2005 NEMHF news thread[views:131090][posts:245]_____________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 4:05pm - KeithMutiny ""] APRIL 22ND is my birthday... so all you remember to bring me a gift... |
| _____________________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 5:10pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""] this year's metalfest was definitely the worst; no worthy headliners, shitty overpriced merch and a lot of dumbasses. at least i got some "bro" deals from some bands, got to see my girlfriend beat the shit out of 2 kids singlehandedly and saw a few good bands. i didn't hate the fest overall, but it wasn't my favorite. i guess i'm less picky when it comes to this stuff |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 5:53pm - intricateprocess ""] 3 days........ahh fuck............there better not be a shitty power outage again finally king diamond,finally can we get nasum this year? pretty fucking please? |
| _________________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 5:54pm - kellthevalkyrie ""] blue said:i miss the nj mhf from last november. one of the best times ive ever had. AND HOW!! minus the hotel fiasco. :spineyes: |
| __________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 5:59pm - succubus ""] oh yeah, i remember that, but some people still managed to smuggle in lol |
| __________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 6:08pm - Kalopsia ""] intricateprocess said:3 days........ahh fuck............there better not be a shitty power outage again finally king diamond,finally can we get nasum this year? pretty fucking please? can we get good bands this year? you gotta start off small man |
| _______________________________ [Nov 15,2004 10:03pm - mOe ""] i was low on dough for the nj mhf which was why i was hopeing there'd be one this year...*sighs* I'm from jersey, so i would have had free rooming and everything *shakes head* |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 10:12pm - BestialOnslaught ""] Joe/NotCommon said:the_reverend said:here's the deal, scott lee is super super busy all the time. so mailing him cds and calling doesn't always work. here's the "best way" to get a band on NEMHF... buddy up with a band that does and can get shows at the fat cat through them. that's sort of what scott does to choose the local acts. it's from the bands that play the "minor leagues" at the fat cat. Some bands don't want to buddy up with snooty metalcore bands though, they would rather just play with other snooty metal bands. Yeah... I know the guy does a lot of work, but if he is genuinely interested in representing the real "local scene" of Metal and Hardcore, he should do more to find out what is out there than simply picking whatever DIECASTFALLSENGAGE bands are hot in the heterophobic Springfield scene at the moment. WATCHMAKER is perhaps the best drawing genuine Metal band from Mass., and I'd bet money they haven't been considered - unless Willowtip has been on Scott about it. There are plenty of local Metal bands around here that have been playing for awhile and "deserve" to be on it, but it's obviously not part of their M.O. in booking this fest, so fuck it. Let's get a real Metal fest going on in Boston... |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 10:15pm - BestialOnslaught ""] Josh_Martin said:I hate when a tour I might go see ends up as part of a festival. The ticket price gets doubled and all you get for it is 25 shitty opening bands. I liked the first year when they actually got bands that weren't just coming through on tour and I finally got to see Manowar. Taking 2 or 3 package tours and calling it a festival just seems half-assed to me. A good festival should have something major that you can't see anywhere else. I went to Milwaukee in 1998. They flew in Sodom, Destruction, Mayhem. Impaled Nazarene, and Emperor (pre-homosexuality). It was also Death's first show back together, Suffocation's last show, Brutal Truth's last U.S show, AND the one band that actually was on a full tour, Mercyful Fate, didn't play New England. Now that's how you do a fucking festival. Obviously Massconcerts couldn't pull something off on that scale but they should do SOMETHING to make it special. Yeah, this is the thing I've hated about the fest, though frankly I stopped caring awhile back, cause even the touring bands on the fest weren't even worth seeing anyway. Koshick's business practices were sketchy and I never made it to one of his fests, but it's obviously worthwhile to fly 1/2 way across the country for a lot of one-off appearances from killer bands that never play in the country... So, as of now, NEMHCF has come nowhere close to booking the kind of lineups Koshick did in his hey-day in Milwaukee and New Jersey. Suckering a lot of kids into going doesn't a good fest make. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 16,2004 12:56am - dreadkill ""] blue said:i miss the nj mhf from last november. one of the best times ive ever had. i agree with you man. i had a blast at that fest last year. |
| __________________________________ [Nov 16,2004 7:29am - Kalopsia ""] dreadkill said:blue said:i miss the nj mhf from last november. one of the best times ive ever had. i agree with you man. i had a blast at that fest last year. as did i. why aren't they having one this year? |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 16,2004 9:02am - Joe/NotCommon ""] Wasnt the regular NJ fest the same weekend as the new england fest last year? I figured mass concerts did their own NJ fest to keep people from going to the normal NJ fest so they would come to the NE one. |
