BLACKGUARD/NEURAXIS/GIGAN plus others @ Wally's in Hampton Beach, NH.[views:72339][posts:290][show listing] _________________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 9:35am - sixstringcarnage ""] CANDY%20STRIPER%20DEATH%20ORGY said:listen fags, not one of you have done the things I have. Your stupid fucking show with 50 people attending mean shit. I know joey belladonna idiots. If you can't sell tickets..... fuck you then quit. If you can't write good genuine music and be a human being. Then quit music and hang yourself. Texas Toast Fagget Orgay |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 9:48am - arilliusbm ""] Metal is not about money. Never was, never is. Business, obviously, is about it though. It's about profit. Someone has to draw the line about this somewhere. |
| _____________________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 9:50am - markworkingrichards ""] I don't understand why anyone who comes to this board on a semi-regular basis promoting pay-to-play (or "work-to-play" if it really makes you feel better) tries to put up a fight. It's so fucking obvious that 99% of everyone on this board will never take it seriously, and it's hilarious to watch you squirm trying to convert people, followed by berating everyone who doesn't agree. A lot of us have done it in the past and realized how unfitting it is for underground music. If there are a handful of bands that keep doing pay-to-play to make the "promoter's" job easier, good for you, no one gives a shit and they'll eventually realize it's fucking retarded. If you've found your niche, stick with it and I wish you much luck in your endeavors, but don't expect anyone else to agree because you've played with this band and that band and you've turned down this tour, this festival in Europe, I've sold X amount of CDs all by myself like a big boy, blah blah blah. That shit is so fucking tired, stale and childish. No one on this board takes it seriously because no one here shares that mentality. Bash bands all you want, tell us we're all idiots and we're never gonna "make it," if it helps you sleep at night. Underground metal bands don't give a shit about "making it." We want to play music, and if we gain anything out of it, awesome, added bonus. Am I cool enough because I've toured the country, been offered festivals in Europe, played shows with legendary bands (and didn't have to sell one fucking ticket) and sold 3000 CDs by myself without even trying in the course of 3 years? Bottom line is everyone who opposes what you do is not going to have some miraculous epiphany that we've been doing it wrong this whole time, and we're all going to continue to tell you to go fuck yourself. Deal with it. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 9:57am - arilliusbm ""] markangryrichards |
| _________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 10:06am - reimroc ""] Sacreligion said:Thread's too long. Will not read. I assume it goes CSDO: Sell tickets! RTTP: GTFO CSDO: its called work. Your band sucks. RTTP: No, you're old, lazy, fat and YOUR band sucks. CSDO: I know Joey Belladonna and think the music scene hasn't changed in 20 years. RTTP: Teh lulz This is exactly how this thread has gone. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 1:44pm - Alexecutioner ""] reimroc said: Sacreligion said:Thread's too long. Will not read. I assume it goes CSDO: Sell tickets! RTTP: GTFO CSDO: its called work. Your band sucks. RTTP: No, you're old, lazy, fat and YOUR band sucks. CSDO: I know Joey Belladonna and think the music scene hasn't changed in 20 years. RTTP: Teh lulz This is exactly how this thread has gone. A+ to this thread. made for a great read while i was sitting on the toilet taking a shit, which produced about the same amount of talent as CSDO. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 3:06pm - howiehowe ""] arilliusbm said:markangryrichards Here's the point, I'm not defending it, I'm telling you like it is, what we require, and if you don't want to sell tickets, I don't care, you just won't get on any of ours shows. But remember the choice to not play on these shows is yours, so we don't want to hear your whining about not getting opportunities. There are tons of bands who will do what you won't, and they will get the shows, you won't. The best you can hope for is that maybe you can find a show someplace else you can get on, and again, I don't care. Because most of the places you will get to play, and bands you will get to play with, will be small potatoes in comparison to a lot of the shows we are now planning. If a fan of yours asks why you can't get on such shows, we will say either you don't qualify, or you won't do what is required, that we require bands who can actually bring people to shows. Then you can explain to your fans, if you truly have many, why you get to play so few shows, and hope they accept your explanation. FYI - We now have clubs in ME, NH, MA, and RI that we are booking shows in, and bands that do more than I require of them will get to play all of them with nationals. Do me a favor, never even ask to get on any of our shows, we'll use the bands who are willing to do the work. Five bands asked to get on this Blackguard show, and were willing to sell tickets, we only had time for three locals. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 3:12pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] FUCK OFF. