the boycott thread[views:15487][posts:204]__________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 2:14pm - brian_dc ""] I've been reading all of the posts for the vital thread...and I've read a lot of what Josh from Abhorred has been saying about Kenny over the past months. I think it's fairly obvious that he was right. I'm on the boycott boat, too. Let's hear who's on board. Dour Cursiva-no shows with Kenny Lanning. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 2:16pm - HailTheLeaf ""] ha, I've been boycotting his shows since my last band |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 2:19pm - thedeparted ""] ive never had to deal with him, nor do i know who he is but, we will boycott too |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 2:38pm - RichHorror ""] We'll boycott him in the sense that he never has and never will have any interest in booking us. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 2:46pm - Anthony nli ""] this is the list from the other thread: BANDS BOYCOTTING KENNY AS A RESULT OF BEING RIPPED OFF Abhorred Burn in Silence Cryptic Warning December Wolves Defyunlearn.com Dehumanized Dissector Extinction Agenda Goratory Neuraxis Pillory Rigor Mortis Sacreligion Sexcrement Teratism Terminally, Your Aborted Ghost Throwing Shrapnel |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 3:23pm - BornSoVile ""] BANDS BOYCOTTING KENNY AS A RESULT OF BEING RIPPED OFF Abhorred Burn in Silence Burn My Remains Cryptic Warning December Wolves Defyunlearn.com Dehumanized Dissector Dour Cursiva Extinction Agenda Goratory It Will End in Pure Horror Neuraxis Pillory Rigor Mortis Sacreligion Sexcrement Teratism Terminally, Your Aborted Ghost The Departed Throwing Shrapnel It's not to late to join! |
| __________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 3:28pm - brian_dc ""] just so everybody knows...we were never ripped off by kenny...but he did try to get us to give him a ride home from the despised icon show...we weren't even leaving yet! he wanted to jet again. for us it's more of a preemptive thing...plus I hate seeing bands get fucked. We played with Rumplestiltskin Grinder in CT and those guys were really laid back and cool about everything. Touring bands cannot afford to get fucked. ...like someone said...this should be kenny's LAST show. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 4:14pm - DreamingInExile ""] well, I've never had the displeasure of ever meeting him nor do I ever want that displeasure... youcan count any of my projects in on this one |
| _________________________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 4:14pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] is it just a boycott, or are the additional mesaures? I mean how does kenny know and what will be the conditions that are expected to be met -- both by kenny, and by the people that support the boycott? |
| __________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 4:22pm - brian_dc ""] I'd say it's goal is to eventually coerce him to stop putting on shows. Hopefully he'll know the next time he tries to contact a band that is boycotting and that band explains to him that there is a boycott against his promotions because he rips off bands. the hope is to coerce him to leave the music world behind. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 4:22pm - brian_dc ""] it's a bit informal...but it's the spirit that counts. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 5:25pm - thedeparted ""] someone post a picture of him, i wanna know if ive seen him im boycotting for the same reasons dour cursiva is. as a safety precaution. |
| ______________________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 5:40pm - Chris_From_Shit_Fuck ""] RichHorror said:We'll boycott him in the sense that he never has and never will have any interest in booking us. Yep, we're on that boat too. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 5:51pm - the_reverend ""] [img] |
| _________________________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 6:04pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] I think it would make sense if Josh or Brian wrote him an email saying "After petitioning for several [days/week/however long] the following bands have agreed to not work with you or attend your shows: [list]. We have all agreed to this as the condition persists in which you, Kenny Lanning, have repeatedly denied or neglected to pay artist who have worked with you under oral or email contract. It is our belief that this type of behavior is reprehensible and thus will not be tolerated in our music community. Let it be known that this boycott will continue until the following conditions are met and we have all agreed to desist from our actions: [demands]. Until this criteria is satisfied, the bands, artists, promoters, and musicians above will consider you a detrimental to what we hold to be important, truthful, and appropriate. For more information, please contact us here [contacts]." that would be the most effective |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 7:12pm - Anthony nli ""] the_taste_of_cigarettes said:I think it would make sense if Josh or Brian wrote him an email saying "After petitioning for several [days/week/however long] the following bands have agreed to not work with you or attend your shows: [list]. We have all