Senate passes $787 billion stimulus bill[views:9879][posts:68]____________________________________________ [Feb 14,2009 12:43pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/13/news/econo...us/index.htm?postversion=2009021322 One signature away from happening. I hope all of you realize how horrible this monstrocity is. I've gone from being worried about the economy to down right fucking angry. :nuke: |
| __________________________________ [Feb 14,2009 1:02pm - niccolai ""] I hate this fucking country. This didn't work when russia did it... why is it going to work for us? |
| _____________________________ [Feb 14,2009 1:09pm - pam ""] You guys got a better solution? Say tax cuts and I'll punch you in the e-face. |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 14,2009 1:09pm - MASlayer ""] Thanks democrats! |
| _______________________________ [Feb 14,2009 1:12pm - Hoser ""] TAX CUTS. Fuck these socialists. |
| __________________________________ [Feb 14,2009 1:19pm - niccolai ""] pam said:You guys got a better solution? Say tax cuts and I'll punch you in the e-face. Stop spending trillions of dollars to destroy people that aren't a threat to us? Stop paying for weapons to destroy middle eastern infrastructure, and then paying again to rebuild it? Abbolish the federal reserve to stop creating money with debt? Stop sending billions in foriegn aid to countries that have a higher rate of employment than us? Stop spending billions funding the IRS and CIA? hell, You wouldn't haveto cut taxes if you did all that. The government wouldn't even need to tax you alot if they were saving that kind of money. It's down right insanity spending that kind of money on the above with unemployment so high and such an intense national deficit. In fact, it destroyed Soviet Russia. So you want a better solution then the bailouts? There it is. I actually can't think of a WORSE solution then printing money out of thin air and keeping spending habbits the same. Start counting your dollars Pam. They will be Rubles soon enough. |
| ___________________________________________ [Feb 14,2009 1:21pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] pam said:You guys got a better solution? Say tax cuts and I'll punch you in the e-face. They should have at least had the mortgage credit be $15 grand (not $8K) and make it for ALL home buyers and not just first timers. The money from one or both "bailouts" would have been better used by whiping out comsumer debt so people could spend money on goods and services instead of paying off all their debt. This would effectively stimulate more spending, curb job loss and create more opportunity for people to refinance their homes to avoid forclosure. Instead we inject this now worthless but uncomprehendable amount of cash into a banking system led by crooks who are just gonna misapproprioate the funds anyways. I see absolute no way how this bill will have any positive effects on our country's current situation. The worst part is none of the senators even read the goddamn thing. |
| _________________________________ [Feb 14,2009 1:22pm - RustyPS ""] I'm happy cause my job bascially just got saved by this going through. |
| ___________________________________________ [Feb 14,2009 1:24pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] niccolai said: Start counting your dollars Pam. They will be Rubles soon enough. no they will be Ameros. |
| ____________________________________ [Feb 14,2009 1:26pm - deathchick ""] niccolai said: pam said:You guys got a better solution? Say tax cuts and I'll punch you in the e-face. Stop spending trillions of dollars to destroy people that aren't a threat to us? Stop paying for weapons to destroy middle eastern infrastructure, and then paying again to rebuild it? Abbolish the federal reserve to stop creating money with debt? Stop sending billions in foriegn aid to countries that have a higher rate of employment than us? Stop spending billions funding the IRS and CIA? hell, You wouldn't haveto cut taxes if you did all that. The government wouldn't even need to tax you alot if they were saving that kind of money. It's down right insanity spending that kind of money on the above with unemployment so high and such an intense national deficit. In fact, it destroyed Soviet Russia. Exactly! |
| ___________________________________________ [Feb 14,2009 1:42pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/13/stimulus.winners.losers/index.html Foreclosures: $2 billion is set for a neighborhood stabilization program that helps areas plagued with foreclosures by buying back properties and preventing blight. - what? |
| _________________________________ [Feb 14,2009 1:44pm - reimroc ""] i don't know what to think about this. |
| _________________________________ [Feb 14,2009 1:47pm - W3 nli ""] where's my money. |
| ___________________________________________ [Feb 14,2009 1:48pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] Heres a list of the earmarks attached to the bill. -$2 billion earmark to re-start FutureGen, a near-zero emissions coal power plant in Illinois that the Department of Energy defunded last year because it said the project was inefficient. -A $246 million tax break for Hollywood movie producers to buy motion picture film. -$650 million for the digital television converter box coupon program. -$88 million for the Coast Guard to design a new polar icebreaking ship. -$448 million for constructing the Department of Homeland Security headquarters. -$248 million for furniture at the new Homeland Security headquarters. -$600 million to buy hybrid vehicles for federal employees. -$400 million for the Centers for Disease Control to screen and prevent STD’s. -$1.4 billion for rural waste disposal programs. -$125 million for the Washington sewer