HELVETE BOSTON OFFICIALLY CANCELLED[views:102953][posts:457]_____________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:34pm - Jimmy Notanonymous ""] mOe said:haha, i like you a lot aaron Mr. Martin has never met you, but he hates you already. He claims to be brilliant you know? |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:41pm - litacore ""] oh fuck this bullshit, I give up talk to the scrotum |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:44pm - Grimly Fiendish ""] Isn't O'briens the one censoring people since it was there decision to shut down the event? |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:45pm - Josh_Martin ""] Jimmy Notanonymous said:mOe said:haha, i like you a lot aaron Mr. Martin has never met you, but he hates you already. He claims to be brilliant you know? I'm not Aaron. Your reading comprehension is just as poor as your politics. I never claimed to be brilliant, I just come off that way when arguing with you. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:47pm - Josh_Martin ""] Grimly Fiendish said:Isn't O'briens the one censoring people since it was there decision to shut down the event? They fell for the bullshit that NEFAC fed them. OBriens deserves some slack though. They've done a lot of good in the past. NEFAC has never done anything except make dumb college kids think they're changing the world. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:48pm - Josh_Martin ""] I wish "Jimmy" would stop posting annonymously. Too much of a pussy to register. Way to stand for your convictions. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:03pm - anonymous ""] "NEFAC" didn't feed anybody any bullshit. Northeast Antifascists (overlapping membership, but still) let a few people know that one of the organizers was posting on white power boards, describing Helvete as an NSBM night, and inviting nazis--and started asking around about whether it was true. That organizer ended up approaching us, owning up to his politics, but telling us that that his politics weren't Helvete's. That was it. Everything else--the "blockade," NEFAC, Czolgosz, ARA, whatever--was 100% rumor mill generation. This is totally insane. Hell, some people in NEFAC are pissed off at us for getting a BM night shut down. Nobody "censored" anybody here. And it may be a reversible misunderstanding if everyone keeps a cool head. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:14pm - Hooker ""] Josh_Martin said:I wish "Jimmy" would stop posting annonymously. Too much of a pussy to register. Way to stand for your convictions. hahaha |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:21pm - Josh_Martin ""] anonymous said:And it may be a reversible misunderstanding if everyone keeps a cool head. Fine, you have one week to fix it. Otherwise its clobberin time. Next time, mind your own fucking business please. No one here ever gave you any shit for your dumbass communist beliefs. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:23pm - damnose ""] this just reeks of ignorance and hypocrisy. You can't marry an idea to a kind of music. That's just as stupid as saying "hey, some punk and hardcore bands are white power, so we should lobby for the cancellation of punk and hardcore shows." I don't see any difference. Punishing the group for the "sins" of a few never makes sense; in fact, it's the same kind of mentality that leads to racism, sexism, homophobia and many other things the NEFAC stands against. It's ridiculous that someone claimed we have to "solve the problem of racism within our own community." Isn't that like a city council giving the shaft to black neighborhoods because they haven't "solved the problem of crime" within their own community? stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid stupid. I could go on about how ridiculous this is, but there's really nothing to add. And I agree with NEFAC on a lot of things, but many of their ilk are just hypocrites. This summer I lived in a house full of "anarchist" punks; they were nice people and all, but rarely did the dishes (great sense of community there), left huge messes in the backyard after parties (way to be environmentally friendly), and eventually got everyone evicted. Oh, and they all had more money than I did. The Man sure was making life tough for them. |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:28pm - anarchist metalhead ""] fix it? why should anyone "fix" what this asshole promoter on himself? he's the dumb fuck that took a good metal night and started injecting his own white power bullshit into it, and inviting NSBM bands. fuck him. hopefully some other metal fans will start up a new night, free of nazi crap, and we can actually have something of a metal scene in this town. it's not that hard to host a night once a month. take a cue from the punx: diy. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:31pm - the_reverend ""] pitty the poor trainer in the stable when the racehorse farts poison oak really is the aphrodisiac of the gods. next time we have sex, just pretend that I'm Ed Meese the weasels have it down, man it's a whole new age |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:32pm - Hooker ""] I remember kids that used to carve anarchy signs into the bleachers and shit in 7th grade. They all had dirt staches and no fathers. They were awesome. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:34pm - Ninkaszi187 ""] anarchist metalhead said:fix it? why should anyone "fix" what this asshole promoter on himself? he's the dumb fuck that took a good metal night and started injecting his own white power bullshit into it, and inviting NSBM bands. fuck him. hopefully some other metal fans will start up a new night, free of nazi crap, and we can actually have something of a metal scene in this town. it's not that hard to host a night once a month. take a cue from the punx: diy. what are you talking about? what promoter did this? which NSBM bands have played helvete? |
