Read this convo with Joe of New England Concerts & OIV in regards to Mark's showplace. I ask for us to be a comunity and boycott these fuckers.
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[Jul 25,2007 8:09pm - the_reverend ""]
log out to say that.
and pete: they go out because they feel safe they won't be caught
[Jul 25,2007 8:34pm - powerkok ""]
LAZ is a fucking kickass death metal band. They seem to get the shaft a lot, when it comes to this type of shit.
When HCN and LAZ would play at Marks, on seperate, and the same occasion, there would be times when we would play without selling a single ticket, and get a better slot.
It was always like 'Do we need tix or....'
As far as the naysayers......eat shit, you try to do that while maintaining a ft job. 'Industry' HAHAHAHAHa thats funny.
The industry is in LA and NYC and consists of which slut will be the new Britney.
Thats all.
And I fucking mean it.
Ohh and LAZ pwns.
[Jul 25,2007 11:59pm - Nick Watchmaker ""]
has any shitty local metal band that ever opened a show at marks ever amounted to anything ever? fuck marks. fuck bernie. fuck pay to play and fuck you!
[Jul 26,2007 12:22am - sxealex ""]
here here! and fuck me im a cockass.
[Jul 26,2007 1:04am - why ""]
this is a great idea! all you dipshit local bands that suck should definately boycott! then i wont have to listen to your unoriginal,uninspired,unremarkable shit anymore!
i dont understand why anyone thinks they are entitled to play at all nevermind get paid to
[Jul 26,2007 1:14am - sxealex ""]
"we" are entitled to play because without local bands ur selling a one band show in east bumfuck. without local bands you have no scene. without a scene you have no customers. you are but leaves on this tree stop fucking with the roots.
[Jul 26,2007 1:20am - sxealex ""]
ps a formal boycott is not required just dont pay to play. period.
[Jul 26,2007 1:24am - timjohn ""]
this thread is lol... a lot of wrong and a lot of right. oh well
[Jul 26,2007 1:24am - why ""]
i for one would rather see one great band regardless of the distance than one good one and 4 or 5 that suck.
you're not the roots of anything thats inconcievably stupid of you to say.
and its not like you are really paying to play, you're buying tickets to sell that ensure that the band everyone actually wants to see will get paid and maybe even return
you should be thankful to even get that,and if you spent half as much time trying to sell the tickets as you do crying online about selling tickets it would be a nonissue
the only thing you'll accomplish by boycotting is that the good bands won't come at all and every night will be local shitfest night
[Jul 26,2007 1:26am - why ""]
and maybe if you're band didnt suck you would be able to sell some tickets,jerkoff
[Jul 26,2007 1:30am - anonymous ""]
why said:i for one would rather see one great band regardless of the distance than one good one and 4 or 5 that suck.
you're not the roots of anything thats inconcievably stupid of you to say.
and its not like you are really paying to play, you're buying tickets to sell that ensure that the band everyone actually wants to see will get paid and maybe even return
you should be thankful to even get that,and if you spent half as much time trying to sell the tickets as you do crying online about selling tickets it would be a nonissue
the only thing you'll accomplish by boycotting is that the good bands won't come at all and every night will be local shitfest night
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[Jul 26,2007 1:32am - wtf ""]
why said:and maybe if you're band didnt suck you would be able to sell some tickets,jerkoff
You're mad because you used to be in Asystole. :middlefinger:
[Jul 26,2007 1:41am - boine ""]
sick mosh i liked when that one guy bumped into the other fucking brutal
[Jul 26,2007 1:41am - timjohn ""]
posting anonymously is pretty much the lowest of the low. you reeeaaally suck if that is how you defend yourself.
btw your argument blows because your band is horrid and it's all about the musiccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc
[Jul 26,2007 1:59am - why ""]
uh oh,someones threatening my fragile rockstar self image,
better start with the insults and bullshit instead of admitting you're wrong
[Jul 26,2007 3:40am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""]
bottom line is charging bands to play is a scam, hands-down.
All these fake posters claiming "It works!" are further proof how far these scam artists will go to take your money and mine. Sxealex and I have seen America and played literally hundreds of shows nationwide without paying to a promoter one lousy fucking cent for any of it. So can you, so don't believe these lies and scams.
Preying on bands is really fucked up...even shit bands just want to make some music.
[Jul 26,2007 7:16am - lfaz_nli ""]
I appreciate everyone that supports us and took our side in this bullshit, but we should have handled correspondance with this club far more professionally. That is all.
