SAVE THE FUCKING BCCA! (PsyOpus benefit show!)[views:10264][posts:74]________________________________________ [Dec 14,2004 11:13am - Joe/NotCommon ""] I hate how people always try to set it up on this board like there is some sort of competition between me and every other promoter, because their isn't. I don't even know Jonah. To say my shows are any less DIY is bullshit, and to say things like 'Time for everyone who's bitching about no all ages shows to support' is stupid. I am sure alot of the bands I book would agree that time has come and gone. For some reason people outside the scene I book in try to act like I am some sort of evil empire and that these underground all ages shows should be supported more then the corporate shows from notcommon at those corporate dive bars like Obriens and the Block. It's the most ignorant attitude I've encountered in my life. For years these sorts of bands didn't have many places to play, and when they did it was mixed up on some stupid line up that got them nowhere. Alot of these bands wouldn't have places to play with bands they want to play with if it wasn't for me booking shows, it's not like I am just jumping to the fore front of some huge movement that already existed, we created this (me and the bands I book and the fans). Another thing, Jonah's shows seem to always have the same local bands so bashing me for that is retarded as well, I'd say I book from a wider selection of local bands. Just because it's not the same bands he does doesn't mean I am overlooking the true underground scene. Josh Ascendancy tried to do this same fucking thing with me and Nick of Silver, and what I just said goes for that as well. Nobody, well not any of promoters, are putting anyone in a position where we make them choose who to support, we just book shows that we want to book and have fun doing it. I think I can speak for Jonah on that. If you don't want to support shows in the 'scene' I am a part of and hate the bands then fine, but to act like it's anything more then that is just fucking gay and I hope you die. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 14,2004 11:20am - Josh_Martin ""] I just thought it was ridiculous Joe even got brought into it, because this gay ass benefit show is the same night as MY show, not one of Joe's. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 14,2004 12:08pm - JonahBloodbath ""] josh, the middle east is special because its one of the only boston venues that ISN'T owned by clear channel or lions group. its an indie. its still 18+, which sucks, but its important that they have stayed away from corporate interestets this long. in any case, diy shows rely on good turn out. there's no bar money, or high ticket prices, so I've gotta rely on people coming out in numbers if I want to raise money. Going to a DIY show vs. an 18+ bar show is a very concious choice. I'm glad you know whats up bornsovile.. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 14,2004 12:16pm - succubus ""] jonah, voice of reasoning, bloodbath! =) |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 14,2004 4:53pm - BornSoVile ""] Joe/NotCommon said:I hate how people always try to set it up on this board like there is some sort of competition between me and every other promoter, because their isn't. I don't even know Jonah. To say my shows are any less DIY is bullshit, and to say things like 'Time for everyone who's bitching about no all ages shows to support' is stupid. I am sure alot of the bands I book would agree that time has come and gone. For some reason people outside the scene I book in try to act like I am some sort of evil empire and that these underground all ages shows should be supported more then the corporate shows from notcommon at those corporate dive bars like Obriens and the Block. It's the most ignorant attitude I've encountered in my life. For years these sorts of bands didn't have many places to play, and when they did it was mixed up on some stupid line up that got them nowhere. Alot of these bands wouldn't have places to play with bands they want to play with if it wasn't for me booking shows, it's not like I am just jumping to the fore front of some huge movement that already existed, we created this (me and the bands I book and the fans). Another thing, Jonah's shows seem to always have the same local bands so bashing me for that is retarded as well, I'd say I book from a wider selection of local bands. Just because it's not the same bands he does doesn't mean I am overlooking the true underground scene. Josh Ascendancy tried to do this same fucking thing with me and Nick of Silver, and what I just said goes for that as well. Nobody, well not any of promoters, are putting anyone in a position where we make them choose who to support, we just book shows that we want to book and have fun doing it. I think I can speak for Jonah on that. If you don't want to support shows in the 'scene' I am a part of and hate the bands then fine, but to act like it's anything more then that is just fucking gay and I