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 3:14pm - Paul CNV ""] Ironically the bands that actually go along with what you say are the bands that fucking suck beyond belief ... The bands that no one gives a fucking toss about.... You find high school kids that don't know their ass from their elbow and take advantage of that. "There's a sucker born every minute" - PT BARNUM Every band that counts in New England knows you are full of shit |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 3:22pm - howiehowe ""] In your midn they suck - but they ahve fans willign to pay to see them - which menas their fans liek what they do, and not what you do. Yes there are suckers born every minute, PT was right on that, and you are one of them, proven by quoting him and not understanding his message, that it is all about who will pay to see the performance! Who you are really calling suckers are the people willing to buy tickets, that is who PT was talking about, not the performers. He told the performers what to do to be in his shows and they did it. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 3:26pm - Paul CNV ""] Name one of the bands that you have doing all your dirty work that is signed to a label... |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 3:32pm - howiehowe ""] Paul%20CNV said:Ironically the bands that actually go along with what you say are the bands that fucking suck beyond belief ... The bands that no one gives a fucking toss about.... You find high school kids that don't know their ass from their elbow and take advantage of that. "There's a sucker born every minute" - PT BARNUM Every band that counts in New England knows you are full of shitThanks for the laughs - do they teach reading comprehension in your area - if so you need to enroll, just so you understand the quotes you try to use to justify your ignorance of the business. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 3:33pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] Selling pre-sale tickets to a show is perfectly fine. I do it with my rock band sometimes for shows that require it. Holding the band accountable monetarily for tickets they cannot sell however is fucking wrong (as well as making them purchase a block of tickets in advance.) I've refused to participate in the type of business for my entire musical career and will never see a justification for it. |
| _____________________________ [Mar 6,2011 3:35pm - blue ""] wheres the popcorn? this howie howe dude is awesome. the 'suckers' paul are talking about are in fact the ones willing to cough up money to *pay to play* your shows. as much as youd like to think otherwise. im going to keep on not playing these lame ass shows and ill keep on getting better opportunities while i'm at it. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 3:38pm - Paul CNV ""] I booked Dungeon Cult Fest back in June .... There were close to 200 people there and no one had to sell a single ticket |
| ____________________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 3:38pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""] howiehowe said: arilliusbm said:markangryrichards Here's the point, I'm not defending it, I'm telling you like it is, what we require, and if you don't want to sell tickets, I don't care, you just won't get on any of ours shows. But remember the choice to not play on these shows is yours, so we don't want to hear your whining about not getting opportunities. There are tons of bands who will do what you won't, and they will get the shows, you won't. The best you can hope for is that maybe you can find a show someplace else you can get on, and again, I don't care. Because most of the places you will get to play, and bands you will get to play with, will be small potatoes in comparison to a lot of the shows we are now planning. If a fan of yours asks why you can't get on such shows, we will say either you don't qualify, or you won't do what is required, that we require bands who can actually bring people to shows. Then you can explain to your fans, if you truly have many, why you get to play so few shows, and hope they accept your explanation. FYI - We now have clubs in ME, NH, MA, and RI that we are booking shows in, and bands that do more than I require of them will get to play all of them with nationals. Do me a favor, never even ask to get on any of our shows, we'll use the bands who are willing to do the work. Five bands asked to get on this Blackguard show, and were willing to sell tickets, we only had time for three locals. It makes absolutely NO SENSE for you to have to say any of that to any of us. We all know how it works, AND NO ONE IN THIS THREAD IS ASKING TO BE ON THE SHOWS. Reading comprehension, get into it. Technically you are defending it; you're defending it as much as the rest of us are defending our right to choose not to adhere to the business ethics at hand. I've never heard one band on this board ever whine about not getting on a show of this nature. I don't know what sort of bands are whining and complaining that they don't have the opportunity to sell tickets, but if they exist, they're not posting in this thread. Also, keep in mind that as it's been stated above, most of the bands here don't give a shit how small or big the potatoes are, getting to play is enough. Big potatoes to some people may just be a favorite band from the midwest just rolling through on a DIY tour that only 15 people have ever heard of. That being said, a lot of us have also gotten the opportunity to play with huge bands without having to sell even one ticket. The point I was making earlier is that bands on RTTP really aren't the bands for your market, aside from a select few that will do whatever it takes to get on a show. Sometimes bands don't need to get on big shows and sell tickets to become as known as they want to be. Sometimes word of mouth is all it takes to get the proper recognition. But, I'll try to remember not to come crawling on my hands and knees, crying and begging to be on a fucking Blackguard show when I'm not getting offered enough shows with bands that would up my street cred. And I'm not saying there are no bands willing to do the work you guys require, I'm saying that you won't find many here. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 3:40pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] NEC = Westboro Baptist Church FREE SPEECH FOR THE DUMB FOR THE DUMB |