[Jul 26,2007 7:59am - toc nli ""]
lfaz_nli said:I appreciate everyone that supports us and took our side in this bullshit, but we should have handled correspondance with this club far more professionally. That is all.
oh definitely, you should never be the one to start a fight if you can help it.
However, that doesn't excuse the fact that they're trying to swindle people.
[Jul 26,2007 9:21am - DestroyYouAlot ""]
why said:you're not the roots of anything thats inconcievably stupid of you to say. and its not like you are really paying to play, you're buying tickets to sell that ensure that the band everyone actually wants to see will get paid and maybe even return
you should be thankful to even get that,and if you spent half as much time trying to sell the tickets as you do crying online about selling tickets it would be a nonissue
Fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you you clueless retard. I don't know if you're in a band, but if you don't deserve to get paid for your performance, than go practice and get the fuck off the message boards. Local bands that actually support (i.e., comprise the entire whole of) the metal scene deserve to get paid for their time and effort the same as any other professional musician does. Stop sucking some methed-up assbag promoter's dick and come up for air; you'll smell the bullshit better that way.
Edited for missing apostrophe.
[Jul 26,2007 9:29am - goatcatalyst ""]
this thread is 118 posts of butt-hurt
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take a load off
[Jul 26,2007 9:35am - DestroyYouAlot ""]
goatcatalyst said:this thread is 118 posts of butt-hurt
take a load off
For the win!
[Jul 26,2007 9:42am - hungtableed ""]
Any promoter who feels the necissity to have local openers sell 50-75 so that they can feel comfortable knowing they'll have the $ to pay the national, shouldn't be in the business of booking shows. See "Promoter". Promoting the show is his fucking job, even though 10 out 10 times the bands STILL promote the balls out of their own gigs. Our job is to bring the live music, not sell the place out for the club to fill their fat pockets. We just returned our tickets for the Nile show and told them we do not/will not partake in "paying to play". Fuck these fags.
[Jul 26,2007 9:51am - FuckIsMySignature ""]
IMO - Pay to play only works when you have a large consistent supply of rich friends. i dont understand how clubs like this can expect you to sell tickets for saayy...$20? or so and then do this every weekend (sometimes twice) without completely bleeding their fanbase dry of funds. Also the other problem is that you have to collect all the money before hand from people for the tickets which turns to a complete fucking fiasco that only results in everyone getting pissed of. Personally, my main concern when playing shows is not getting 100-1000 people in the door but rather putting on a memorable and fun show for the people who do come to check it out.
[Jul 26,2007 9:55am - hung_to_bleed ""]
I'd feel like a fucking loser selling my friends $20 tickets when they can come over my house, with a $20 case of beer or handle of whiskey, and watch us for free....even sometimes grilling dead animal in between songs.
[Jul 26,2007 9:56am - largefreakatzero ""]
toc nli said:lfaz_nli said:I appreciate everyone that supports us and took our side in this bullshit, but we should have handled correspondance with this club far more professionally. That is all.
oh definitely, you should never be the one to start a fight if you can help it.
However, that doesn't excuse the fact that they're trying to swindle people.
I think it's the spelling errors that are bothering me more than anything. And shit -- I spelled "correspondence" incorrectly above.
[Jul 26,2007 9:58am - DestroyYouAlot ""]
largefreakatzero said:toc nli said:lfaz_nli said:I appreciate everyone that supports us and took our side in this bullshit, but we should have handled correspondance with this club far more professionally. That is all.
oh definitely, you should never be the one to start a fight if you can help it.
However, that doesn't excuse the fact that they're trying to swindle people.
I think it
Heh?
[Jul 26,2007 9:58am - largefreakatzero ""]
Sorry I had an "enter" button spasm.
[Jul 26,2007 9:59am - DestroyYouAlot ""]
largefreakatzero said:Sorry I had an "enter" button spasm.
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[Jul 26,2007 10:02am - hung_to_bleed ""]
largefreakatzero said:toc nli said:lfaz_nli said:I appreciate everyone that supports us and took our side in this bullshit, but we should have handled correspondance with this club far more professionally. That is all.
oh definitely, you should never be the one to start a fight if you can help it.
However, that doesn't excuse the fact that they're trying to swindle people.
I think it's the spelling errors that are bothering me more than anything. And shit -- I spelled "correspondence" incorrectly above.
Use Firefox, it's got a spell checker feature. As long as it's a real word, you'll never post shit spelling anything incorrectly ever again.
[Jul 26,2007 10:16am - Josh_Martin ""]
Don't bother boycotting a club. There will ALWAYS be scumbag promoters pulling the pay-to-play scam. The only way it will end is if no bands fall for it. Boycott bands who pay-to-play and perpetuate this bullshit. I see too many bands who are all like "Fuck pay-to-play, man" until their favorite band gets booked at Marks or wherever and then all of the sudden pay-to-play is ok "just this once".