system. -$150 million for Smithsonian museum facilities. -$1 billion for the 2010 Census, which already has a projected cost overrun of $3 billion. -$75 million for “smoking cessation activities.” -$200 million for public computer centers at community colleges. -$75 million for salaries of employees at the FBI. -$25 million for tribal alcohol and substance abuse reduction. -$500 million for flood reduction projects on the Mississippi River. -$10 million to inspect canals in urban areas. -$6 billion to turn federal buildings into “green” buildings. -$500 million for state and local fire stations. -$650 million for wildland fire management on forest service lands. -$1.2 billion for “youth activities,” including youth summer job programs. -$88 million for renovating the headquarters of the Public Health Service. -$412 million for CDC buildings and property. -$500 million for building and repairing National Institutes of Health facilities in Bethesda, Maryland. -$160 million for “paid volunteers” at the Corporation for National and Community Service. -$5.5 million for “energy efficiency initiatives” at the Department of Veterans Affairs National Cemetery Administration. -$850 million for Amtrak. -$100 million for reducing the hazard of lead-based paint. -$75 million to construct a “security training” facility for State Department Security officers when they can be trained at existing facilities of other agencies. -$110 million to the Farm Service Agency to upgrade computer systems. -$200 million in funding for the lease of alternative energy vehicles for use on military installations. http://1stnews.org/373/stimulus-earmarks/ |
| ____________________________________ [Feb 14,2009 1:56pm - deathchick ""] National debt is now over 12 trillion dollars. Wooooooooo. |
| ___________________________________________ [Feb 14,2009 1:56pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] we are frogs being boiled to death |
| ___________________________________________ [Feb 14,2009 2:01pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] -$160 million for “paid volunteers” at the Corporation for National and Community Service. http://www.nationalservice.org/about/focus_areas/disaster.asp |
| ___________________________________________ [Feb 14,2009 2:08pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] "Even if the U.S. savings rate were to rise from zero to its long-term average of 8% of disposable personal income, that would create only an additional $830 billion of savings - not enough to fund the domestic share of the deficit. Interest rates would probably have to rise substantially to pull in more foreign investors. " http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/13/news/econo...ws/index.htm?postversion=2009021311 |
| _________________________________ [Feb 14,2009 2:16pm - W3 nli ""] game over man, burn it down and start again |
| _____________________________ [Feb 14,2009 2:56pm - pam ""] niccolai said: pam said:You guys got a better solution? Say tax cuts and I'll punch you in the e-face. Stop spending trillions of dollars to destroy people that aren't a threat to us? Stop paying for weapons to destroy middle eastern infrastructure, and then paying again to rebuild it? Abbolish the federal reserve to stop creating money with debt? Stop sending billions in foriegn aid to countries that have a higher rate of employment than us? Stop spending billions funding the IRS and CIA? hell, You wouldn't haveto cut taxes if you did all that. The government wouldn't even need to tax you alot if they were saving that kind of money. It's down right insanity spending that kind of money on the above with unemployment so high and such an intense national deficit. In fact, it destroyed Soviet Russia. So you want a better solution then the bailouts? There it is. I actually can't think of a WORSE solution then printing money out of thin air and keeping spending habbits the same. Start counting your dollars Pam. They will be Rubles soon enough. Yes but Nicc, you're assuming people in government have sense in their fucking heads. I don't think this is a great idea or anything but it's better than TAX CUTS HOSER. Cause those have worked GREAT before, right? Trickle down economics is a stupid fucking idea that doesn't work. I'm so beyond caring right now. We're unemployed, FUCKED and completely devoid of any hope to be gainfully employed anytime soon... Let it burn, I don't care anymore. |
| _____________________________ [Feb 14,2009 3:00pm - pam ""] FuckIsMySignature said:Heres a list of the earmarks attached to the bill. -$2 billion earmark to re-start FutureGen, a near-zero emissions coal power plant in Illinois that the Department of Energy defunded last year because it said the project was inefficient. -A $246 million tax break for Hollywood movie producers to buy motion picture film. -$650 million for the digital television converter box coupon program. -$88 million for the Coast Guard to design a new polar icebreaking ship. -$448 million for constructing the Department of Homeland Security headquarters. -$248 million for furniture at the new Homeland Security headquarters. -$600 million to buy hybrid vehicles for federal employees. -$400 million for the Centers for Disease Control to screen and prevent STD’s. -$1.4 billion for rural waste disposal programs. -$125 million for the Washington sewer system. -$150 million for Smithsonian museum facilities. -$1 billion for the 2010 Census, which already has a projected cost overrun of $3 billion. -$75 million for “smoking cessation activities.” -$200 million for public computer centers at community colleges. -$75 million for salaries of employees at the FBI. -$25 million for tribal alcohol and substance abuse reduction. -$500 million for flood reduction projects on