the boycott thread[views:15592][posts:204]__________________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:35am - BestialOnslaught ""] If you're not trying to organize a boycott and you've never organized a boycott before, why the hell would you be an authority on how to run a boycott? Why the hell would anyone care for your input on the subject? |
| _________________________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:35am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] BestialOnslaught said:I don't see how putting a ripoff out of business has ANYTHING to do with vengeance. It's good business. Face it, you're full of shit. Because, if you read the posts in this thread you will see that I posit the question that how will not playing his shows or attending his shows effect him if A) he is not made aware of it or B) he is not made to answer to ANYTHING except that these people won't work with him? How does that solve anything? How does that prevent other people from taking his place? How does that prevent him from going to other bands that aren't aware of this and working with them? Is the problem that he is ripping people off, or that we want to eradicate a person? To me the issue is ripping people off. So have him answer to having done that. Have him pay people back and then some. Make it clear he can't do that shit. Whatever Josh or anyone else is saying about "We'll show him by just not being there!" does NOT have a good chance of working as much as making a VERY present and real issue by making him have to answer for his actions. Just ignoring him is going to work just as well as the kids that boycott Nike...a company that has had little interaction with its boycotters when they have NOT made succesive demands. The real issue is people getting ripped off. That should be clear above the use of big words, cussing, or ALL CAPS. |
| ______________________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:36am - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] I think the list is very effective, the bands don't need to give Kenny a list of demands or explain themselves to him. If a venue approaches a band and says "Hey want to play this show?" and upon being told that Kenny is involved declines and gives their reason for declining the venues will eventually stop letting Kenny book shows. It has already moved beyond the point of giving Kenny a list of demands, thus the need to completely refuse to work with him. |
| _________________________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:37am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] BornSoVile said:Nick, you havn't expressed any interest in this at all until now and they only thing you've done is put down the efforts of everyone. We don't need or want your suggestions. I am asking you very nicely to not post about this topic if it bothers you that much. Thank you. How is asking that as part of your boycott, you make it clear what your goal would be...how is that "putting down people's efforts", pray tell? |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:38am - ArrowHead nli ""] By the way, Taste of Silver, I love how you took the time to quote and rebut every statement there except mine. Notice how your own words landed you on our list? Why are you still flailing? Is it THAT hard for you to embrace it? Josh, add the fucking kids band to the list of people who won't deal with Kenny again, and eventually some day he might get it. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:40am - brian_dc ""] DeOdiumMortis said:brian_dc said:I do see Nick's point...but I also think that gathering a list of bands who will not work with Kenny isn't totally useless. I don't think it's a formation of a clique or a mob. Way to remain neutral! nah, I just see where he's coming from...it's idealistic but not realistic in this case. I'm not agreeing with him this time, because there's no way that his suggestions are going to happen. None of us are likely to work with Kenny and demand that he shape up so we can work with him. The point is that we don't want to work with him again and make other bands aware of what he does. We can work with other promoters or put on shows on our own and not worry about Kenny (ironically enough). again, my point of starting this thread was to get some awareness out there...not to start a pissing match...but it's a messageboard so whatever. |
| _________________________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:40am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] ArrowHead nli said:By the way, Taste of Silver, I love how you took the time to quote and rebut every statement there except mine. Notice how your own words landed you on our list? Why are you still flailing? Is it THAT hard for you to embrace it? Josh, add the fucking kids band to the list of people who won't deal with Kenny again, and eventually some day he might get it. Adding my band would make this whole thing a farce. You do realize there's 2 other guys besides me in it, right? Whatever they choose to do is their own business. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:41am - BornSoVile ""] This is what I have done, I have communicated several times via phone/email to tour managers who book to him sent a full email with a report on negilent actions about the neuraxis show and followed it up with a phone call to steve carr, the man who get's kenny the venues. i've established contact prior to every kenny show with touring bands giving them a heads up about his actions. that's what I'm doing, what about you? |
| _________________________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:42am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] BornSoVile said:This is what I have done, I have communicated several times via phone/email to tour managers who book to him sent a full email with a report on negilent actions about the neuraxis show and followed it up with a phone call to steve carr, the man who get's kenny the venues. i've established contact prior to every kenny show with touring bands giving them a heads up about his actions. that's what I'm doing, what about you? I haven't worked with him since that Neuraxis show. According to you, that and that alone oughta do the trick. |
