2012 Israeli/Palestinian Conflict[views:18153][posts:72]____________________________________ [Nov 16,2012 8:07am - arilliusbm ""] Israel is marching towards Gaza right now with a bunch of troops. TIME FOR MORE WAR. Hamas shoots rockets, Israel sends artillery and troops. Looks like it's going to get ugly. Will this conflict ever end? [img] |
| ______________________________ [Nov 16,2012 8:12am - Yeti ""] one of the leaders of Hamas referred to it as "open war" yesterday. and for what? RELIGION. |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 16,2012 8:19am - largefreakatzero ""] But Israel is on our side! This will never end. Fuck the jews, fuck the arabs, let them all kill each other. |
| ______________________________ [Nov 16,2012 8:24am - Yeti ""] Muslims against Christians and the Arabs versus Jews the fighting won't stop! no one wins, we all lose |
| ________________________________ [Nov 16,2012 8:48am - Mark_R ""] largefreakatzero said: This will never end. Us being involved will not improve anything. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 16,2012 8:54am - Burnsy ""] Oh hey there WW3. I knew you were lurking around here somewhere. |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 16,2012 9:14am - quintessence ""] I'm much more on the arabs of the area's side then the fucking entitled nazi/jews of Israel. The fact we support either of them is pathetic. |
| __________________________________ [Nov 16,2012 9:21am - ShadowSD ""] Two days ago, Israel suddenly assassinates Hamas leader after a relatively long period of calm. Yesterday, Hamas retalliates with rockets into Israel. Now, the Israeli leader is calling for an expanding conflict with 30K ground troops to retalliate against the rockets. I guess Mad Bomber Netanyahu was planning on provoking this all with the assassination as soon as the election was over. [img] Fortunately, not all national mainstream press here seems to be playing along in burying the lead of the initial assassination which started this latest flurry of war, the AP posted a good article on this. Maybe the fact that the public has voted against the neoconservative pre-emptive war philosophy in two electoral college landslides has finally deadened the media appeal of being apologists for that kind of philosophy, even when coming from the Israeli far right, which has in the past been seldom challenged by the mainstream press with evenhanded reporting. If most of the public here that is aware of the news on this topic has the right information, that might actually give the Obama administration enough support on this issue to follow through with their threats to sanction Israel if it keeps pulling this shit. We don't need to be funding their military conquests. |
| ____________________________________________ [Nov 16,2012 9:28am - the unknown comic ""] What's the difference between pizzas and Jews? Pizzas don't scream in the oven. [img] |
| __________________________________ [Nov 16,2012 9:45am - ShadowSD ""] Even if you take the view that all jokes are fair game, you probably don't realize that aside from that, you just undermined everything I just said with that one line; it's like making beheading jokes about the French Revolution while Napoleon was still conquering Europe, or making jokes about German suffering in the 20's two decades later. The key argument used by oppressors is pointing out the time in history when they were oppressed, and playing into their narrative even with jokes just enables more oppression. Netanyahu would copy and paste your post a million times if he could, saying "this is what we're up against". Derp. |
| ______________________________ [Nov 16,2012 9:51am - ark ""] quintessence said:I'm much more on the arabs of the area's side then the fucking entitled nazi/jews of Israel. The fact we support either of them is pathetic. agreed. and i doubt obama will sanction israel. if anything the UN will, but obama follows the same tune as most of the rest of the western govt's attitudes toward israel. |
| ____________________________________________ [Nov 16,2012 9:56am - the unknown comic ""] ShadowSD said:Even if you take the view that all jokes are fair game, you probably don't realize that aside from that, you just undermined everything I just said with that one line; it's like making beheading jokes about the French Revolution while Napoleon was still conquering Europe, or making jokes about German suffering in the 20's two decades later. The key argument used by oppressors is pointing out the time in history when they were oppressed, and playing into their narrative even with jokes just enables more oppression. Netanyahu would copy and paste your post a million times if he could, saying "this is what we're up against". Derp. Well I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong. |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 16,2012 10:04am - ShadowSD ""] ark said:agreed. and i doubt obama will sanction israel. if anything the UN will, but obama follows the same tune as most of the rest of the western govt's attitudes toward israel. It's less likely than more that Israel will ultimately be sanctioned by the US, but the escalating and very real of threat of doing so if they don't back off should at least continue to be used to stop them from going overboard, just as it had for the last three years. Sanctions against Israel is something the American government never threatened before this administration