where's the outrage?[views:34173][posts:231]____________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 8:11pm - BornSoVile ""] Right back at yah Jake! I love politics and America so naturally I do enjoy taking 10 of you fuckers on. The problem with the internet is that ball busting never ever comes off nearly as funny as opposed to being at the bar. I am forgetting something though, RIP Pfc. Kristian Menchaca, 23, of Houston, and Pfc. Thomas L. Tucker, 25, of Madras, Ore. I'll drink to that. |
| ________________________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 8:14pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] haha sure bubb sure |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 8:17pm - anonymous ""] too many names to write, and discluding anyone from the battalion would be disrespectful.... RIP too all fallen members of 1-503rd Earned in blood, and Ill drink to the hope of good fortune too all of us in the new 1-9 when this battalion goes for its second deployment |
| _______________________________ [Jun 22,2006 8:17pm - hoser ""] BornSoVile said:Right back at yah Jake! I love politics and America so naturally I do enjoy taking 10 of you fuckers on. The problem with the internet is that ball busting never ever comes off nearly as funny as opposed to being at the bar. I am forgetting something though, RIP Pfc. Kristian Menchaca, 23, of Houston, and Pfc. Thomas L. Tucker, 25, of Madras, Ore. I'll drink to that. Semper Fi.....this battle's over. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 8:18pm - BornSoVile ""] Everyone can kiss my ass, but I'm nominating Hoser to lead the militia when it happens. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 8:20pm - anonymous ""] haha Hoser, that crazy bastard... Ill follow you into battle anytime brother. Oh and I didnt have the time to bring it up before.. but please tell me you wernt an officer haha |
| _______________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 8:43pm - hung_to_bleed ""] We all love a good fight. The proof is in the fact that this thread has, in just 2 days, reached over 1000 views and nearly 300 posts. I'd still smoke a bowl or drink a beer with anyone I've insulted and/or been insulted by here. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 9:02pm - anonymous ""] Id say this is pretty much what everyone agrees on.[img] Over and out whores.-Kevin |
| _______________________________ [Jun 22,2006 9:16pm - hoser ""] anonymous said:haha Hoser, that crazy bastard... Ill follow you into battle anytime brother. Oh and I didnt have the time to bring it up before.. but please tell me you wernt an officer haha E5....Sgt. DeWire....2/2 Echo Co......look me up on military.com 2nd Platoon....0311 Rifleman Somalia Liberia Yugoslavia / Bosnia / Herzegovina Iraq Haiti I've been there a few times......hahahahahaha......NCO |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 9:20pm - anonymous ""] Holy shit, you've seen some shit. I figured you wernt an officer because most officers dont seem to be the death metal types. But we got one LT in the scout platoon who is from Worcester and is into Metal. So you never know. Take it easy bro. |
| _______________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 9:22pm - hung_to_bleed ""] damn, hoser saw some heat. |
| _______________________________ [Jun 22,2006 9:24pm - hoser ""] anonymous said:Holy shit, you've seen some shit. I figured you wernt an officer because most officers dont seem to be the death metal types. But we got one LT in the scout platoon who is from Worcester and is into Metal. So you never know. Take it easy bro. 1992-2000.....a few years. I'm all done now....Married and getting fatter by the second. |
| _______________________________ [Jun 22,2006 9:26pm - hoser ""] I live in a lag cabin in Maine....far away. I hate heated conversations....I got pissed....sorry guys. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 9:56pm - PatMeebles ""] The media is not going to milk this story one bit. They're too hyped up on nihilism and relativism in order to see that what happened to these marines is bad. Underwear and shocked testicles = Human rights abuse front page story. Two Marines having their eyes gouged out while they're alive, followed by beheading = Page B12. What's worse about these two incidents from both sides of the war is that the media and the left seem to refuse to admit what makes our side better than the terrorists. When Abu Ghraib happens, everyone INCLUDING the military gets outraged and prosecutes those guilty soldiers to the fullest extent of the law. When 7 Rangers and a Navy officer execute an Iraqi man, they're prosecuted and our side gets outraged. However, when terrorists do to two Marines horrible things that make Abu Ghraib look like, well, underwear on the head, the insurgents CHEER. It's in their playbook to do these horrific and inhumane act. Where we still have horrible acts, we don't condone them. Where terrorists do horrific acts that are 10 times worse, it's CELEBRATED! That's why I'm so outraged by this. And why do you think that Marines should be able to "take" this?! What do you think this is, Kurt Russel in "Soldier?!" Marines are not trained to be unemotional robots. They are human beings, and they have a bond that most of us don't have here at home with other people. They might as well have a family member die. If your dad was a cop, and he was killed in the line of duty in Roxbury, are you just going to say "Well, he knew the risks, so there's no need for me to get angry. Hell, I bet he wouldn't mind me skipping his funeral." What if he was mutilated beyond recognition? This is why the Marines are especially mad at this instance; not only did their friends die, but what happened to them was so barbaric that it should be beyond the debate of "should we care." And to think, people get more worked up about 1/10 of the horror because it's done by our side. Goddamn hypocrisy makes me sick... |