Fuck that.
[Jul 26,2007 10:25am - largefreakatzero ""]
hung_to_bleed said:>>
Use Firefox, it's got a spell checker feature. As long as it's a real word, you'll never post shit spelling anything incorrectly ever again. >>
I was bitching about my singer's spelling errors. I don't make spelling errors, only typos.
[Jul 26,2007 10:32am - Yeti ""]
i'm Mr. Burns blah blah blah
do this, do that blah blah blah
[Jul 26,2007 10:36am - FuckIsMySignature ""]
Josh_Martin said:...I see too many bands who are all like "Fuck pay-to-play, man" until their favorite band gets booked at Marks or wherever and then all of the sudden pay-to-play is ok "just this once".
Fuck that.
ya i we almost did that for the upcoming Nile show but ultimately decided against it. it sucks getting the "opportunity" to open for a band you are a huge fan of but it the circumstances associated with it just arent worth the trouble. especially since there's also already fucking 9 bands on the bill...which is equally retarded.
[Jul 26,2007 11:11am - metal_church101 ""]
It's Supply and Demand 101. As long as there are enough bands for venues to participate in being bent over (Pay to Play), venues and promoters will continue doing it because it is the easier for them.
In other words, if local bands are willing to do the work, let 'em.
When they have burnt all their bridges with the pay to play, they'll have to change how they do business or risk going under.
[Jul 26,2007 11:19am - hung_to_bleed ""]
When we, I guess I use the word "we" loosely", agreed to sell tickets for the Nile show I was dead set against it from the get-go. It wasn't until the rest of my band realized that selling tickets for Mark's was more like being pimped that they decided to say 'fuck it' and return all the tickets. The Anal Cunt show we got added on for Aug. 11th we were asked to sell tickets but there is no bottom line and we are not in some type of situation where we'd have to pay out of our pocket if we don't sell that bottom line. It's just a "sell as many as we can" type of deal. That's a far cry from "ummmmpphh, ok guys...sell 25 now and then give us the money and you can pick up your next 25. When you sell those (and let me remind you, you only have a week and a half) you can give us the $$ and pick up the last 25" - fuck that faggot shit.
[Jul 26,2007 11:23am - joshtruction ""]
I would pay to play certain shows. Lets say... a show that is worth it. One where there will be lots of people, and one where people can dance and have a good time. I'd pay to play something like NEMHF. Marks showplace??? Fuck that, pay to play and the only people at the show are the ones locals sold tickets to. Way to go promoters.
I think that place would be a ton better if they did 2 single things... Ditched the pay to play BS, Allowed people that go there to see shows to actually have fun. Until then I will not be stepping foot in that shithole.
[Jul 26,2007 11:23am - anonymous ""]
hung_to_bleed said:When we, I guess I use the word "we" loosely", agreed to sell tickets for the Nile show I was dead set against it from the get-go. It wasn't until the rest of my band realized that selling tickets for Mark's was more like being pimped that they decided to say 'fuck it' and return all the tickets. The Anal Cunt show we got added on for Aug. 11th we were asked to sell tickets but there is no bottom line and we are not in some type of situation where we'd have to pay out of our pocket if we don't sell that bottom line. It's just a "sell as many as we can" type of deal. That's a far cry from "ummmmpphh, ok guys...sell 25 now and then give us the money and you can pick up your next 25. When you sell those (and let me remind you, you only have a week and a half) you can give us the $$ and pick up the last 25" - fuck that faggot shit.
you should have given all the tickets away. hahahahah.
[Jul 26,2007 11:30am - hung_to_bleed ""]
anonymous said:hung_to_bleed said:When we, I guess I use the word "we" loosely", agreed to sell tickets for the Nile show I was dead set against it from the get-go. It wasn't until the rest of my band realized that selling tickets for Mark's was more like being pimped that they decided to say 'fuck it' and return all the tickets. The Anal Cunt show we got added on for Aug. 11th we were asked to sell tickets but there is no bottom line and we are not in some type of situation where we'd have to pay out of our pocket if we don't sell that bottom line. It's just a "sell as many as we can" type of deal. That's a far cry from "ummmmpphh, ok guys...sell 25 now and then give us the money and you can pick up your next 25. When you sell those (and let me remind you, you only have a week and a half) you can give us the $$ and pick up the last 25" - fuck that faggot shit.
you should have given all the tickets away. hahahahah.