and I do think it counts as a significant shift even just as a negotiating tactic; it just needs to be repeated again often and firmly to the Israelis in the wake of this latest attempt to start a war. In the end, Israel will probably back off to not risk it, because they badly need us economically, which is why I agree it's less likely sanctions would actually happen in the end. But the use of that tool is crucial. |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 16,2012 11:25am - Eli_Hhcb ""] The coverage on www.aljazeera.com is really good. The IDF posted a.youtube video of the assassination on their twitter. Social media is getting nuts. |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 16,2012 11:30am - the_reverend ""] quintessence said:I'm much more on the arabs of the area's side then the fucking entitled nazi/jews of Israel. The fact we support either of them is pathetic. This... |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 16,2012 11:30am - Randy_Marsh ""] Postby MurderGram » November 15th, 2012, 5:16 pm Watchin the news at the crib.. CNN While smoken a blunt Isreal is basically at war with palestine these niggas is droppin bombs, shootin rockets, doin arial strikes on each otha left n right they had sum black girl reporter on the front lines and a jet flew rite ova her and dropped a bomb on a crib the power to the camera went out n shit lol this shits wild nigga :lol: y'all think we finna get involved? |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 16,2012 11:36am - the_reverend ""] bennyhillifier |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 16,2012 11:41am - largefreakatzero ""] ^Politics aside, that was way fucking cool. |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 16,2012 11:50am - the_reverend ""] Was that an air strike? I tried to frame by frame it, but couldn't really tell |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 16,2012 11:50am - arilliusbm ""] LOL. |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 16,2012 11:59am - largefreakatzero ""] the_reverend said:Was that an air strike? I tried to frame by frame it, but couldn't really tell I couldn't see any missile/bomb either, though it seems like a guided air attack would be most likely. |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 16,2012 12:24pm - the_reverend ""] hm... you would figure you could see the american flag on them. |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 16,2012 12:27pm - The True Zircon ""] Scott Wily!! Its over once and 4ALL!! DEC.21! Lol! http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/zirconsongs |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 16,2012 12:27pm - arilliusbm ""] Because of the vantage point of the video, it is safe to say that it was an aerial attack. Not to mention they haven't really used ground attacks yet. Haven't you guys ever seen the aerial attack videos from Iraq and Afghanistan? The only other thing would be a bomb placed in the car. But whats the point of taping it from above when you can just attack from above? |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 16,2012 12:28pm - King Dong ""] Wily! Your a loooooooser! |
| __________________________________ [Nov 16,2012 2:39pm - ShadowSD ""] Fuck, it's even worse than we thought: Jabari held draft of truce agreement when assassinated - Jews For Justice For Palestinians |
| ________________________________ [Nov 17,2012 2:08am - Burnsy ""] FWIW Rockets Fired from Egypt Hit Israel Village |
| _______________________________ [Nov 17,2012 9:26am - Hoser ""] arilliusbm said:Because of the vantage point of the video, it is safe to say that it was an aerial attack. Not to mention they haven't really used ground attacks yet. Haven't you guys ever seen the aerial attack videos from Iraq and Afghanistan? The only other thing would be a bomb placed in the car. But whats the point of taping it from above when you can just attack from above? To verify that he in fact doesn't exit the car. Basically, to verify his death so that it can be reported, taken credit for, and hopefully used by psyops to avert any further dissention with Hamas because their future leaders will fear for their own lives as well as the lives of their families. War is as much a head game as astrophysics. If you strike fear into the hearts of their leaders, they'll call off the dogs and seek diplomacy. Nothing like a little airstrike to have Hamas scratching their heads and wondering if its really all worth it. It will also send the true terrorists underground. You'll start seeing more car bombings and subversive hits in Jerusalem from now on. We need to turn the entire middle east into one big glass parking lot surrounding a huge 24-hour super Wal-Mart that's complete with a carnival and a petting zoo for the youngsters. |