| ________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 11:09pm - hoser ""] Good post man.....What I wish that I were smart enough to say. Amen dude. |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 11:23pm - anonymous ""] Pat Meebles, where the hell have you been this whole debate. Thanks for perfectly articulating what the grunts have been trying to say in our own way-Kevin |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 11:26pm - pam nli ""] Well (and I am absolute LEFT) I totally agree that we are better than those monsters, I get fucking furious over our guys being beheaded. We are better because we don't cut peoples fucking heads off. Do you think the left doesn't agree with that? Or am I missing what you were trying to say? Because I don't think any leftie would disagree that we are better people than those fucking animals. I don't think every right winger is a fucking lunatic like Ann Coulter or O'Reilly, so don't think every left winger is like HailTheLeaf, ya know? I think the Abu Ghraib thing was blown up so much because when people, normal everyday people, think of our military, they think of them as noble people, and what those soldiers did was less than noble, and the media loves a SCANDAL. There's no scandal in those barbaric fucks acting the way they do...it's expected. I'm not sure the punishment should have been so severe for those soldiers, but I do think they should have been punished. I think the worst part is that with these people having no fucking souls, it bothers the hell out of me that with all we do, they can still saw off someones fucking head on TV. We can't do that, we're fighting people that don't even give a shit if they die. It's fucked up. I guess what I'm trying to say is good point. ;) |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 11:41pm - anonymous ""] The punishment was way to severe, if being humiliated infront of other people were tantamount to torture, then every drill sergeant ever in the history of the US Army would be in prison. -Kevin |
| ________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 11:54pm - hoser ""] pam nli said:Well (and I am absolute LEFT) I totally agree that we are better than those monsters, I get fucking furious over our guys being beheaded. We are better because we don't cut peoples fucking heads off. Do you think the left doesn't agree with that? Or am I missing what you were trying to say? Because I don't think any leftie would disagree that we are better people than those fucking animals. I don't think every right winger is a fucking lunatic like Ann Coulter or O'Reilly, so don't think every left winger is like HailTheLeaf, ya know? I think the Abu Ghraib thing was blown up so much because when people, normal everyday people, think of our military, they think of them as noble people, and what those soldiers did was less than noble, and the media loves a SCANDAL. There's no scandal in those barbaric fucks acting the way they do...it's expected. I'm not sure the punishment should have been so severe for those soldiers, but I do think they should have been punished. I think the worst part is that with these people having no fucking souls, it bothers the hell out of me that with all we do, they can still saw off someones fucking head on TV. We can't do that, we're fighting people that don't even give a shit if they die. It's fucked up. I guess what I'm trying to say is good point. ;) I think I'm in love.... |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 23,2006 12:04am - brian_dc ""] pam nli said: I think the Abu Ghraib thing was blown up so much because when people, normal everyday people, think of our military, they think of them as noble people, and what those soldiers did was less than noble, and the media loves a SCANDAL. There's no scandal in those barbaric fucks acting the way they do...it's expected. I'm not sure the punishment should have been so severe for those soldiers, but I do think they should have been punished. I read every single piece of legal document associated with Abu Ghraib for a huge paper I wrote this past semester...that whole situation was just fucked up. Seriously, that place was a goddamn disaster. I do wish that people could empathize with more perspectives though. To their culture, those people aren't barbaric. It's just a matter of what we value being a lot different from what they value. I don't know, I'm not really in the mood for a rant on my personal feelings on violence so I'm just going to quit while this post basically says nothing. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 23,2006 12:10am - pam nli ""] I don't see a thing wrong with Iraqi's or Muslims, they're different people and I'm fine with that. I understand that what those soldiers did was terrible, but you can't tell me that the fundamentalist lunatics that are cutting off innocent reporter's heads on fucking TV aren't barbaric. I don't give a shit what they THINK they are or are not, it takes a sick fucking person to saw off someones head, ya know? |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 23,2006 12:11am - RichHorror ""] No it doesn't. |