the Mississippi River. -$10 million to inspect canals in urban areas. -$6 billion to turn federal buildings into “green” buildings. -$500 million for state and local fire stations. -$650 million for wildland fire management on forest service lands. -$1.2 billion for “youth activities,” including youth summer job programs. -$88 million for renovating the headquarters of the Public Health Service. -$412 million for CDC buildings and property. -$500 million for building and repairing National Institutes of Health facilities in Bethesda, Maryland. -$160 million for “paid volunteers” at the Corporation for National and Community Service. -$5.5 million for “energy efficiency initiatives” at the Department of Veterans Affairs National Cemetery Administration. -$850 million for Amtrak. -$100 million for reducing the hazard of lead-based paint. -$75 million to construct a “security training” facility for State Department Security officers when they can be trained at existing facilities of other agencies. -$110 million to the Farm Service Agency to upgrade computer systems. -$200 million in funding for the lease of alternative energy vehicles for use on military installations. http://1stnews.org/373/stimulus-earmarks/ ^ I'm happy about 95% of that. That shit all makes jobs, saves us loot in the future and boosts preventive care which costs us less in dying people later. This isn't flushing money down the toilet. Maybe it's not the miracle fix all but if they're going to fix our infrastructure...employing a shit-ton of people in the process...I think it's worth a shot. But you can go ahead and call me a bunch of names now. Enjoy. |
| ___________________________________________ [Feb 14,2009 3:12pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] i understand your angle pam but i just think this is the wrong way to go about it. i would love to be wrong about all this. |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 14,2009 4:10pm - the_reverend ""] amtrak? what the hell is that? |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 14,2009 4:12pm - MASlayer ""] A flat tax plan and the eradication of the federal income tax would in 1 year bear a minimum of about $480 billion...if interested just ask and I'll show you the way |
| ___________________________________________ [Feb 14,2009 4:17pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dib2-HBsF08 |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 14,2009 4:44pm - SkinSandwich ""] I think they need to tax the shit out of Miracle Whip. [img] [img] |
| _____________________________ [Feb 14,2009 4:57pm - pam ""] FuckIsMySignature said:i understand your angle pam but i just think this is the wrong way to go about it. i would love to be wrong about all this. Yeah I hear ya. It would be nice if we passed this bill before Iraq/Debtpalooza, but only this level of desperation will get Republicans to spend money on our infrastructure, schools and preventative medicine programs. |
| ________________________________________ [Feb 14,2009 5:00pm - AndrewBastard ""] CHANGE! |
| _________________________________________ [Feb 14,2009 5:02pm - Conservationist ""] pam said:You guys got a better solution? Say tax cuts and I'll punch you in the e-face. Bring back the WPA and kick out all parasites. |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 14,2009 5:10pm - goatcatalyst ""] This thread sucks. Needs tits. [img] There we go. |
| ___________________________________________ [Feb 14,2009 5:16pm - tinygiantclothing ""] i feel cheated. we bought a house in dec 07 and bought a new car sept 08 we were only a couple months from being able to get the car credit and we bought a house a year too early i guess.. this bailout is crap.. just another example of giving money to greedy companies who can't make good use of the money they had in the first place.. Free market? guess not.. if it were they would let the companies fail that should fail. if you cant make a better car.. then its not problem to pay higher taxes to make sure you can sell cars... start making better cars.. dont come after my money. If i can sell t-shirts can i go to ford and make them pay me money to keep afloat? nope. i think obamas "Hope and change" is more like He hopes it'll change. its just going to make things far worst for my age group as we get older (20's) crappy thing too.. my wife and I were just laid off and because we work part time for our selves and part time in retail we wont be eligible for unemployment.. to pick up the slack while we are out of work.. I think they should have taken the 790billion and divided it fairly among the 300million US citizens. homeless, home owners.. whatever.. it would have went 100% back in to the economy and the problem would have been solved. .. well if everyone didnt just quit their jobs with their new fortunes lol as far as iraq.. the should have taken out sadam .. then let the iraqis sort it out. they will never had democracy out there though .. they are based on a totally different believe system. our democracy was base on values and ethics of a (dare i say it) Christian belief system. and over there they are on a totally different set of ethics and ideals. They don't believe in sexual equality and things of that nature .. that our modern western society does believe in. they are not only asking them to setup a new form of government but to drop their morals and their beliefs to better align with the US model of government. It wont work. |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 14,2009 7:39pm - Lamp nli ""] SkinSandwich said:I think they need to tax the shit out of Miracle Whip. [img] Fuck, this picture is so sexy. |