| __________________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:44am - BestialOnslaught ""] BestialOnslaught said:If you're not trying to organize a boycott and you've never organized a boycott before, why the hell would you be an authority on how to run a boycott? Why the hell would anyone care for your input on the subject? |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:45am - DeOdiumMortis ""] brian_dc said: nah, I just see where he's coming from...it's idealistic but not realistic in this case. I'm not agreeing with him this time, because there's no way that his suggestions are going to happen. None of us are likely to work with Kenny and demand that he shape up so we can work with him. The point is that we don't want to work with him again and make other bands aware of what he does. We can work with other promoters or put on shows on our own and not worry about Kenny (ironically enough). again, my point of starting this thread was to get some awareness out there...not to start a pissing match...but it's a messageboard so whatever. Twas kidding. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:46am - ArrowHead nli ""] the_taste_of_cigarettes said: Adding my band would make this whole thing a farce. You do realize there's 2 other guys besides me in it, right? Whatever they choose to do is their own business. So wait, which are you gonna do when they're offered a Kenny show and they both want to do it? You gonna quit yer band, or are you going to show that you're spineless and cave in after you just said you won't do business with Kenny? See, I see a problem here, nick. You like to throw words around, but I really think there's not one ounce of conviction in them. Your point has been explained invalid numerous times. You're just here to argue, aren't you? |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:47am - BornSoVile ""] the goal is to have him stop booking shows, we're getting there, i don't understand how you missed that after nearly a YEAR discontent on here. you want us to make a list? that happens at every fucking show, you have a list of accomodations/requirments needed for each band and he fucks it up and lies about it. I've already sent him the list of bands boycotting him, that's the consequence from him fucking everyone over. everything is fine nick, you're critical judgement is not needed here. thanks for offering though. |
| _________________________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:50am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] BestialOnslaught said:BestialOnslaught said:If you're not trying to organize a boycott and you've never organized a boycott before, why the hell would you be an authority on how to run a boycott? Why the hell would anyone care for your input on the subject? I am just speaking common sense. Countless passive poltiical actions fail all the time because it is unclear to the person / business / etc what is going on. If no one says "Hey Kenny, there is a boycott for this reason and they want you to do this thing" then nothing changes. A boycott with a goal, where someone says "Dear Kenny, these bands will not work with you anymore. We have cited that you have neglected to pay bands (you were made aware that you had stiffed them and showed no remorse), you have failed to orgnaize shows properly and in accordance to the ways and methods you agreed to do so, and you have shown an incredily lassez-faire approach to something that requires a pro-active avenue. For this, we all ask that you discontinue to promote shows.We feel you are unfit for this line of work. " Things like that go the distance. Frankly, what I just wrote up is the wrong way because if you were Kenny, would you just abandon doing something you like because you were intimidated? It's possible he will feel that if he does he'll be seen as a coward and stand his ground on the issue. He may feel he has done nothing wrong. At any rate, I expect that I've said all I can on the subject. I'm going to leave you guys to organize your rally and I hope ganging up on someone without providing any recourse goes well. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:53am - BornSoVile ""] A boycott with a goal, where someone says "Dear Kenny, these bands will not work with you anymore. We have cited that you have neglected to pay bands (you were made aware that you had stiffed them and showed no remorse), you have failed to orgnaize shows properly and in accordance to the ways and methods you agreed to do so, and you have shown an incredily lassez-faire approach to something that requires a pro-active avenue. For this, we all ask that you discontinue to promote shows.We feel you are unfit for this line of work. " I already did this back in September. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:55am - ArrowHead nli ""] Again, get the word BOYCOTT out of your head. Brian has told you probably 5 times now that he used the word mistakenly. Josh has made a list of all the bands who will no longer work with kenny. Hopefully, bands will see the list, see other bands they respect on there, and think twice about booking with Kenny. It's that simple. This is not politics. This is not a movement. This is Kenny Lanning having more and more trouble finding bands that will work with him. He's already proven he can't pay out on nationals, and now he's fucked locally. Kenny's done, it's in very little part due to Josh's list. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 2:00am - horror_tang ""] I have no clue who Kenny is and I probably never will. I say everyone do as they please. Boycott him, beat him, sodomize him, have a lunch counter sit-in, a father-son talk or any other number of options. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 2:01am - ArrowHead nli ""] horror_tang said:I have no clue who Kenny is and I probably never will. A good start would be to try reading the thread! There's lots of info here on who he is. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 2:10am - horror_tang ""] I mean on a personal level. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 2:31am - ArrowHead nli ""] He looks kinda like a cross between Squiggy from laverne and shirley, and little joey lawrence, but with way less teeth. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 2:43am - horror_tang ""] [img] |
| ____________________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 9:59am - SKEET SKEET SKEET ""] THREAD FULL OF DRAMA QUEENS |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 10:11am - dreadkill ""] i hate this thread. if people want to boycott something, let them do it. it's obvious the bands have given kenny more than enough chances to prove himself and he continually fucked them over. anyone who doesn't understand that and accept the fact that they are boycotting him is a fucking retard. it's very simple. i don't think they need to justify it to kenny or to taste of cigarettes. in a perfect world, everything would work the way nick is suggesting, but the world is far from perfect, so it's not going to happen. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 10:14am - dreadkill ""] once again, as it was in the black metal threads, nick is acting like lisa simpson. |