| _________________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:34pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] the "punx" can eat my shit. served as multiculturally as I can dump it out. the "punx" ruin everything that's good with their "we're so pc we're going to hurt people and destroy things that matter to people besides ourselves". I love how they always hurt someone or do something that causes a lot of pain for other people, then slap on their woefully ignorant tells of "justice". "Anarchist metalhead", take a look in the mirror. When you hurt someone else, no matter what your beliefs, you are hurting another human. Go rape someone in the name of justice again, jerk. How's it feel to be insulted? |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:37pm - dave form NEFAC ""] OK OK heres a little food for thought, I\'m a NEFAC member from montreal. I decided to check this site out cause I heard from a friend in Boston that NEFAC was gettin slagged. For the record I\'m not a collage student, or peace punk, I Love metal, I\'m proud of my European heritage and I hate to see people get there scene shut down... but, it wasn\'t NEFAC who shut it down(I heard about it after the fact), It was Northeast Antifachist(A group I also support). If people who are proud of there heritige would stand up to fucking wankers who are fucking racist(or homaphobic for that matter) others wouldn\'t have to step in and take care of buisness. Its not fuckin oK for nazis(or homephobes) to hang out and have a good time without being confronted because they end up hurting people. They recruit, even if that means just making their views somewhat acceptable in a music scene, and that spreads. We used to have a huge Nazi/white power problem in montreal, lots of people got fucked up(including young children who happened to be the wrong color in the wrong neigborhood) and the only way it stopped was for people to stop tolorating it and shutting everything they did down. People who really care about freedom and equality can't afford to wait and see if people who seem to tolerate these ideas will get around to doing something about it when it gets out of controll. I hope you guys can seen this as an unfortunate, and possibly misshandled on all sides, learning experience and re organize the scene with no tolerance for racism, and don't call each other dicks or faggs to try and prove how manly you are, it come across to me more like insecurity. In closing metal rules, pride in your heritage is also ok if it dosn't get mixed up in intolerance and my ancient god has got a bigger hammer than your ancient god bullshit... Dave, as not anonymous as i can be from another city PS as ANARCHIST communists we don't beleive in a state, we were infact the only people who took a really principled stand throughout history against marxism(not just "fuck commies" cause they wanna take our money away, yep you guessed it most NEFAC members are working class and proud!) |
| _________________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:39pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] It rubs me the wrong way when kids do harmful shit in the name of justice. I wish the "punx" in boston would grow up. How many more people / places / communities need to get shit on cause some punk labels it as not-DIY / not-multicultural / etc etc? Half the time they work for what they are against. I have seen more punks do fucked up, hateful, hurtful, destructive things then most of the people the oppress. I hate to be so pissed off but I mean what the fuck...It's a little ridiculous. UP THE PUNX! |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:42pm - KeithMutiny ""] i left the punk scene for those reasons, thanks nick, least someones got a head on thier shoulders |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:42pm - anarchist metalhead ""] so, exactly who did I hurt? i posted my opinion on a message board. sorry if you feel "raped" by my opinion. really, i hope my two or three offending sentences are the worst horror you have to endure this week. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:43pm - Hooker ""] If sitting at the pit in Harvard square all day, smelling like taco meat and begging for change means revolution, consider me Nathan Fucking Hale. -some overtly political numbnuts. |
