Religious/evolution discussions at work[views:12523][posts:64]_________________________________ [Jun 18,2009 3:44pm - darkwor ""] True knowledge of history is the solution to world issues, but the warped interpretations of it will always exist. You say multiculturalism killed major population centers, but that idea only files with right-leaning historians. Personal spiritualism is fine, dogma is dangerous. Everyone is NOT equal - 100% agree - but you cannot convince me it's based on race. Greenism is not recycling. Culture is not religion. And all that. You say a radicalized core belief group can bring improvements to the world, but what do you think that group is today? Tamil Tigers? KKK? Al Qaeda? It's the Nobel candidates, the free-thinkers and artists, the people who keep core communities together at the family level, riding on infrastructure and economics. And what has ever been the only type of society to ever produce a balance between all, to produce great thinkers, humans worth listening to? I'll tell you, it's not the fundamentalist, 'conservative' societies. It's not hipsters either. I'm totally comfortable with using THAT label. Sometimes I think we debate toward the same thing, but we can't agree on how to get there. So what is your goal then Conservationist, when you jump on every opportunity to expend your political views? Certainly it's not ego - no, you've already criticized that. I'll tell you what mine is - humans, I really believe our species has the capability to survive indefinitely, give the middle finger to the next mass-extinction, and feed our need to explore the beyond. The earth has produced us, but that doesn't mean we can't outlive it. The best of the best can survive until the universe converges on itself, and hopefully we can leave something behind after that for the next crop of life to find. This idea is in everything I do - it's why I'm a musician, it's why I'm a budding archeologist, so that I can leave a record, something permanent when I rot in the ground, as a record of our species. Call it romanticized, call me fucking nuts. I'm just not sure with all your ideas, what the hell you're really trying to do except kill us all, mentally or otherwise (liberals dying out after the industrial revolution? where do you get this stuff?). This lab is done installing Windows. Back to work. |
| _________________________________ [Jun 18,2009 3:46pm - darkwor ""] pam said:Or it is avoiding a pointless argument that will do nothing to change anyone's mindset. call it pointless argument, but sometimes i do enjoy debates with people who don't resort to name-calling and reciting what they heard on tv. rare thing. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 18,2009 3:49pm - arilliusbm ""] Budding Archeologist? Are you in the field yet and if so, where? Curious to know because I once thought about perusing that but it's very hard to start out doing shit work with no credibility. You REALLY have to go to college for 8 years to be recognized - let along accepted - in that field. |
| _________________________________ [Jun 18,2009 3:54pm - RustyPS ""] arilliusbm said:Society needs hope in something in order to function. People need to believe their meaning of existence is not empty, but full of reason and purpose. However, I just think somebody just needs to sprinkle a little knowledge and intellect into the majority of people in this country. It really embarrasses me that there are people like this in America: bennyhillifier either those people were paid to be stupid, or Americans are much dumber than I thought.........which is scary |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 18,2009 3:57pm - arilliusbm ""] nah, it's all real. Leno used to do those sometimes. it really amazes me how clueless some people really are. |
| _________________________________ [Jun 18,2009 4:00pm - darkwor ""] arilliusbm said:Budding Archeologist? Are you in the field yet and if so, where? Curious to know because I once thought about perusing that but it's very hard to start out doing shit work with no credibility. You REALLY have to go to college for 8 years to be recognized - let along accepted - in that field. exactly...right now all i can do is read books, journals, follow news in the field until i gather the money to go back to school - hopefully a couple years - i have my eyes on umass boston, they have a great program. i have a BS in computer science that i originally got into to program/design games (another field that you need a huge investment of time in that wasn't possible and i wasn't cut out for sitting in front of the computer all day every day), and i'm using my current IT job as a stepping stone because the MTA union will soon give tuition compensation to all state schools (unions are good for something). then i'll being the long, strenuous road to a PhD while i'm working almost full-time. but it will pay off - i'll be able to teach a couple classes, do research, get grant money, travel to rediculous places, go on digs, write write write... and be in a band on the side. nothing intrigues me more. nautical archeology seems awesome. i'll find a UFO wreck or atlantis or something. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 18,2009 4:07pm - arilliusbm ""] I want to do the same thing. Absolutely disgusted with corporate america. would much rather be on the forefront of something exciting rather than sitting in a cube farting all day. |
| _________________________________ [Jun 18,2009 4:12pm - darkwor ""] RIGHT...wouldn't you rather sit in a mass grave and fart all day? |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 18,2009 4:22pm - arilliusbm ""] Did you hear about the new village they found in southern England that predates stonehenge? I was just reading about it on National Geographic. |
| _________________________________ [Jun 18,2009 4:26pm - darkwor ""] the one where he randomly spotted these suspect mounds in the field from a helicopter and figured he should check it out...yeah...awesome. and of course the viking settlement in nunavut... mmm...fuck you columbus. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 18,2009 4:29pm - arilliusbm ""] yeah, they originally thought they were "crop circles." completely off topic now.. but do you take an interest in OOPArts? Out-of-Place-Artifacts. Some of them are very strange indeed. There's one locally called the "Dorchester Pot" Here's a brief list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-place_artifact |
| _________________________________________ [Jun 18,2009 4:46pm - Conservationist ""] darkwor said:True knowledge of history is the solution to world issues, but the warped interpretations of it will always exist. You say multiculturalism killed major population centers, but that idea only files with right-leaning historians. What makes you assume that those who are not right-leaning are automatically correct? Keep in mind that if someone doesn't lean to the right, they probably lean to the left. Also note that those left-leaning historians have failed to produce a record of stellar successes of diversity. In fact, they cannot produce any. Let the facts talk, not the ideology. If I'm biased toward the right, you're biased toward the left -- and none of us should accept your bias automatically because it accords with the most popular biases. After all history shows us that most people are oblivious to the truth until it smacks them in the face, and "just about everybody" is sure the truth is bullshit until that time. |
| _____________________________ [Jun 18,2009 5:39pm - pam ""] darkwor said: pam said:Or it is avoiding a pointless argument that will do nothing to change anyone's mindset. call it pointless argument, but sometimes i do enjoy debates with people who don't resort to name-calling and reciting what they heard on tv. rare thing. Whatdaya trying to say? hmmmmmm. DICK. ;) |
| _______________________________________ [Jun 19,2009 12:49am - ArrowHeadNLI ""] RustyPS said: arilliusbm said:Society needs hope in something in order to function. People need to believe their meaning of existence is not empty, but full of reason and purpose. However, I just think somebody just needs to sprinkle a little knowledge and intellect into the majority of people in this country. It really embarrasses me that there are people like this in America: bennyhillifier either those people were paid to be stupid, or Americans are much dumber than I thought.........which is scary In their defense, you ever have a random stranger stick a camera in your face and start asking you questions? Sometimes an awkward situation makes even the smartest of us say some stupid shit. |
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