| __________________________________ [Nov 16,2004 9:08am - lynneaus ""] massconcerts did a NJ fest to try to branch out, as the past few years of NEMHF has sold out completely.... but the venue and their staff that was worked with last year at NJ caused more headaches than it was worth |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 16,2004 9:17am - the_reverend ""] I will not go to another MMF (yeah, watch me break that this year). I saw 72 bands one day and 54 the other.... it was 4 stages of constantly horrible sound and bands. when you think that each band there paid $1000 just to play that show... to 30 people... it sickens me. |
| _________________________________________ [Nov 16,2004 9:20am - kellthevalkyrie ""] the_reverend said:I will not go to another MMF (yeah, watch me break that this year). I saw 72 bands one day and 54 the other.... it was 4 stages of constantly horrible sound and bands. when you think that each band there paid $1000 just to play that show... to 30 people... it sickens me. I agree. The Koshik fests just aren't as good as they used to be. I haven't been to Milwaukee since 02'.....I think that's the last time I went to the NJ Koskik fest as well.... |
| _________________________________________ [Nov 16,2004 9:22am - kellthevalkyrie ""] succubus said:oh yeah, i remember that, but some people still managed to smuggle in lol Yeah, I think we had about 10 people in our room! HA! We learned how to smuggle through the side door. It sucks, because we went into such a panic when we checked in and they only gave us two of those wrist bands or whatever. But it all worked out. The hall we stayed in....destroyed. |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 16,2004 9:26am - blue nli ""] that was soooo awesome. it was uber cool sneaking in an being all badass. word! |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 16,2004 10:38am - dreadkill ""] my friends and i tried to go to a party in that hotel with peter tagtgren and alexi laiho and a couple of other dudes and tagtgren was asking security why they wouldn't let us in and they told him it was because no one had wristbands, but i like to think they wouldn't let him in because he's ugly. that makes the story better. also, don't take that as a knock on tagtgren, he is one of my favorites, but he is really ugly. |
| ________________________________________ [Nov 16,2004 10:38am - Joe/NotCommon ""] my fest is going to be better |
| _______________________________ [Nov 18,2004 6:29am - BAD3F ""] the fest is good & all, always decent lineups... but what the hell happened to the fest of a few years back. i haven't gone in 2yrs. ends up one sweaty mess all the time, and you always miss the bands you want to see. i think it's gotten too "big" not in a mainstream sense so much as a people attending sense. need to divide it up, or maybe have the lesser known bands play at a completely dif time/venue. who knows, but it doesn't work anymore.. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 8:37am - JayTUS ""] I think this pretty much goes without saying, but Massconcerts can't really afford to fly in a bunch of bands for one off shows because the capacity at the Palladium is only 2200, and at the end of the day, they don't do this fest to break even. That is why so many NE bands play and why tour packages always end up being a part of the lineup. It just makes sense. A lot of people said Killswitch Engage didn't make sense as a headliner last year, but out of the bands playing, who did? Arch Enemy? Please. KSE is well on their way to headlining bigger venues status, and were at the time as well. We're just not used to them being viewed the way they are nationally because we remember seeing them play VFW's in front of 15 people like any other band. Same thing goes with Shadows Fall and Unearth. You may not like the sound, but it is popular, and at the end of the day, popularity drives your "headlining status." Keeping people in the room means more $$$ on beer sales and all that jazz, so whoever is going to keep people in the room is going to go on later (for the most part). I thought the NJMHF was awesome except for the fact that no one went. If the Palladium was like that, they could do so much more because they could pack 4000-5000 people into the place. But the more bands they fly in and all that stuff, the higher the ticket price is going to go, and the more people will bitch about paying all this money for one or two bands... |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 8:53am - the_reverend ""] I see you're point (though I don't think kse was a good headliner). I vote we take over the construction lot beside the palladium and build this 5000 person thingie you are talking about. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 2:30pm - retzam ""] the_reverend said:I see you're point (though I don't think kse was a good headliner). I vote we take over the construction lot beside the palladium and build this 5000 person thingie you are talking about. I'm in. |
| ______________________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 4:50pm - sealed_with_a_Bullet ""] I don't know why they cant use worcester memorial auditorium down the street for a main stage and palladium for a second or even the centrum. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 5:11pm - retzam ""] The centrum is a little big for a second stage at a metalfest in this day and age, don't you think? |