We should have, and then not played of coarse. Because if we showed up to play, they would have expected $1125 from us: (75 tickets X $15 a pop).
[Jul 26,2007 11:32am - joshtruction ""]
hung_to_bleed said:anonymous said:hung_to_bleed said:When we, I guess I use the word "we" loosely", agreed to sell tickets for the Nile show I was dead set against it from the get-go. It wasn't until the rest of my band realized that selling tickets for Mark's was more like being pimped that they decided to say 'fuck it' and return all the tickets. The Anal Cunt show we got added on for Aug. 11th we were asked to sell tickets but there is no bottom line and we are not in some type of situation where we'd have to pay out of our pocket if we don't sell that bottom line. It's just a "sell as many as we can" type of deal. That's a far cry from "ummmmpphh, ok guys...sell 25 now and then give us the money and you can pick up your next 25. When you sell those (and let me remind you, you only have a week and a half) you can give us the $$ and pick up the last 25" - fuck that faggot shit.
you should have given all the tickets away. hahahahah.
We should have, and then not played of coarse. Because if we showed up to play, they would have expected $1125 from us: (75 tickets X $15 a pop).
Imagine 4 local bands all doing the same thing on the same day.... :LOL:
[Jul 26,2007 11:33am - hung_to_bleed ""]
I am 100% against paying to play. I this case of A.C. show at Rusty G's we were (1) likely to go there with a decent crew anyways because my friend lives on that street, (2) the guys there are nice as it is out local watering hole, and (3) there is no bottom line and we are not required to pay out of our pocket if we don't reach that bottom line. That's whats gay, having to sell X amount and if you don't and still want to play, fork over some loot to make up for the difference.
[Jul 26,2007 11:34am - hung_to_bleed ""]
joshtruction said:
you should have given all the tickets away. hahahahah.
We should have, and then not played of coarse. Because if we showed up to play, they would have expected $1125 from us: (75 tickets X $15 a pop).
Imagine 4 local bands all doing the same thing on the same day.... :LOL:
Wow, that'd be such a good idea for a few bands to sign on to. What a way to fuck them over big time.
[Jul 26,2007 11:36am - joshtruction ""]
Imagine... they think they are going to have a nice sold out show and tons of people show up and the ONLY cash they make is from the bar hahaha. Man that would be funny. Oh wait a second... They would just feel like the bands they butcher...
[Jul 26,2007 11:37am - da chief ""]
this thread amuses me so much and its cause i cant think of a band who posts on here who hasnt done this.
josh martin and ryan are the only straight faced motherfuckers here.
[Jul 26,2007 11:38am - DestroyYouAlot ""]
Just because you've compromised on a principle in the past doesn't mean you can't still have it.
[Jul 26,2007 11:41am - da chief ""]
DestroyYouAlot said:Just because you've compromised on a principle in the past doesn't mean you can't still have it.
ill give you that, and ill just repost this.......
Josh_Martin said:I see too many bands who are all like "Fuck pay-to-play, man" until their favorite band gets booked at Marks or wherever and then all of the sudden pay-to-play is ok "just this once".
Fuck that.
[Jul 26,2007 11:42am - DestroyYouAlot ""]
NO U
[Jul 26,2007 11:44am - joshtruction ""]
da chief said:this thread amuses me so much and its cause i cant think of a band who posts on here who hasnt done this.
josh martin and ryan are the only straight faced motherfuckers here.
Sometimes you have to learn from your mistakes. My old band played there one single time. We got our tickets 2 days before the show and still sold 25. We got there and found out kids were not allowed to dance or van damn look alikes will try throw you out. After all that we played in front of about 35-40 people. I've got paid to play basement shows with more people than this.
The promoters need to get off thier ass and promote. They need to get some local bands that have good following as support acts, and not any asshole that can sell a few tickets.
[Jul 26,2007 11:45am - da chief ""]
im sorry too much jack and coke, could you repeat yourself a lil louder next time.
i got my stereo on.
[Jul 26,2007 11:46am - metal_church101 ""]
This thread is very entertaining.
[Jul 26,2007 11:46am - Cav ""]
yea, at Marks it seems like the club has no draw so they get 10 local bands to open the show and sell tickets so that they can pay their bands. what they really should do is get 2-3 GOOD openers and actually promote their own show, instead of making shitty bands pay their nationals. 30 year old numetal bands do not belong opening for nile. the bands on this board who spend time writing music, instead of promoting their shitty band should be opening these shows. but, alas, the music "industry" sucks.
and im sure the only reason all these national bands keep coming back to this shithole are the strippers next door