| _________________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:44pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] dave from NEFAC - you make a good point, but the end doesn't justify the means a lot of the time. How can we teach tolerance by being intolerant? How can we teach diversity by stamping out everything that doesn't fit our perspectives? You say that eliminating the nazi / white power groups in your area did a good thing, but I question what must have gone on to make that happen. Isn't elimination of ANY culture / community counter productive to diversity? |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:44pm - KeithMutiny ""] hooker, dont forget drinking cider and scaring the working class fellows that try and walk by you to get on the train |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:46pm - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] I hope you guys can seen this as an unfortunate, and possibly misshandled on all sides, learning experience and re organize the scene with no tolerance for racism, and don't call each other dicks or faggs to try and prove how manly you are, it come across to me more like insecurity. This was not misshandled on all sides, it was misshandled on one side. There wasn't racism in the scene as numerous posters have already posted. The scene does not need to be re organized, Helvete's closing was the product of an ignorant group of PC watchdogs from outside the scene. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:48pm - KeithMutiny ""] ...excuse me kids... shouldnt you be burning down nike town? |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:49pm - litacore ""] well, according to dave NEFAC and anarchist metalhead, it's just going to have to be tough binnies for us. We've been put in our place, nazis and homophobes that we are. Christ. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:49pm - KeithMutiny ""] i remember seeing aus rotten one time and the dude dropped a pack of marlboros while he was playing... in that senario it was the funniest thing ive ever seen |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:50pm - Hooker ""] Dude. Couple nights ago, me and so and so totally smashed some of the lights out of Old Navy's store front sign. It was awesome. Oh I'm sorry. I don't drink any large brand name sodas. Do you have anything local? -some kid from that band the Goonies years ago |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:50pm - KeithMutiny ""] hey lita, do you have that skrewdriver collection i let you borrow? i need some rally songs |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:51pm - KeithMutiny ""] Hooker said:Dude. Couple nights ago, me and so and so totally smashed some of the lights out of Old Navy's store front sign. It was awesome. Oh I'm sorry. I don't drink any large brand name sodas. Do you have anything local? -some kid from that band the Goonies years ago i used to hang out with a few of those kids... like 5 years ago |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:54pm - dave form NEFAC ""] OK for starters, NEFAC did abosoltuely nothing,and I mean nothing. Second Northeast Antifachist olooked into rumers of white power organizing, the promoter who had infact posted on white power sites, advertising the night as such came forward to p[eople in NA with his white power politics asked them not to do anything because his politics didn't represent the scene. In the end Northeaster antifachist didn't do anything other than tell this story to a few people. Then the club shut it down. I think your folling yourselves if you think any leftist group in the US is strong enought to shut anything down by doing nothing... If all it took was a roomers from some "commies" to shut shit down the revolution would be over and done with now... |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:55pm - anarchist metalhead ""] wait, so people are whining about Niketown getting smashed up and the need to "embrace diversity of cultures... even nazis" and the anarchists are getting called pc liberals? |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:55pm - Hooker ""] Yeah I did a few times. Some of them were just weird. I recently saw one of them at this march downtown just before elections. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:56pm - KeithMutiny ""] theres only one canadian i believe on this website |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:57pm - KeithMutiny ""] anarchist metalhead said:wait, so people are whining about Niketown getting smashed up and the need to "embrace diversity of cultures... even nazis" and the anarchists are getting called pc liberals? dont listen to my ex-punk niketown bullshit, im being a smart ass, pick up on that |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:59pm - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] National Socialist Black Metal isn't something you can learn by reading a book or sitting in a classroom. It's not something you can teach your friends or parents who don't know what it is. NSBM is a way of life, NSBM is OUR way of life. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:59pm - Bulldog45 ""] I drink at O'Briens all the time. I would guess that your problem might be that some of the bouncers and staff are pretty fuckin cool and have no tolerance for nazi scum like CNV in their place. Can you blame them? |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:59pm - Falcifer ""] Everone involved or cares please read the following letter from the northeast antifacist this explains a lot and I for one hope it starts to lend itself to help stop what has started. I for one let my emotions get away from myself (it happens when something you work very hard gets shut down by the actions of a few). I am guity of this, but if we work together and calm down I think everything will eventually be ok. We have a longer public statement coming out on this whole mess soon >but, since you came to us directly and were clearly willing to >participate in a