| ______________________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 5:13pm - sealed_with_a_Bullet ""] No the centrum for the main stage. The centrum even has their function hall for a second stage. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 5:15pm - retzam ""] oooohhh okay, my mistake |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 5:17pm - Justin ACR ""] BANDS THAT ARE RUMORED SO FAR: King Diamond, Cryptopsy, Hypocrisy, Behemoth, Nightwish, Nile, The Black Dahlia Murder Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing King Diamond, Cryptopsy w/ Lord Worm, Hypocrisy, and fuckin Behemoth. The other bands I listed aren't too bad either! |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 5:45pm - BestialOnslaught ""] JayTUS said:I think this pretty much goes without saying, but Massconcerts can't really afford to fly in a bunch of bands for one off shows because the capacity at the Palladium is only 2200, and at the end of the day, they don't do this fest to break even. That is why so many NE bands play and why tour packages always end up being a part of the lineup. It just makes sense. Maybe it makes financial sense, but like I said, it doesn't make for a good fest. Hell, it's not even a genuine festival, it's just 2 shows in a row with way too many local openers tacked on. It obviously CAN make financial sense if they did it in Milwaukee (I don't think the places they did those fests held much more than 2-3000 people), if a dozen fests in Europe do this yearly, etc. Hell, by simply refusing to book one tour of 3-4 Metal Blade/Century Media/Trustkill/Relapse/Roadrunner bands on the fest, they would free up money to fly in 2-3 bands for one-off performances. It's not exactly like it's cheap to book the Opeth/Dimmu/Gorguts package (I think that was one of the tour shows that made up the 1st night at the fest in 2001 or so) - That $3000 or so guarantee for that package could probably pay for flying in/rooming 2-3 domestic bands and one overseas band. They could also adopt pay-to-play, which, while it sucks, doesn't have to be as drastic as a Koshick fest. Even if they just had the bottom 10-15 bands on the bill pay $200 bucks/sell tickets, that could help pay for a few more one-off appearances. |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 5:49pm - dreadkill ""] i want to see king diamond and dark tranquillity the most out of the rumored bands i heard about. king diamond would be the best headliner ever. |
| __________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 6:05pm - powerkok ""] I used to work at NEMF. |
| __________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 8:06pm - Lynneaus ""] powerkok said:I used to work at NEMF. *raises her eyebrow* doin what? you were prob one of the random metal fest ppl that used to yell at me *cries* ive worked there longer than most of the staff and i still get the new ppl givin me crap |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 8:32pm - the_reverend ""] alex: Milwaukee works BECAUSE jack koshick charges all the bands except the headliners $1000 to play. |
| ______________________________ [Nov 18,2004 8:34pm - Blue ""] however, it doesnt work due to the extreme lack of quality control of the bands that get on the fest. example: 25 really bad power metal bands, that often make up 50% of the music on a koshick fest. |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 8:55pm - BestialOnslaught ""] the_reverend said:alex: Milwaukee works BECAUSE jack koshick charges all the bands except the headliners $1000 to play. Well, works as a fest full of one-offs... The examples I was using above were ways they could have a fest that was at least a blend of what they do now, and what Koshick did in the past. They don't need to have 10 exclusive North American appearances, but 2 or 3 would be a big improvement... And the lower end of the bill could be padded with some more out of state bands to make the early part of the day something to appeal to more than just fans of New England Metalcore... |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 10:25pm - intricateprocess ""] koshick fests suck so much i went down last year, pretty much just because my friend was playing guitar for MOD. 80 percent of the bands i had never even heard of. Black Dahlia Murder played in like the early afternoon, and they were like the only decent band playing. only bands i watched were MOD, Vital Remains,and a little bit of Obituary |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 12:11am - Lynneaus ""] intricateprocess said: Black Dahlia Murder played in like the early afternoon, and they were like the only decent band playing. only bands i watched ,and a little bit of Obituary u just lost all credibility |
| __________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 7:35am - powerkok ""] Lynneaus said:powerkok said:I used to work at NEMF. *raises her eyebrow* doin what? you were prob one of the random metal fest ppl that used to yell at me *cries* ive worked there longer than most of the staff and i still get the new ppl givin me crap NEMF = New England Motor Freight |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 7:41am - HANDINJURY ""] the_reverend said:alex: Milwaukee works BECAUSE jack koshick charges all the bands except the headliners $1000 to play. If you play a couple in a row then it go's down to $800.(wow-wee) |