agreed to this as the condition persists in which you, Kenny Lanning, have repeatedly denied or neglected to pay artist who have worked with you under oral or email contract. It is our belief that this type of behavior is reprehensible and thus will not be tolerated in our music community. Let it be known that this boycott will continue until the following conditions are met and we have all agreed to desist from our actions: [demands]. Until this criteria is satisfied, the bands, artists, promoters, and musicians above will consider you a detrimental to what we hold to be important, truthful, and appropriate. For more information, please contact us here [contacts]." that would be the most effective rather than contacting Kenny, why not send a similar letter with a list of the people/bands boycotting to venues and promoters? I don't think he's worth the extra hassle to anyone if, right off the bat, a club or booking company knows he's a problem. |
| ______________________________ [Dec 18,2005 7:31pm - BMR ""] Keep in mind, Kenny has never ripped us off. We don't expect to get paid ever, but for him to not pay a band who made the trek up from Philadelphia is just completely unacceptable. I witnessed it first hand, had I not seen that, I'd probably still be on the other side of the fence. Sometimes a reality check is necessary. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 7:36pm - BornSoVile ""] Nick and Anthony, I've already done all that, I've even sent this information to his boss who gets him venues. The boycott is quite simple in theory, those on the list don't play shows for him and don't attend his shows, no additional measures. |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 7:51pm - hungta‘bleed ""] the_reverend said:[img] That is picture is fucking awesome! |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 7:57pm - ArrowHead nli ""] Fuck Kenny Lanning. That is all. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 8:08pm - ArrowHead nli ""] By the way, it hurts my ego to see Josh getting all the credit for boycotting Kenny. It was me that started that shit, nigger! |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 9:32pm - infoterror ""] WRITE A GODDAMN MANIFESTO EXPLAIN TO WORLD IN SHORT SENTENCES WHAT IS YOUR PLIGHT THEN, END WITH REFERENCE TO ANAL SEX WORKS 4 ME |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 9:58pm - BornSoVile ""] ArrowHead nli said:By the way, it hurts my ego to see Josh getting all the credit for boycotting Kenny. It was me that started that shit, nigger! TRUE! Pete is a critical figure in the shaping of this revolution. Pillory/Goratory have been the driving force more than anything else. |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 10:13pm - rigor penis ""] brian_dc said:I've been reading all of the posts for the vital thread...and I've read a lot of what Josh from Abhorred has been saying about Kenny over the past months. I think it's fairly obvious that he was right. I'm on the boycott boat, too. Let's hear who's on board. Dour Cursiva-no shows with Kenny Lanning. your stupid boycott didn't work at the vital remains show it was almost full |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 10:19pm - BornSoVile ""] it would have been full if everyone I know who's been boycotting was there. we havn't made a big deal about it at all other than here, naturally the word hasn't spread. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 10:21pm - ArrowHead nli ""] rigor penis said: your stupid boycott didn't work at the vital remains show it was almost full It did work. None of us played it. The idea was, we get bands to stop playing shows for Kenny. It's not a boycott, it's fair warning that people get screwed. And lo and behold! It would seem once again that people got screwed. I really don't care if people go to the shows he DOES book. Just be smart, and don't let him book you. |
| __________________________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 11:07pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] I think a boycott without a clear goal is pretty meaningless. I mean if you don't tell him what you want, then how do you know what you want from the boycott? Give the guy -- and your cause -- a goal. |
| __________________________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 11:09pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] BornSoVile said:Nick and Anthony, I've already done all that, I've even sent this information to his boss who gets him venues. The boycott is quite simple in theory, those on the list don't play shows for him and don't attend his shows, no additional measures. I have no intention of working with him but I also won't join your boycott if you don't have a goal. What, to not have him book shows anymore? I think it makes more sense to say "Look, we won't work with you until you change in these ways" rather than a flat out boycott with no goal. |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 11:11pm - Anthony nli ""] the_taste_of_cigarettes said:BornSoVile said:Nick and Anthony, I've already done all that, I've even sent this information to his boss who gets him venues. The boycott is quite simple in theory, those on the list don't play shows for him and don't attend his shows, no additional measures. I have no intention of working with him but I also won't join your boycott if you don't have a goal. What, to not have him book shows anymore? I think it makes more sense to say "Look, we won't work with you until you change in these ways" rather than a flat out boycott with no goal. the goal is to never let Kenny book again because he rips off bands. It's not about getting Kenny to change, it's about getting him to go the fuck away. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 11:14pm - brian_dc ""] kenny isn't gonna change...anthony said it best |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 11:16pm - BornSoVile ""] Anthony nli said: the goal is to never let Kenny book again because he rips off bands. It's not about getting Kenny to change, it's about getting him to go the fuck away. I've been saying shit like this for awhile Nick, I don't understand how you missed the point. |
| __________________________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 11:17pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] Anthony nli said:the_taste_of_cigarettes said:BornSoVile said:Nick and Anthony, I've already done all that, I've even sent this information to his boss who gets him venues. The boycott is quite simple in theory, those on the list don't play shows for him and don't attend his shows, no additional measures. I have no intention of working with him but I also won't join your boycott if you don't have a goal. What, to not have him book shows anymore? I think it makes more sense to say "Look, we won't work with you until you change in these ways" rather than a flat out boycott with no goal. the goal is to never let Kenny book again because he rips off bands. It's not about getting Kenny to change, it's about getting him to go the fuck away. I wouldn't have expected something like that from you Anthony. You're a smart guy, I'm sure you understand how justice works more than "We don't like this guy, he can go fuck himself!! LEAVE OUR SOCIETY!" True justice is about recognizing everyone's right and liberties and even if we disagree with them, we follow a due process that is blind. I think Kenny fucks everyone, so I agree with the public outrage, but the smarter move is to follow a system that allows Kenny to fuck himself over and not make him a victim of our negativity -- which is what he will become if we just tell him to fuck himself off the bat. The better move is to boycott and make a list of demands. Then Kenny can choose his fate that way. If he then persists and the boycott if futile, more extreme methods are necessary. In this way we do the right thing -- we don't let our emotions overcome the situation and we allows for justice to go to work. If Kenny does change (the boycott can also call for him to pay EVERY band that he fucked), then everyone wins. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 11:19pm - BornSoVile ""] Nick, I've talked with Kenny about this...everytime it's the same he denies everything. Making a list of demands is a concept that is way to complicated for him. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 11:19pm - thedeparted ""] does he only book for the palladium? why not contact the club owner(s) he books for and tell them he is a piece of shit, and said bands will not play there if he books the shows. it's not even the not getting paid so much, im pretty sure most bands on here have learned to deal with not getting paid after shows. the thing that sucks however is for out of state touring bands that rely on that money to carry them to the next city, or show. If this dickhead is screwing them over, then he needs to be stopped. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 11:22pm - brian_dc ""] nick, I agree with your logic...but how many chances do you give someone? When he says that he'll do better, and then doesn't...are we back at square one again? When Kenny booked the Despised Icon, I heard that it was his first show in awhile and he made all sorts of promises that he had stopped drinking (since he was an alcoholic)...everyone saw him drinking (a lot) at that show. I don't know. Would it be possible to find out if touring bands that have been ripped off by Kenny want to press charges? Just curious. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 11:22pm - BornSoVile ""] thedeparted said:does he only book for the palladium? why not contact the club owner(s) he books for and tell them he is a piece of shit, and said bands will not play there if he books the shows. it's not even the not getting paid so much, im pretty sure most bands on here have learned to deal with not getting paid after shows. the thing that sucks however is for out of state touring bands that rely on that money to carry them to the next city, or show. If this dickhead is screwing them over, then he needs to be stopped. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I've already done that. Maybe if more people contact his higher up then we can do something about it. Before last night it felt like only myself, and a hand full of people cared enough about this, I think it's cool that lots of people feel inspired now to do something. How can we collectively assemble some good points? |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 11:22pm - Anthony nli ""] the_taste_of_cigarettes said:Anthony nli said:the_taste_of_cigarettes said:BornSoVile said:Nick and Anthony, I've already done all that, I've even sent this information to his boss who gets him venues. The boycott is quite simple in theory, those on the list don't play shows for him and don't attend his shows, no additional measures. I have no intention of working with him but I also won't join your boycott if you don't have a goal. What, to not have him book shows anymore? I think it makes more sense to say "Look, we won't work with you until you change in these ways" rather than a flat out boycott with no goal. the goal is to never let Kenny book again because he rips off bands. It's not about getting Kenny to change, it's about getting him to go the fuck away. I wouldn't have expected something like that from you Anthony. You're a smart guy, I'm sure you understand how justice works more than "We don't like this guy, he can go fuck himself!! LEAVE OUR SOCIETY!" True justice is about recognizing everyone's right and liberties and even if we disagree with them, we follow a due process that is blind. I think Kenny fucks everyone, so I agree with the public outrage, but the smarter move is to follow a system that allows Kenny to fuck himself over and not make him a victim of our negativity -- which is what he will become if we just tell him to fuck himself off the bat. The better move is to boycott and make a list of demands. Then Kenny can choose his fate that way. If he then persists and the boycott if futile, more extreme methods are necessary. In this way we do the right thing -- we don't let our emotions overcome the situation and we allows for justice to go to work. If Kenny does change (the boycott can also call for him to pay EVERY band that he fucked), then everyone wins. you sound like you're being more idealistic than realistic. all the bands Kenny has fucked over will never get their back-pay from him, no matter what boycott terms are laid out. He's a drain on the metal scene. It's unrealistic to rehabilitate him and make him change his ways or something, the smart thing to do is to make him go away. This isn't about due process and fairness, it's about blacklisting a sleazeball so that his bullshit doesn't get played out over and over again. |
| __________________________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 11:25pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] BornSoVile said:Nick, I've talked with Kenny about this...everytime it's the same he denies everything. Making a list of demands is a concept that is way to complicated for him. fair enough, but the system works in that he fucks it up himself in a way that EVERYONE can see and there is no opinion or guesswork. If we say he has to do very clear things that can easily and publically be recognized, in a tangible way, we can ALL see the results and check them. It will let him fuck it up in a way that can be accounted for. For instance, "Kenny, you must pay all the bands you owe money to within four months. In that time frame these bands will not work with you and will speak out about the ways they believe you have caused them and others harm. If in that time frame you have paid those bands in good faith, and you have them contact us to tell us this (we will contact them only once (1x) at the end of the four month period otherwise), then you must be required to sign formal agreements with bands that you work with in the future. We will view the contract you have written up (it must be drafted with the aid of approved legal counsel)...." etc etc I mean in this way if he DOES follow through, then fine, like I said: everyone wins. He is in a position never to fuck anyone again, and if he doesn't follow these reasonable demands then he deserves his fate. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 11:26pm - hungta‘bleed ""] Kenny will quit fucking people over. Just like he quit drinking. |
| __________________________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 11:28pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] brian_dc said:nick, I agree with your logic...but how many chances do you give someone? When he says that he'll do better, and then doesn't...are we back at square one again? When Kenny booked the Despised Icon, I heard that it was his first show in awhile and he made all sorts of promises that he had stopped drinking (since he was an alcoholic)...everyone saw him drinking (a lot) at that show. I don't know. Would it be possible to find out if touring bands that have been ripped off by Kenny want to press charges? Just curious. I think it's a matter of the type of chances we give him. Putting him to an acid test lets him know clearly where everyone stands. A boycott plus demands gets everyone something in the end. If he really wants to book shows or feels that he is not in the wrong, then we can put him in a spot where he can prove that in a way we all think is fair. I think the past experiences were all people working with him and him fucking it up. If we change it to him needing to have his responses to certain necessary items accounted for then it's less about how anyone feels and more about what we can all see, plain-as-day, as fact. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 11:29pm - brian_dc ""] the_taste_of_cigarettes said:BornSoVile said:Nick, I've talked with Kenny about this...everytime it's the same he denies everything. Making a list of demands is a concept that is way to complicated for him. fair enough, but the system works in that he fucks it up himself in a way that EVERYONE can see and there is no opinion or guesswork. If we say he has to do very clear things that can easily and publically be recognized, in a tangible way, we can ALL see the results and check them. It will let him fuck it up in a way that can be accounted for. For instance, "Kenny, you must pay all the bands you owe money to within four months. In that time frame these bands will not work with you and will speak out about the ways they believe you have caused them and others harm. If in that time frame you have paid those bands in good faith, and you have them contact us to tell us this (we will contact them only once (1x) at the end of the four month period otherwise), then you must be required to sign formal agreements with bands that you work with in the future. We will view the contract you have written up (it must be drafted with the aid of approved legal counsel)...." etc etc I mean in this way if he DOES follow through, then fine, like I said: everyone wins. He is in a position never to fuck anyone again, and if he doesn't follow these reasonable demands then he deserves his fate. he does have a point...if there's is something formal like this, on top of all of the bands agreeing not to play his shows as independent decisions (which they really all have been for the most part). It will really put the heat on him...he'll either fade out, disappear immediately, or (longshot) pull a total 180 and start treating bands right. |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 11:30pm - Anthony nli ""] in my mind, Kenny has used up his chances, plain and simple. He should stick to menial labor and stay away from show booking. |
| __________________________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 11:31pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] brian_dc said:the_taste_of_cigarettes said:BornSoVile said:Nick, I've talked with Kenny about this...everytime it's the same he denies everything. Making a list of demands is a concept that is way to complicated for him. fair enough, but the system works in that he fucks it up himself in a way that EVERYONE can see and there is no opinion or guesswork. If we say he has to do very clear things that can easily and publically be recognized, in a tangible way, we can ALL see the results and check them. It will let him fuck it up in a way that can be accounted for. For instance, "Kenny, you must pay all the bands you owe money to within four months. In that time frame these bands will not work with you and will speak out about the ways they believe you have caused them and others harm. If in that time frame you have paid those bands in good faith, and you have them contact us to tell us this (we will contact them only once (1x) at the end of the four month period otherwise), then you must be required to sign formal agreements with bands that you work with in the future. We will view the contract you have written up (it must be drafted with the aid of approved legal counsel)...." etc etc I mean in this way if he DOES follow through, then fine, like I said: everyone wins. He is in a position never to fuck anyone again, and if he doesn't follow these reasonable demands then he deserves his fate. he does have a point...if there's is something formal like this, on top of all of the bands agreeing not to play his shows as independent decisions (which they really all have been for the most part). It will really put the heat on him...he'll either fade out, disappear immediately, or (longshot) pull a total 180 and start treating bands right. plus if we get some kind of hard-copy documentation then I bet it would hold weight in court. It could be used as admissible evidence I believe. I can explain this if anyone wants me to. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 11:33pm - brian_dc ""] let's do a fest of all of the bands in this thread, have kenny put it on, and have nick draw up the contract. then when he screws us, take him to court. |
| __________________________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 11:38pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] ahahahahah well I don't know about THAT but that would be hilarious BOYCOTT FEST 06 |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 11:39pm - brian_dc ""] it's a year long event/indictment |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 12:00am - ArrowHead nli ""] the_taste_of_cigarettes said: justice works more than "We don't like this guy, he can go fuck himself!! LEAVE OUR SOCIETY!" That's exactly what this IS! Lemme explain this to the few webtards that decided to turn this into some kind of idealist debate: We played a show for Kenny. He fucked us, and everyone else there. He ran out early, and would accept no responsiblity. We gave him a second shot. He fucked us, and everyone there AGAIN. He asked us a third time, we said fuck you. There was a bill a while back that everyone wanted us to play in Worcester. AGAIN, it was a kenny show. We said no thanks. Guess what? Everyone there got FUCKED AGAIN! More bands decided to play NO MORE KENNY SHOWS. Soon a big list formed, and people started mis-representing it as a boycott. Take your idealist schemes of reform and tolerance and shove them up yer asses. Kenny's a piece of shit, and I for one don't think he deserves ANY chance. He needs to leave, and never try booking a show again. You don't agree? Fine. Get the fuck out of our thread with your political science garbage. Go play one of his shows, and get fucked. Then come back, like over a dozen other bands have now, and say "oh shit! Kenny's a dirtbag. We don't like him and want him to go away". As you might see, I REALLY don't like that kid, and I'm sick of seeing good repectable bands get unwillingly fucked. If I have a chance to post, boycott, or do ANYTHING to spread the word, I WILL. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 12:08am - brian_dc ""] just so ya know, pete... I was completely sarcastic about this. brian_dc said:let's do a fest of all of the bands in this thread, have kenny put it on, and have nick draw up the contract. then when he screws us, take him to court. I understand that Kenny doesn't deserve any more chances, and I feel responsible for making this get blown a little out of proportion. I was just hoping that this thread would raise people's awareness and maybe make more bands realize that this guy would just fuck them over in case they are ever contacted by Kenny. Kenny contacted us a long time ago and if I hadn't heard some bad things, his offers would have been tempting. My logic wasn't to inspire what this thread has become...but when do these things ever go as planned. fucking internet. |
| __________________________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 12:09am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] ArrowHead nli said:the_taste_of_cigarettes said: justice works more than "We don't like this guy, he can go fuck himself!! LEAVE OUR SOCIETY!" That's exactly what this IS! Lemme explain this to the few webtards that decided to turn this into some kind of idealist debate: We played a show for Kenny. He fucked us, and everyone else there. He ran out early, and would accept no responsiblity. We gave him a second shot. He fucked us, and everyone there AGAIN. He asked us a third time, we said fuck you. There was a bill a while back that everyone wanted us to play in Worcester. AGAIN, it was a kenny show. We said no thanks. Guess what? Everyone there got FUCKED AGAIN! More bands decided to play NO MORE KENNY SHOWS. Soon a big list formed, and people started mis-representing it as a boycott. Take your idealist schemes of reform and tolerance and shove them up yer asses. Kenny's a piece of shit, and I for one don't think he deserves ANY chance. He needs to leave, and never try booking a show again. You don't agree? Fine. Get the fuck out of our thread with your political science garbage. Go play one of his shows, and get fucked. Then come back, like over a dozen other bands have now, and say "oh shit! Kenny's a dirtbag. We don't like him and want him to go away". As you might see, I REALLY don't like that kid, and I'm sick of seeing good repectable bands get unwillingly fucked. If I have a chance to post, boycott, or do ANYTHING to spread the word, I WILL. uh...sure anyway... Giving Kenny the same chance over and over again is not the same as putting him to an Acid Test. You get him to chalk his behavior to a set of criteria that he clearly knows he is bein put up against. That means NO opinion, NO guesswork. What I am proposing is nailing the dude in wide-open space so that there is NO debate instead of saying "Yeah he didn't pay us but I can't prove it and you only have my word on it." oh and FYI Kenny didn't pay us either. |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 12:12am - Anthony nli ""] ArrowHead nli said:the_taste_of_cigarettes said: justice works more than "We don't like this guy, he can go fuck himself!! LEAVE OUR SOCIETY!" That's exactly what this IS! Lemme explain this to the few webtards that decided to turn this into some kind of idealist debate: We played a show for Kenny. He fucked us, and everyone else there. He ran out early, and would accept no responsiblity. We gave him a second shot. He fucked us, and everyone there AGAIN. He asked us a third time, we said fuck you. There was a bill a while back that everyone wanted us to play in Worcester. AGAIN, it was a kenny show. We said no thanks. Guess what? Everyone there got FUCKED AGAIN! More bands decided to play NO MORE KENNY SHOWS. Soon a big list formed, and people started mis-representing it as a boycott. Take your idealist schemes of reform and tolerance and shove them up yer asses. Kenny's a piece of shit, and I for one don't think he deserves ANY chance. He needs to leave, and never try booking a show again. You don't agree? Fine. Get the fuck out of our thread with your political science garbage. Go play one of his shows, and get fucked. Then come back, like over a dozen other bands have now, and say "oh shit! Kenny's a dirtbag. We don't like him and want him to go away". As you might see, I REALLY don't like that kid, and I'm sick of seeing good repectable bands get unwillingly fucked. If I have a chance to post, boycott, or do ANYTHING to spread the word, I WILL. while i wouldn't have put it to you quite so harshly Nick, this is how I feel as well. this isn't a political ethics debate in some college discussion section, this is a local metal scene. The idea is still to have justice, but in a simpler way, like this: " you fuck local and national bands, get the fuck out of the scene." Kenny is lucky he's not getting the shit beaten out of him as well. |