| _______________________________ [Nov 17,2012 9:32am - Hoser ""] It does look like a bomb in the car BTW. An airstirke would have blown the car to smithereens and there would have been no fire. A munitions dump from the sky typically looks like the target just "pops" into a million pieces. In this case you can clearly see the hood pop off and fire engulf the vehicle...more typical of an incendiary device of some sort...and very precise...to the point of my belief that it was in fact a bomb planted on the vehicle and possibly detonated via radio transmission from the sky, or from some jamoke standing nearby with a cell phone. If it was det'd from the sky...well then there's your answer as to why they filmed it. Because they had to be close enough to transmit and also film him NEVER stepping out of the car again. Hope the asshole enjoys his 72 virgins. |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 17,2012 9:49am - Boozegood ""] Hoser said: We need to turn the entire middle east into one big glass parking lot surrounding a huge 24-hour super Wal-Mart that's complete with a carnival and a petting zoo for the youngsters. Wait, that's not what your deployments were like? [img] |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 17,2012 10:55am - arilliusbm ""] ^^ hahah. But yea, I think you may be onto something Hoser. Looks like it may have been planted. It was obviously planned, though, as evident by the tape. |
| _______________________________ [Nov 17,2012 11:56am - ark ""] http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/11/17/a...passwords&utm_campaign=social+media When the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) this week began taking military action in the Gaza strip against Hamas (as the IDF announced on Twitter), Anonymous declared its own war as part of #OpIsrael. Among the casualties are thousands of email addresses and passwords, hundreds of Israeli Web sites, government-owned as well as privately owned pages, as well as databases belonging to Bank Jerusalem and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 17,2012 9:36pm - hungtableeed ""] [img] |
| ___________________________________________________________ [Nov 18,2012 2:17am - Smarky Smark and the Funky Bunch ""] [img] |
| ________________________________ [Nov 18,2012 10:28am - Hoser ""] hungtableeed said:[img] Nice picture and I agree with the basis of it, but the dead babies? The muslims have been killing babies far longer than anyone else. |
| _________________________________ [Nov 18,2012 10:30am - Burnsy ""] The Spartans killed babies before that. |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 18,2012 11:10am - ShadowSD ""] Obama seeks to head off Israeli ground invasion in Gaza BANGKOK – President Obama made his first remarks Sunday on the escalating violence in Gaza and Israel, firmly backing Israel's right to defend itself militarily against rocket attacks from the Hamas-controlled Palestinian area, but also making clear that he's eager to avert a potential ground incursion into Gaza by Israeli troops. "There's no country on Earth that would tolerate missiles raining down on its citizens from outside its borders," he said at a press conference here with the Thai prime minister. "We are fully supportive of Israel's right to defend itself." That aspect of Obama's comments was consistent with the line his aides and spokespeople have been putting out since the violence escalated last week. However, in response to a question about a possible move into Gaza by Israeli troops, the president made clear for the first time that the White House has a grim view of the outcome of Israeli troops entering Gaza." http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/11...-israels-right-to-149845.html?hp=f3 I'd really like him to be even tougher on the Israelis than this (publicly speaking against the assassination, not just the rocket fire and potential ground invasion as he has already done) - but this statement definitely beats the rap of that picture up there. Presidents historically have ALWAYS only dissuaded Israel from escalating against Palestinians privately (if at all), so to do so publicly is a pretty unprecedented step, even if balanced out by usual bullshit boilerplate rhetoric to provide cover for it. The real test now is whether this and behind the scenes pressure from the administration actually stops Israel from invading (odds are it will) - and if it doesn't stop them, what Obama does and says to respond to that. |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 18,2012 11:18am - ShadowSD ""] Hoser said:The muslims have been killing babies far longer than anyone else. Muslims have had less time killing babies than the other monotheistic faiths (Christianity/Judaism) because those religions have been around longer and got an earlier head start. The message: start your cult of delusion early if you want the high score. |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 18,2012 11:20am - ShadowSD ""] ark said:http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/11/17/anonymous-takes-down-countless-israeli-sites-wipes-databases-leaks-emails-addresses-and-passwords/?utm_source=HackerNews&utm_medium=share+button&utm_content=Anonymous%20takes%20down%20over%20550%20Israeli%20sites,%20wipes%20databases,%20leaks%20emails%20addresses%20and%20passwords&utm_campaign=social+media When the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) this week began taking military action in the Gaza strip against Hamas (as the IDF announced on Twitter), Anonymous declared its own war as part of #OpIsrael. Among the casualties are thousands of email addresses and passwords, hundreds of Israeli Web sites, government-owned as well as privately owned pages, as well as databases belonging to Bank Jerusalem and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. BAHAHAHA that's awesome. |