| ________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 9:12am - JayTUS ""] Everyone that is complaining about the tours, maybe they shouldn't book the King Diamond tour? Maybe they shouldn't book the Cryptopsy tour? Again, this goes without saying, they do it because it is convienent and it makes sense. It's easier to route a tour around a fest then it is to fly bands over and pay for all that crap. A lot of fests do it, even the European ones. But let's face it, let's pretend they were flying everyone over for Carcass reunion or an At The Gates renion and then flew in one or two other bands, but it meant charging an extra 20 bucks for a 3 days pass, you'd be bitching that it was too much money to see only a couple bands, so it's a lose-lose situation. There's never going to be a "metal AND hardcore festival" where every single band on the bill is loved by all, so you just have to take the good with the bad and get over it... |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 9:39am - Joe/NotCommon ""] they shouldnt book the king diamond tour on that lazy fest, it should just be it's own show so none of us have to see lamb of god copies |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 10:12am - Josh_Martin ""] JayTUS said:Everyone that is complaining about the tours, maybe they shouldn't book the King Diamond tour? Maybe they shouldn't book the Cryptopsy tour? Right. King Diamond should be its own show. JayTUS said:Again, this goes without saying, they do it because it is convienent and it makes sense. It's easier to route a tour around a fest then it is to fly bands over and pay for all that crap. A lot of fests do it, even the European ones. Right, that's why I said it seems really half-assed. Do it the easy way and its not as good. I don't know which Europe fests your talking about but I know lots of bands from the US who get flown over there just to play a festival or two. JayTUS said:But let's face it, let's pretend they were flying everyone over for Carcass reunion or an At The Gates renion and then flew in one or two other bands, but it meant charging an extra 20 bucks for a 3 days pass, you'd be bitching that it was too much money to see only a couple bands, so it's a lose-lose situation. There's never going to be a "metal AND hardcore festival" where every single band on the bill is loved by all, so you just have to take the good with the bad and get over it... Not necessarily. Like Alex said, the money it costs to bring in a big package tour could pay for 3 or 4 bands to fly in. But no one at Massconcerts has a clue about underground metal unless its spoonfed to them by booking agencies and labels. The reality is, big fests in the US are done for the money. There are plenty of kids who like gay metalcore bands to keep Massconcerts doing this for years. Metalcore is becoming the hairmetal of the 00's. Just like nu-metal/rap-metal in the 90's. Its what poseurs listen to, and there are always going to be a fuckload of poseurs with money to burn. I'm just saying that, having been to metal festivals that were really killer, where the promoters first priority was music, not money (and no, I'm not talking about Koshick) its a bummer that the one that is held where I live has to suck so bad. All it does is turn a regular show into an overpriced annoyingfest. |
| _________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 10:28am - JayTUS ""] Well they sell a DVD for the NEMHF, want to do books and all sorts of other, are you really surprised by any of this? Give them some credit for trying to put together a group of bands that a lot of different people would want to see. If it were so easy, more people like yourself would be putting them on. I'm sure you'd love to have the King Diamond show all to yourselves, but it's a good show that really adds to this fest (obviously). It just makes TOO MUCH sense to put them on the fest. And yes, the fests are about making money. You can sit there and preach your integrity about the music all you want, but obviously, if you don't go, someone else is going to buy your ticket. It's not about what you want or what I want, it's about what everyone wants. It's a metal AND hardcore festival, meaning there's going to be both. Yes, more European festivals fly bands over, but look at how big they are. If NEMHF was packing in 10,000-50,000 people they'd be flying bands in from all over the world too, but you'd also have bands like Metallica and Slipknot headlining with four or five stages scattered everywhere. Do you want that or do you like it on this smaller scale? At the end of the day, this is a business, and people need to make their money, and that's all there is to it. TOURS are done for money. Albums are put out for money. This entire industry is driven by $$$$$. Sad but true, because no one can live without it. The point of having a business is not to break even after all the bills are paid, it's to make money. If tours aren't making money, bands go home and even break up, because they can't afford to do it. It sucks, but that's the way it is. I personally like a lot of different kinds of music. I am not really into much of the super death metal and stuff that a lot of you like, but I can dig some none-the-less. I understand that you're frustrated that all these cool underground metal bands don't get on the show, but this fest isn't really about that, and you should all know that by now. By the looks of things so far, they are making this pretty metal and there should be a