| __________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 3:46pm - Paul CNV ""] Somebody Call Chris Hansen |
| __________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 3:47pm - Paul CNV ""] [img] |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 3:52pm - howiehowe ""] Paul%20CNV said:Name one of the bands that you have doing all your dirty work that is signed to a label... No real signed national act would be required to sell tickets, but to think any promoter is impressed by a band claiming to be signed to an Indie is hilarious, unless they have sold a few hundred thousand albums themselves. Time to wake up Dorothy - You may hate major labels, but their artists count - and this ain't Kansas. Indies call us us up all the time trying to get their acts on shows, and seldom do we even care to think about adding them. Just to prove a major point - name one local "supposedly" signed act represented by a major Talent Agency? I have all the major agency rosters, I can easily verify or deny your claims. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 3:57pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] ITT: We are not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 3:58pm - Paul CNV ""] Of course you don't care because when all is said and done it is not about art or music to you at all... It's about being a greedy bottom feeding parasite... You represent everything that is wrong with music. DIE |
| ____________________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 3:58pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""] This thread is now about The Wizard Of Oz. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 4:02pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] MarkFuckingRichards said:This thread is now about The Wiz. [img] |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 4:05pm - Sacreligion ""] [img] |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 4:05pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] howiehowe said: Paul%20CNV said:Name one of the bands that you have doing all your dirty work that is signed to a label... No real signed national act would be required to sell tickets, but to think any promoter is impressed by a band claiming to be signed to an Indie is hilarious, unless they have sold a few hundred thousand albums themselves. Time to wake up Dorothy - You may hate major labels, but their artists count - and this ain't Kansas. Indies call us us up all the time trying to get their acts on shows, and seldom do we even care to think about adding them. Just to prove a major point - name one local "supposedly" signed act represented by a major Talent Agency? I have all the major agency rosters, I can easily verify or deny your claims. [img] |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 4:08pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] [img] NOBODY BEATS HIM |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 4:10pm - Sacreligion ""] howiehowe said: Paul%20CNV said:Name one of the bands that you have doing all your dirty work that is signed to a label... No real signed national act would be required to sell tickets, but to think any promoter is impressed by a band claiming to be signed to an Indie is hilarious, unless they have sold a few hundred thousand albums themselves. Time to wake up Dorothy - You may hate major labels, but their artists count - and this ain't Kansas. Indies call us us up all the time trying to get their acts on shows, and seldom do we even care to think about adding them. Just to prove a major point - name one local "supposedly" signed act represented by a major Talent Agency? I have all the major agency rosters, I can easily verify or deny your claims. [img] |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 4:13pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] howiehowe said: Just to prove a major point - name one local "supposedly" signed act represented by a major Talent Agency? I have all the major agency rosters, I can easily verify or deny your claims. Here's Two: Revocation (Relapse) Ipsissimus (Metal Blade) |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 4:13pm - howiehowe ""] In other words you can't prove me wrong, so you think a childish insult photo makes up for your lack of credibility. If you ever really come up with something real that disproves me, let Eric know. Until then, you have wasted enough of my time, and you have proven me right/you wrong so many times today, to many on here who did not even bother to post, that my job is done. They will get the shows, and you will whine like little babies playing 50-100 seat shitholes, saying the system holds you down - when actually it is the person you see in your mirror to blame. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 4:16pm - Paul CNV ""] FuckIsMySignature said: howiehowe said: Just to prove a major point - name one local "supposedly" signed act represented by a major Talent Agency? I have all the major agency rosters, I can easily verify or deny your claims. Here's Two: Revocation (Relapse) Ipsissimus (Metal Blade) Just proved you wrong retard |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 4:17pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] ITT: [img][img] [/continuing to succeed without your permission, involvement, or even knowledge] |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 6,2011 5:22pm - Sacreligion ""] [img] |