| ______________________________ [Nov 18,2012 7:59pm - ark ""] Hoser said:The muslims have been killing babies far longer than anyone else. that is so precious. |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 18,2012 8:16pm - Boozegood ""] arilliusbm said: [img] What is the point of this? Either surrender or keep fighting; what is this guy trying to prove? That the Israelis are totally meany pantses to the Palestinians? |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 18,2012 9:48pm - Early_Cuyler ""] Gawd ziller lives way over there in Jay-pan and thats a long ass commute for a beatdown |
| __________________________________ [Nov 19,2012 8:56am - ShadowSD ""] Boozegood said:what is this guy trying to prove? That the Israelis are totally meany pantses to the Palestinians? That when a rocket goes into Israel, it's a bodybuilder being attacked by a midget, not a piranha biting the throat of a baby deer, so when Americans hear "rocket fire from Hamas", the bully can't spin itself as the pity case. |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 19,2012 1:06pm - Boozegood ""] ShadowSD said: That when a rocket goes into Israel, it's a bodybuilder being attacked by a midget, not a piranha biting the throat of a baby deer, so when Americans hear "rocket fire from Hamas", the bully can't spin itself as the pity case. What does any of that even mean? A pity case? Who cares. The point is that Palestine shouldn't cry every-time Israel retaliates against one of their attacks. Give me a break. It's big boy rules; it's combat. If you shoot a rocket at the enemy, expect retaliation. If you are hiding amongst civilians; expect some civilians to die when you are attacked. This sign-holder should be doing something productive. He could learn a thing or two from Finland; all of Palestine could. Sure, petition various nations for help and state your cause. Do not do it in a whiny way or rely on it solely, though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War >Shoot un-guided random rocket at a densely populated area of Israel. >Hide amongst civilians. >Precision attack by Israel on your position. >The civilians you have surrounded yourself with die along with you. >"OMG EVIL ISRAEL KILLING BABIES!" Hamas logic. Now mind you I'm not saying Israel is super-duper or anything; this is all in response to that sign. IE: "I shoot a ROCKET at you and I'm to blame, waaah boohoo". Also it is absolutely mind boggling that people can't understand that if Hamas had the capabilities of Israel; Israel and all the civilians there-in would be wiped off the face of the earth. Liberals/The Left Wing/Whatever you want to call them will not believe that we are at war/have an enemy until someone is in their bedroom slitting their throat with a Shamshir. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 19,2012 1:09pm - arilliusbm ""] Ashkenazi power! |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 19,2012 1:16pm - Boozegood ""] Seriously, how long would you take rockets into your city before you attacked whoever was doing it? Honest question. [img] |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 19,2012 1:25pm - arilliusbm ""] You'd have to fight back. The big question, though: who WANTS Israel there? None of the neighboring countries do. It was such an unstable idea to begin with, and now our generation has to deal with the consequences. I don't think they'll ever have peace. |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 19,2012 1:30pm - Boozegood ""] arilliusbm said:You'd have to fight back. The big question, though: who WANTS Israel there? None of the neighboring countries do. It was such an unstable idea to begin with, and now our generation had to deal with the consequences. I don't think they'll ever have peace. There's a lot of things around the world that people don't 'want'. In this case, they have had more than their fair share of battles over that land so I would venture to say it has been won by Israel (even if it was 'given' at the beginning). Also, do you really think that if Israel wasn't there, that area of the world would somehow be MORE peaceful? |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 19,2012 1:40pm - arilliusbm ""] No, but I don't think having Israel's current government is good. In their defense, they always have to be on edge, given the relationship with their neighbors. It's funny how that area of the world has never been fully stable and how 3 Abrahmic religions squabble over little things. The oppression is unquestionable, but the Palestinians are also mornic for attacking. In some ways though, I can see why they hate Israel so much. If I were a youthful Palestinian who has seen my people oppressed, I would probably fight back too. If I was a youthful Jewish chap living in Jerusalem who wants to live in peace but end up seeing rockets coming down, I'd also be pissed off. I dont think there's any common ground for peace, and Israel's government has the weaponry and technology to destroy many of their neighbors. If Iran and Syria start actively jumping in more, this will get pretty damn ugly. |
| ______________________________ [Nov 19,2012 2:05pm - ark ""] hamas is not palestine. a two-state solution won't stop muslim infighting or muslims vs. jews. either way, they have to realize that a conflict now without stabilized neighboring governments would be a refugee, humanitarian, and economic nightmare for the entire region beyond the west bank. it's the only reason to cool it and allow peace talks to continue for the indefinite future. the bottom line is israel can't start a war with the approval of the west or it isolates itself, which it simply can't do. |