| _____________________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 12:13pm - SKEET SKEET SKEET ""] [img] |
| ______________________________ [Dec 19,2005 12:25pm - mOe ""] ArrowHead nli said:By the way, it hurts my ego to see Josh getting all the credit for boycotting Kenny. It was me that started that shit, nigger! uuuhhhhhh......yeeeeaaahhhh, riiiiiiggghht....great way to make a pretty decent movement seem ignorant |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 12:27pm - ArrowHead nli ""] mOe said:ArrowHead nli said:By the way, it hurts my ego to see Josh getting all the credit for boycotting Kenny. It was me that started that shit, nigger! uuuhhhhhh......yeeeeaaahhhh, riiiiiiggghht....great way to make a pretty decent movement seem ignorant Who the hell are you? What movement are you talking about? Great way for you to jump on a bandwagon, when you've got no idea what the hell you're talking about. |
| ______________________________ [Dec 19,2005 12:36pm - mOe ""] the boycott Kenny movement, douchebag |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 12:40pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""] [img] |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 12:43pm - ArrowHead nli ""] mOe said:the boycott Kenny movement, douchebag Now try reading the whole thread. Brian DC called it a boycott. It's NOT. It's a list of bands that started when Pillory refused to do anymore shows with Kenny after Sausagefest and the Depised Icon show. There's no movement. Josh is making all kinds of efforts, but he's pretty alone on that one. The rest of us couldn't be bothered to ACTIVELY persue fucking this kid. We'd just rather spread the word and watch him find less and less bands willing to work with him. Now that I've explained myself AGAIN in the same damned thread even, would you care to explain YOUR point? |
| _______________________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 12:50pm - MorbidMike BMR Bass ""] BornSoVile said:BANDS BOYCOTTING KENNY AS A RESULT OF BEING RIPPED OFF Abhorred Burn in Silence Burn My Remains Cryptic Warning December Wolves Defyunlearn.com Dehumanized Dissector Dour Cursiva Extinction Agenda Goratory It Will End in Pure Horror Neuraxis Pillory Rigor Mortis Sacreligion Sexcrement Teratism Terminally, Your Aborted Ghost The Departed Throwing Shrapnel It's not to late to join! I want to say FUCKING RIGHT JOSH It's glad to finally be aboard!!! |
| ______________________________ [Dec 19,2005 12:52pm - mOe ""] HAH, wow thats how ignorant you are...you dont even knoww hat you did...this is why i will NEVER take a majority of the posters here seriously. "Hey get down on this cause..help the scene... blah blah blah... NIGGER" Give me a break, and no i dont care if you were joking |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 12:54pm - ArrowHead nli ""] Wow, offended by a word. Pathetic. Because I really used it in context of calling Josh a black man, and in a derogatory way too. Dumb nigger. |
| ______________________________ [Dec 19,2005 12:56pm - mOe ""] OH, I's sorry fo' offendin you missah' white man, i's didn' know you's didnt mean it dat way... ignorance is a great way to unite the scene...well, on the RTTP message board anyway |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 12:57pm - dreadkill ""] the vagina levels are running high in this thread. it's as bad as watching the view. |
| ______________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:01pm - Yeti ""] i still say Kenny Lanning is Andy Milonakis in a skinny suit |
| _____________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:01pm - mOe ""] yea, being offended by racism is wicked gay, d00d |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:03pm - ArrowHead nli ""] Actually, that comment was not racist in any way. You need to get over yourself. Sad part? I AM racist, and still meant nothing by that comment. Politically correctness is ANOTHER great way to ruin the scene....well on the RTTP board anyway. Go change your tampon. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:04pm - dreadkill ""] moe, i wasn't talking about you when i posted my last comment. i was generalizing the thread. too much whining in general. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:06pm - dreadkill ""] ArrowHead nli said: Politically correctness is ANOTHER great way to ruin the scene. definitely. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:06pm - SacreligionNLI ""] dreadkill said:the sand levels are running high in this vagina. it's as bad as fucking rock salt. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:07pm - ArrowHead nli ""] SacreligionNLI said:dreadkill said:the sand levels are running high in this vagina. it's as bad as fucking rock salt. Man, that was sexist! You might offend someone. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:08pm - dreadkill ""] SacreligionNLI said:dreadkill said:the sand levels are running high in this vagina. it's as bad as fucking rock salt. indeed |
| _____________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:09pm - mOe ""] hey arrowhead, do you play for a band i wanna make sure i never see you guys, |
| _____________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:10pm - mOe ""] since we're all in a boycotting mood |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:10pm - dreadkill ""] ArrowHead nli said:SacreligionNLI said:dreadkill said:the sand levels are running high in this vagina. it's as bad as fucking rock salt. Man, that was sexist! You might offend someone. i was offended by you calling him sexist. comments like that are ruining our RTTP utopia. :stupidflanders: |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:11pm - ArrowHead nli ""] Only said what band I'm in three or four posts ago. Try reading sometime. Otherwise, get off the forum and try using a telephone. So sad, people like yourself fighting against every ignorance and injustice in the world while completely ignoring their own. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:12pm - ArrowHead nli ""] dreadkill said:ArrowHead nli said: i was offended by you calling him sexist. comments like that are ruining our RTTP utopia. :stupidflanders: Well, I'm offended you're offended. That's it! Boycott RTTP. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:15pm - SacreligionNLI ""] that's it...everyone's being sent to principal victoria's tolerance camps! |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 1:18pm - ArrowHead nli ""] So.... Pete's a racist Moe's a vagina Sac and Dreadkill are sexist. What kind of hole of human filth IS this board!? |