ______________________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 4:31pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] bennyhillifier |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 4:33pm - chernobyl ""] faggy drop out art students are gay |
| __________________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 4:48pm - largefreakatzero ""] Though my appreciation of the genre is limited, I believe the success of any up and coming extreme black metal band clearly hinges on the members' willingness to do crime. More specifically arson and murder. Rape works too. Now go forth and prosper, foghats. |
| ________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 4:57pm - Beleth ""] BobNOMAAMRooney%20nli said:Fuck off post-1969adays black metal bennyhillifier Yup. This album is a mindfuck. |
| ______________________________ [Aug 22,2012 5:22pm - ala ""] bennyhillifier |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 8:20pm - BostonSucks ""] So you complain about the current state of BM yet alot of what you consider good "BM" are black/death bordering on noise forgettable crap. You all sound like you should just stick to your old school death metal revival that's equally as trendy as the modern BM you shun. Can you not do better than either overly melodic black/death or redundant bestial black/death for examples? theres more than just HHR style bands and WITTR...This is why the boston scene sucks. Cocaine fags. |
| _______________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 8:30pm - Andrew Hock ""] YAY. |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 8:31pm - chernobyl ""] BostonSucks said:So you complain about the current state of BM yet alot of what you consider good "BM" are black/death bordering on noise forgettable crap. You all sound like you should just stick to your old school death metal revival that's equally as trendy as the modern BM you shun. Can you not do better than either overly melodic black/death or redundant bestial black/death for examples? theres more than just HHR style bands and WITTR...This is why the boston scene sucks. Cocaine fags. TI |
| ________________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 9:07pm - my_dying_bride ""] Euronymous%20from%20the%20Grave said:[img] this is why black metal is gay nOW!!! wimpy little fags like this guy!!!POSER!!! |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 9:11pm - chernobyl ""] [img] |
| _______________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 10:05pm - Snowden NLI ""] Haha, I love that Cro Magnon found its way into this thread. |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 10:36pm - trioxin245 ""] I still say SCARED STUPID is the best Jim Varney film. |
| _________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 10:40pm - Burnsy ""] Snowden%20NLI said:Haha, I love that Cro Magnon found its way into this thread. Had never heard of them before that post but I purchased the album with haste. Curious to hear the rest of the album. |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 10:50pm - trioxin245 ""] It's a good album. Varied. Half of it is kind of sub-par. |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 11:48pm - Alx_Casket ""] bennyhillifier |
| _______________________________ [Aug 23,2012 12:14am - BSV ""] bennyhillifier http://youtu.be/MQ5ySjCR4hk http://youtu.be/YNYDpZDdU1c |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 23,2012 12:52am - Alx_Casket ""] bennyhillifier bennyhillifier bennyhillifier bennyhillifier |
| ______________________________ [Aug 23,2012 8:15am - Yeti ""] there are a lot of good points in this thread. i guess i shouldn't care so much about the homogenization of black metal. fuck the community aspect, bring back the isolation. fuck it, i'm going to listen to Pest. |
| _______________________________________ [Aug 23,2012 8:23am - AndrewBastard ""] which one? |
| ______________________________ [Aug 23,2012 8:23am - Yeti ""] Blasphemy is My Throne. per your recommendation. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 23,2012 8:41am - arilliusbm ""] Isolation is the way to go. I would also say LOL @ city blackmetalers but I don't want to make anyone mad. Oops, I said it. |
| _________________________________ [Aug 23,2012 9:02am - Snowden ""] Burnsy said: Snowden%20NLI said:Haha, I love that Cro Magnon found its way into this thread. Had never heard of them before that post but I purchased the album with haste. Curious to hear the rest of the album. I think they're one of the ultimate dude-working-at-weird-record-store-blows-your-mind-maan bands, or at least that's who I heard them through. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 23,2012 9:02am - Alx_Casket ""] What does that make you, a commuting bm'er? |
| ______________________________ [Aug 23,2012 9:04am - ark ""] city blackmetallers like brooklynvegan or like peste noire? what does that mean? |
| _________________________________ [Aug 23,2012 9:04am - Snowden ""] trioxin_245 said:it's not just about GOOD black metal, it was supposed to be about when black metal was actually EXTREME Totally feeling you here. I mean, EXTREME doesn't always mean good but at least it's an ethos. |
| _________________________________ [Aug 23,2012 9:06am - Snowden ""] arilliusbm said:Isolation is the way to go. I would also say LOL @ city blackmetalers but I don't want to make anyone mad. Oops, I said it. You mean like when Neige tries to make music about "urban alienation" or whatever? Because I'd guess that outside of like, rural Scandinavian and Nationalist Quebecqois bands, a pretty big majority of black metal musicians are in or around cities. |
| ________________________________ [Aug 23,2012 9:19am - Burnsy ""] trioxin_245 said:it's not just about GOOD black metal, it was supposed to be about when black metal was actually EXTREME. Dude! You want extreme black metal? Dude from trivium has a SICK new extreme black metal project coming out. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 23,2012 9:19am - arilliusbm ""] Bands that live in, play in, socialize in, spend their whole life in a major urban environment. I'm sorry, I don't find much ehtos or muse in major cities. If you want to compare cities like Bergen to any major US metropolis, be my guest. But yes, I expected flak and I got it. The City is so grim, I can relate. I feel full of hatred whenever I travel to the city to work. |
| __________________________________ [Aug 23,2012 9:27am - chrisREX ""] I listened to this twice the other day. I ruled this band out a couple years back, but I think I need to back track. [img] |
| ______________________________ [Aug 23,2012 9:29am - ark ""] no flak bro, just a rollseyes. good bands come from everywhere. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 23,2012 9:30am - arilliusbm ""] Obviously. I'm just being a dick. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 23,2012 9:43am - arilliusbm ""] It's a topic that has been discussed for years on various metal boards. It's nothing new. Some of my favorite bands are city bands. Personally, when I'm writing riffs, the last thing I'd think about is urbanism. Here is a decent thread with the idea presented, and recommendations: http://www.metal-archives.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=77968 edit: I didn't differentiate between the two: bands FROM the city, or bands that use urbanism in their art and songs. obviously, most people here are from the city, so it was a lovejab. |