bunch of bands everyone digs on it. So what if you have to deal with bands you don't like, everyone else is going to have to as well. Comes with the territory... |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 10:56am - Josh_Martin ""] JayTUS said:And yes, the fests are about making money. You can sit there and preach your integrity about the music all you want, but obviously, if you don't go, someone else is going to buy your ticket. It's not about what you want or what I want, it's about what everyone wants. It's a metal AND hardcore festival, meaning there's going to be both. Yes, more European festivals fly bands over, but look at how big they are. If NEMHF was packing in 10,000-50,000 people they'd be flying bands in from all over the world too, but you'd also have bands like Metallica and Slipknot headlining with four or five stages scattered everywhere. Do you want that or do you like it on this smaller scale? At the end of the day, this is a business, and people need to make their money, and that's all there is to it. TOURS are done for money. Albums are put out for money. This entire industry is driven by $$$$$. Sad but true, because no one can live without it. The point of having a business is not to break even after all the bills are paid, it's to make money. If tours aren't making money, bands go home and even break up, because they can't afford to do it. It sucks, but that's the way it is. Baaaaah sheep. Now I see why you are such a pro-sports fan. Tons of bands tour all the time and make no money at it. What the fuck are you talking about? There's more to the underground than Relapse and Metal Blade you know. Fuck business. 95% of the time Business = shitty, gay music. The entire industry is not driven by money. I know tons of labels run by people who only care about putting out stuff they like. But good for you, you like the wimpy, limp-wristed bands that play here every year. There are tons of kids like you. Enjoy yourself. You're lucky your taste in music makes it easy for you to see shows you like. Those of us not so fortunate will keep on bitching about having to pay $50 to see King Diamond (or whatever tour is getting ruined that year). Also, you should really look into what they do in Europe. You are waaaay off base there. Go look at the lineup for the last few Wacken fests. |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 3:54pm - BestialOnslaught ""] Josh_Martin said:But no one at Massconcerts has a clue about underground metal unless its spoonfed to them by booking agencies and labels. The reality is, big fests in the US are done for the money. There are plenty of kids who like gay metalcore bands to keep Massconcerts doing this for years. That sums it all up pretty well. I keep coming back to the same point - just cause you sell out the Palladium, does not mean you have put on a worthwhile or respectable fest. Hell, this site is entirely about underground Metal, Hardcore and other stuff in the local area, but not a single band that posts on this board is on the fest. If they don't even take the time to research the genuine local underground Metal scene (by inviting well-respected local bands like WATCHMAKER, KEVORKIAN'S ANGELS, NOOSEBOMB, etc. to play), I certainly wouldn't expect them to have any appreciation of the international underground. |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 4:33pm - intricateprocess ""] Lynneaus said:intricateprocess said: Black Dahlia Murder played in like the early afternoon, and they were like the only decent band playing. only bands i watched ,and a little bit of Obituary u just lost all credibility sorry i meant to write BDM were the only decent opening band the headliners were good. so like probably 30+ bands played, and like 4 were decent |
| ________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 4:36pm - JayTUS ""] Tons of bands tour all the time and make no money at it. What the fuck are you talking about? There's more to the underground than Relapse and Metal Blade you know. Fuck business. 95% of the time Business = shitty, gay music. The entire industry is not driven by money. I know tons of labels run by people who only care about putting out stuff they like. I am glad you brought this up. I am sure there are tons of small labels that do this, but how long do they last? And if they last, how comfortable do they live? Are they able to have a home and a car and not have to work a 9 to 5 or a part time job to pay the bills? If they do this and that's cool with them, then awesome, I'm never going to question that and it's cool that there are people like that, but in the grand scheme of things their audience is smaller and there's only so much they can do, for obvious reasons. Now what I find absolutely hilarious is the fact that you were stupid enough to write "Tons of bands tour all the time and make no money at it. What the fuck are you talking about?" and then have the idiocy to start saying I don't know anything. Now genius, if a band is touring and not making money constantly, how long is that going to last? What happens next? Do their debts magically disappear? Does the Heavy Metal Fairy come around and leave pay their bills and leave the recipts under their pillows? Use your fucking brain dumbass. The #1 reason why bands don't last is because they can't afford to. End of story. Now if money wasn't such a big deal that wouldn't be a problem, now would it? Did I ever sit here and say I liked every band that played? No, absolutely