| _________________________________ [Feb 14,2009 7:40pm - W3 nli ""] NO, no it's def not. Yeah 100% def negatory on the sexy picture. |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 15,2009 11:38am - niccolai ""] tinygiantclothing said: I think they should have taken the 790billion and divided it fairly among the 300million US citizens. homeless, home owners.. whatever.. it would have went 100% back in to the economy and the problem would have been solved. I see alot of people saying this lately, but i think it's flawed. How many people spent their simulus checks last year on vacationing out of the country? How many people used it as payments toward their japanese or german car? How many people used it to buy those built in japan plasma TVs and other home electronics? How many people bought computers with it? How many people spent it at places like walmart, and target instead of small, local stores? If you give the money directly to the people, they give it to everyone else in the world. The american People aren't responsible enough, large corporations aren't responsible enough, and most politicians aren't responsible enough for any sort of stimulus plan to EVER work. This is black and white: THE ONLY WAY TO IMPROVE OUR ECONOMY IS TO CUT SPENDING. NOT CONTINUE SPENDING AND JUST PRINT MORE MONEY. that 790$ bailout will end up costing us 1.2 trillion in inflation since the federal reserve prints it all based on dept. If anyone here gets stimulus, I hope you enjoy spending it and bitching that the cost of milk going up to 13$ a gallon in the next 3 years, and gas hitting the $8 mark. |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 15,2009 11:41am - niccolai ""] pam said: ^ I'm happy about 95% of that. That shit all makes jobs, saves us loot in the future and boosts preventive care which costs us less in dying people later. -It doesn't create perminent jobs or careers -all the loot it will save you in the future will be worth 30 cents on the current dollar due to inflation -and people NEED to die. It keeps the world turning. |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 15,2009 11:43am - niccolai ""] pam said: Yes but Nicc, you're assuming people in government have sense in their fucking heads. wel.... We coulda had Paul. he would have fought for all of those things. ... and i know how much you love Paul =P |
| _______________________________________ [Feb 15,2009 5:33pm - neverpurified ""] niccolai said: tinygiantclothing said: I think they should have taken the 790billion and divided it fairly among the 300million US citizens. homeless, home owners.. whatever.. it would have went 100% back in to the economy and the problem would have been solved. How many people used it as payments toward their japanese or german car? . which is probably assembled here in the US, as opposed to buying an "American" car, with parts made in China, and probably assembled in Canada? |
| _________________________________________ [Feb 15,2009 5:40pm - Conservationist ""] The problem is that we need to subsidize industry without making it noncompetitive. Bailouts are stop-gaps, but something needs to follow them to get people spending again. The problem with stimulus checks is that middle class people put them in the bank... |
| _______________________________________ [Feb 15,2009 5:41pm - neverpurified ""] well to my understanding, instead of a check, Americans will see a reduction on their taxes every paycheck, albeit a small one. |
| _________________________________________ [Feb 16,2009 1:54am - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] We should build a $787 billion bomb that vaporizes 75% of life on the planet and then drop it somewhere shitty like India. |
| _______________________________ [Feb 16,2009 12:46pm - Yeti ""] FuckIsMySignature said:$650 million for the digital television converter box coupon program. i think this is the one that makes me the angriest. when the fuck did tv become a right instead of a priviledge? if you can't afford to switch over, then you don't get to watch tv. i haven't had cable in almost a year because i can't afford it, and you know what i do with my time? i find something to do. 650 million wasted. |
| ____________________________________________ [Feb 16,2009 12:52pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] "I'M AS MAD AS HELL... AND I'M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!" |
| ____________________________________________ [Feb 16,2009 12:53pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] neverpurified said:well to my understanding, instead of a check, Americans will see a reduction on their taxes every paycheck, albeit a small one. tell that to the 3 million people that just lost their jobs. |
| _______________________________ [Feb 16,2009 7:05pm - Hoser ""] The Savior shall fix it all....OOOOOBAAAAMA OOOOBAMMMA......go ahead you nitwaits...chant it....OOOOBAAAAAMA. HAHA he's fucked. |
| _______________________________ [Feb 16,2009 7:05pm - Hoser ""] Niggers can't take care of their own families....haha, a country? HAH BAM! |
| _________________________________________ [Feb 16,2009 7:15pm - orgymaggotfeast ""] the bailout/stimulus bill = hypocrisy it's obama doing the same type of shit he criticized bush for doing. do me, hoser and conservationist get to say "i told ya so" yet? or shall we wait until we are in a full blown depression? |
| _______________________________ [Feb 16,2009 7:35pm - Hoser ""] Easy man....Don't come down on the Savior. They come down on the followers of Jesus, and they dun went and dun the same thing themselves.... DUUUUURN! Told 'em so.... |
| _______________________________ [Feb 16,2009 7:36pm - Hoser ""] Sorry piggies.... |
| __________________________________ [Feb 16,2009 7:45pm - mortalis ""] ronpaul08 |
| _______________________________ [Feb 16,2009 7:46pm - Hoser ""] pffffttt....we could have been so lucky. |