dialogue, we have to let you know: > >1) we did NOT go behind your back after you talked with us. > >2) we did NOT put out any call for a "blockade," nor any public >action, and have no idea where that particular rumor started. > >3) after you contacted us directly and owned up to your politics, we >came to an internal group consensus to resolve these issues through >dialogue with various parties involved. > >4) we had NO intention to have Helvete as a whole canceled, >especially after it was confirmed that politics aren't (or don't >have to be) a part of the night. > >5) "The lead singer from Czolgosz" is NOT currently a part of >Northeast Antifascists, and has not been for years. We contacted >him, as someone we knew with associations throughout the scene, to >ASK AROUND about what was up with Helvete. He came back to us >confirming that Helvete is NOT an NSBM night (despite how YOU >advertised it on the Panzerfaust forum), and reminded us that there >was no reason to do anything rash about it. We agreed. We heard the >same from other sources too. > >People are saying some things about "retaliation" against him >specifically, which is completely absurd because he had absolutely >nothing to do with our investigation and especially nothing to do >with Helvete getting the plug pulled. Please let people know (we see >the Helvete forum is members-only, feel free to share this email >there) that this guy had nothing to do with creating this >misunderstanding. > >6) While we're at it, people are also talking about "retaliation" >against NEFAC. We're not a part of NEFAC-Boston, though there's >overlapping membership; NEFAC-Boston folks outside our group had no >knowledge whatsoever of any of this shit. > >You came to us explaining that our political beef was with you, not >Helvete, and we took your word for it. Now we're coming to you >saying that (for starters) your beef is with us, not with NEFAC, and >especially not with any members of Czolgosz. We understand that >everybody is all pissed off, but rest assured that if everyone stays >calm and refrains from doing stupid things based on rumors, we may >be able to approach O'Brien's management and discuss with them how >this misunderstanding happened. > >MJ |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:02pm - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] Who gives them the authority to declare your politics wrong, Falcifier? Why do you have to "own up" to holding those views? NEAF get the fuck out of our scene. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:04pm - Bradness ""] possible homersexual |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:07pm - dave form NEFAC ""] The canadian "outsider" has left the building hope you get your night back Think about what I said about racism and homophobia |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:08pm - Falcifer ""] Nobody has any right to call my politics wrong. I have made peace with myself and know where I stand in life and what exactly leads my decisions that are made on a daily basis. I am simply stating I let my emotions get away from me and am trying very hard to fix what was a small but strong metal night. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:10pm - Falcifer ""] By the way I posted that letter second hand the "beef" they are describing is with someone else and not me or Helvete personally. Context is evrything. Sorry for the confusion. |
| _______________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:13pm - coldnorthernvengeance ""] Bulldog45 said:I drink at O'Briens all the time. I would guess that your problem might be that some of the bouncers and staff are pretty fuckin cool and have no tolerance for nazi scum like CNV in their place. Can you blame them? WE ARE NOT A FUCKING NAZI BAND!!!!! This whole situation is fucking blown out of proportion. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:18pm - RustedAngel ""] [img][img] |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:22pm - the_reverend ""] ooooh.... it wasn't the Judean People's Front, it was the People's Front of Judean! |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:26pm - KeithMutiny ""] for the record, i laugh at the false belief that anarchy could or would possibly even exhist. its an immature mentality that chaos and misled sub-culture could devise a routine for even a daily dependance. no roads, no laws, no goverment or state... come on guys, lets be serious... yea, we'll overide the empowered forces so that... we can just be taken over by the next closest when our "anarchist" society has no strength or organisation to fend them off. Grow up, your not 13 and hot topics closed, get a fuckin job, and realise the depth of a true reality you "strive" for... |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:29pm - litacore ""] the_reverend said:ooooh.... it wasn't the Judean People's Front, it was the People's Front of Judean! It thought we were the Popular Front. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:29pm - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] Wait, I thought we were fighting the National Front. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:36pm - Hooker ""] So wait... where's the Mutant Liberation Front come into play? |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:36pm - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] I heard that Mutant League Football was on for this weekend. |