| _________________________________ [Mar 7,2011 8:53am - unnamed ""] This is boring. Ban Bernie from ever doing a show again, And maybe this Howie dude too. CSDO - Please retire. If you dont want to work with a promotion company. Book your own show. Make your own rules. Take the promoters out of the game. ive actually only played for two legit promoters. One in worcester and the other one in NH, No its not Bernie or anyone at NEC. The people that do most of the shows at Rockos, Only ask for 10 tickets to be sold and then they split the rest with you. One show we sold 10 tickets and kept the rest. We sold 27 tickets so we ended up walking home with 170 bucks. This is the way it should be. Promoters that dont split the revenue with the bands that are working hard at getting people there should be blacklisted. lets start with bernie at NEC. |
| ______________________________ [Mar 7,2011 12:20pm - blue ""] bernie and NEC will get pushed out of the scene one again like he was 4-5 years ago, time will take care of that. the only issue is that he will come back again a few years later when there are new kids around that dont know what a fucktard he and the people he deals with is. but then the cycle will repeat again. THE CIRCLEEEEE OF LIIIIIFFFEEE |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 7,2011 2:07pm - Alexecutioner ""] blue said:bernie and NEC will get pushed out of the scene one again like he was 4-5 years ago, time will take care of that. the only issue is that he will come back again a few years later when there are new kids around that dont know what a fucktard he and the people he deals with is. but then the cycle will repeat again. THE CIRCLEEEEE OF LIIIIIFFFEEE [img] |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 7,2011 2:10pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] dont mess with Scar. he'll FUCK you up. [img] |
| __________________________________ [Mar 7,2011 2:19pm - severnli ""] CANDY%20STRIPER%20DEATH%20ORGY said:Take a look at the Palladium. Most bands on here will never get to play there. 'Cause, the bands don't want to do any work getting people through the door. If you get asked to open for somebody in the big room you have to sell 100 tickets (upstairs it's 50). If you want to play in Boston at the "big" places, you'll have to buy your way onto the show. Rocko's, Club Hell, the Met, the Amber Room, Club Texas and so on will also have you sell tickets... Here's a list of what has to get paid : the National bands, sound, staff, advertising... to make the show work. Actually, my band is playing our 2nd show upstairs at the palladium soon. And it wasn't hard at all to snag the spot. And our ticket commitment is more like "sell what you can." So, in conclusion, you are very, very wrong. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 7,2011 2:21pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] lol same. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 7,2011 2:27pm - WellWell ""] FuckIsMySignature said: howiehowe said: Just to prove a major point - name one local "supposedly" signed act represented by a major Talent Agency? I have all the major agency rosters, I can easily verify or deny your claims. Here's Two: Revocation (Relapse) Ipsissimus (Metal Blade) two of the most over rated horrible local bands too...it is beyond me why these bands are even on those labels. they are both generic garbage |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 7,2011 2:31pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] WellWell said: FuckIsMySignature said: howiehowe said: Just to prove a major point - name one local "supposedly" signed act represented by a major Talent Agency? I have all the major agency rosters, I can easily verify or deny your claims. Here's Two: Revocation (Relapse) Ipsissimus (Metal Blade) two of the most over rated horrible local bands too...it is beyond me why these bands are even on those labels. they are both generic garbage Haha thank you for your very credible opinion, Mr. Wellwell. |
| _______________________________ [Mar 7,2011 2:33pm - zyklon ""] I don't know about Ipsissimus but Revocation is pretty good, I wouldn't call it generic but original |
| __________________________________ [Mar 7,2011 2:34pm - WellWell ""] revocation original???? hahahahahahhahahahhhahh |
| _______________________________ [Mar 7,2011 2:36pm - zyklon ""] Yes original! Why is that funny? |
| __________________________________ [Mar 7,2011 2:39pm - WellWell ""] they have the most generic metal blade sound around . music is okay vocals suck but they are all rock star ass holes now . dont care if they read this. truth hurts . |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 7,2011 2:40pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] this argument is beyond stupid and pointless now. Did you get any suckers to play this show yet? I'd like to ask them advice on how to be a real band. |
| _____________________________ [Mar 7,2011 3:35pm - Yeti ""] i learned one thing from this thread. Sacreligion can still invoke shit-talking 5 years after it's death. have i achieved something? or did i have to pay for that? |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 7,2011 3:51pm - boblovesmusic ""] WellWell said:they have the most generic metal blade sound around . music is okay vocals suck but they are all rock star ass holes now . dont care if they read this. truth hurts . But they became successful without doing pay to play stuff! |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 7,2011 4:00pm - anonymous-zero ""] [img] |
| _________________________________________ [Mar 8,2011 1:06pm - reign of terror ""] too much whining in this thread over nothing |