| _______________________________ [Jun 23,2006 12:15am - nick ""] this thread sucks~! http://myspace.com/theaupair <--- |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 23,2006 12:15am - PatMeebles ""] pam nli said:Well (and I am absolute LEFT) I totally agree that we are better than those monsters, I get fucking furious over our guys being beheaded. We are better because we don't cut peoples fucking heads off. Do you think the left doesn't agree with that? Or am I missing what you were trying to say? Because I don't think any leftie would disagree that we are better people than those fucking animals. I don't think every right winger is a fucking lunatic like Ann Coulter or O'Reilly, so don't think every left winger is like HailTheLeaf, ya know? I think the Abu Ghraib thing was blown up so much because when people, normal everyday people, think of our military, they think of them as noble people, and what those soldiers did was less than noble, and the media loves a SCANDAL. There's no scandal in those barbaric fucks acting the way they do...it's expected. I'm not sure the punishment should have been so severe for those soldiers, but I do think they should have been punished. I think the worst part is that with these people having no fucking souls, it bothers the hell out of me that with all we do, they can still saw off someones fucking head on TV. We can't do that, we're fighting people that don't even give a shit if they die. It's fucked up. I guess what I'm trying to say is good point. ;) It's all in what's reported and how much. Go to Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch's websites. AI's first article on it's home page is about detention centers (and if you don't think it's a direct reference to Gitmo, then you're very naive) I admit, those on the right would obviously push the story of the two marines more than Abu Ghraib. But, as referrenced above, I think it's the right way of reporting. The enemy is so much more barbaric than we are, and our reaction to our own crimes is, in my opinion, correct: We believe that all those crimes committed by handfuls of soldiers are bad and should be punished, but we don't believe they should be played nearly as much as now because they are a very small part of what happens in Iraq (they should be known about, obviously), and they don't represent at all what the whole military is like. However, the terrorist acts against the Iraqi people and the two Marines are COMPLETELY in step with the entire insurgency, and represent everything that the isurgency is about, which is why terrorist tactics and attacks should be played a lot more in the press. To answer your original point, lefties like you and (to a slightly lesser extent) ShadowSD are like moderate muslims; we know you're out there and you greatly outnumber the Hail the Leafs, DailyKos and Democratic Underground assholes 100-1. However, just like moderate muslims, you don't speak out enough, and eventually Hail the Leaf is all I'm hearing. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 23,2006 12:15am - brian_dc ""] Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, there are totally clear examples of "this is fucking barbaric" kind of behavior. In general, anything beyond eye for an eye that isn't clearly defined as some sort of "official action" appears to be, and is, barbaric. I just have my issues trying to figure out how much of what is considered "official" or "acceptable" should be reconsidered as barbaric. |
| _______________________________________ [Jun 23,2006 7:54am - hung_to_bleed ""] pam nli said: I think the worst part is that with these people having no fucking souls, it bothers the hell out of me that with all we do, they can still saw off someones fucking head on TV. We can't do that, we're fighting people that don't even give a shit if they die. It's fucked up. Amen. With all that we do that may be considered fucked up, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that they are sub human when sized up to us for reasons such as cutting off a live man's head, and how they treat their women like fucking livestock. That's why I am all for killing them fuckers and sending them where they pray to be. |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 23,2006 8:59am - Scoracrasia ""] George Bush rules because of his fucked up laugh. Plus he eats kittens. [img] |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 23,2006 9:19am - Josh_Martin ""] hoser said:http://www.army.mil/CMH/faq/salute.htm So WWW can see what a 21 gun salute is. Holy shit, Hoser won a point. I think Hell just froze over. |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 23,2006 9:37am - the_reverend ""] and it only took 200 posts |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 23,2006 9:40am - RichHorror ""] It's a fine art. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 23,2006 2:16pm - anonymous ""] Those soldiers had their balls cut off and put into their mouths is the word going around Fort Carson today. |
| _______________________________ [Jun 23,2006 2:42pm - hoser ""] I think that Josh is stalking me online..... |