not, and no one ever will. The point I am making is that everyone has a different opinion. What do the names Watchmaker and Kevorkian's Angels mean to anyone that doesn't post on this message board? Odds are, not much. That's not to take anything away from those bands, but let's be honest, in the grand scheme of things they are no better than any of the look hardcore or metalcore bands that get booked. I'm all for bands like that getting on the show, but it all comes down to who Scott likes and wants on the show. Joe refuses to book metalcore bands because he hates metalcore. No one questions his motivations (and I am not either). And as for the European Fest thing, let's break this down to the bare basics. You are comparing Wacken Open Air to New England Hardcore and Metal. What is the BIGGEST and most OBVIOUS difference between the two? Could it be LOTS of people? They can AFFORD to fly in just about anyone they want to. Obviously all the major ones can. But the smaller ones take touring American bands just like any other fest does. I've done plenty of interviews with bands that hit fests on their tour. So I am definitely not off base. When America has its own version of Wacken Open Air, just let me know so we can actually compare the two... |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 4:40pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] If you think Kevorkian's Angels or any of those bands are only supported by the 4 or 5 people who dig them on this site then you are a moron. There are quite a few people who support underground music that dont post on message boards. I don't really understand why you work for a site called the Underground Scene since you have not once mentioned any underground bands you actually do like. |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 5:04pm - BestialOnslaught ""] I walked around the corner to Walgreen's and asked the first 20 people that came in if they knew who WATCHMAKER were. 0 for 20 :( |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 5:05pm - Josh_Martin ""] JayTUS said:I am glad you brought this up. I am sure there are tons of small labels that do this, but how long do they last? And if they last, how comfortable do they live? Are they able to have a home and a car and not have to work a 9 to 5 or a part time job to pay the bills? If they do this and that's cool with them, then awesome, I'm never going to question that and it's cool that there are people like that, but in the grand scheme of things their audience is smaller and there's only so much they can do, for obvious reasons. Well, I've managed to go on a tour every year since 1996 and I haven't made any money worth talking about. Apparantly you've never heard of a DAY JOB. JayTUS said:Now what I find absolutely hilarious is the fact that you were stupid enough to write "Tons of bands tour all the time and make no money at it. What the fuck are you talking about?" and then have the idiocy to start saying I don't know anything. Now genius, if a band is touring and not making money constantly, how long is that going to last? What happens next? Do their debts magically disappear? Does the Heavy Metal Fairy come around and leave pay their bills and leave the recipts under their pillows? Use your fucking brain dumbass. The #1 reason why bands don't last is because they can't afford to. End of story. Now if money wasn't such a big deal that wouldn't be a problem, now would it? Again, that's what day jobs are for, you complete moron. Fuck any band that forms with the intention of making a living off the music. If it happens anyways, good for them, but if that is the intent, they are playing gay fucking music. JayTUS said:Did I ever sit here and say I liked every band that played? No, absolutely not, and no one ever will. The point I am making is that everyone has a different opinion. What do the names Watchmaker and Kevorkian's Angels mean to anyone that doesn't post on this message board? Odds are, not much. That's not to take anything away from those bands, but let's be honest, in the grand scheme of things they are no better than any of the look hardcore or metalcore bands that get booked. I'm all for bands like that getting on the show, but it all comes down to who Scott likes and wants on the show. Joe refuses to book metalcore bands because he hates metalcore. No one questions his motivations (and I am not either). And as for the European Fest thing, let's break this down to the bare basics. You are comparing Wacken Open Air to New England Hardcore and Metal. What is the BIGGEST and most OBVIOUS difference between the two? Could it be LOTS of people? They can AFFORD to fly in just about anyone they want to. Obviously all the major ones can. But the smaller ones take touring American bands just like any other fest does. I've done plenty of interviews with bands that hit fests on their tour. So I am definitely not off base. When America has its own version of Wacken Open Air, just let me know so we can actually compare the two... I brought up Wacken because you said giant european festivals need a Slipknot or Metallica to pull in the huge crowds and I was just proving you wrong. You didn't score too well on reading comprehension did you. Like what you want to like. It just sucks for real metalheads when the state of the scene is represented by the metalcore garbage that plays the metalfest every year. Its just like in the 80's when the supposed Headbangers Ball played 95% Britany Fox and Warrant. |