hope you die. Joe, you are paranoid. As far as the Nick Silver incident, you got insanely paranoid over me talking about all the promoters in the North East, but you magically interperted that as you being the only promoter. If anything that post was directed towards Sin promotions who at the time was actively pursuing shows in the area. I didn't pull anything on you, trying to make yourself look like a victim is so fucking retarded. I woulda told you this months ago in all those emails and phonecalls I sent to you but since you refused to talk about it (for whatever reason), you dwelled into your warped perception. I'm shocked you took the time to write a big paragraph about how ignorance bothers you. If you are so bothered by this shit you should start up your own thread instead of raiding Jonah's with this bullshit. Honesty goes a long way with me. THIS SHOW IS GONNA BE FUCKING INSANE!!!!!* *this statement in no such shape or form is directed in ignorance to Joe Notcommon or the participants in the opposing scene at the Watchmaker show on 12/19. |
| ________________________________________________ [Dec 14,2004 5:41pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] Ha !!! damn do gooders and you're do gooding !!!!!! |
| __________________________________ [Dec 14,2004 5:50pm - spitfire ""] why would you want to go anywhere Dec. 19 besides THE MIDDLE EAST? show some respect for one of the true underground kings of all time , Larry Lifeless |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 14,2004 10:48pm - JonahBloodbath ""] spitfire said:why would you want to go anywhere Dec. 19 besides THE MIDDLE EAST? Maybe you don't have $12? maybe your under 18? maybe your over 18, but aren't down with age restriced shows? maybe you want to see one of the most insane tech metal bands ever? I could go on. really. |
| ______________________________________________ [Dec 14,2004 11:34pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""] jesus christ...i never knew such a big production would be made over a benefit show the same night as a show at the middle east. first off, i'll say that i've tried listening to adolf satan's demo a million times and i can't stand it. some of the music sounds good, but larry lifeless has the worst voice i've ever heard. i don't know if that's the point, but nonetheless it's not my style but i have respect for them at the same time. i can see why some people argue for going to the middle east to see adolf satan and watchmaker, who are fucking awesome, just for a different style of music...but let's face it: the middle east has been around for a long time, it's doing very well on it's own right now and probably will for years to come. the BCCA, even though i'm not familiar with it, is at risk right now. i for one would favor going to the BCCA show, even if it was full of bands that suck ass, since watchmaker and adolf satan can get shows easily wherever, and the BCCA needs help...or i could just donate money to the BCCA and go to see watchmaker. i don't know if anyone on the middle east side of the argument in this thread complains about there not being enough places to have shows, low attendance at shows, fewer bands to play with, shitty kids going to shows, or just a lack of a tight knit 'scene', but if there are, they should think about what they're saying. anyone getting offended by this, don't get your panties in a knot. if you are offended, then you're probably someone that i'm talking about and you need to get the sand out of your vagina. there are a shitload of different bands in this area, and the number grows every day; there are fewer and fewer venues to play at, whether all ages or not. i'm 21 so i can get into any show i want, but i can remember missing a shitload of awesome shows when i was younger, and i don't like the idea of all ages shows being threatened, even if it's just one venue that may be going down. have some sense, get off your pedestals and toss a few bucks or at least some fucking words of encouragement to jonah. what he's doing is a million times better than 90% of the people in the whole 'scene' or whatever you want to call it, and i fully support him. i'm not sure if i can make it to either of these shows, but i'll try to toss a few bucks in soon. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 15,2004 12:13am - JonahBloodbath ""] thanks mark. I appreciate it man. are you ever doing another fest? |
| ______________________________________________ [Dec 15,2004 12:21am - MarkFuckingRichards ""] no problem dude, always glad to help haha, fest...i wish man. the 2nd bitter end fest was going to be sick as hell. i had a lot of awesome bands lined up, more help, and a much better set up and shorter schedule. unfortunately, money came into play. bills, college, and only working 2 days a week can take a toll on the old wallet. hopefully once i'm done with school (in a year and a half) i'll get back into setting up shows. there will never be another 'bitter end fest' but there will be something similar. there was no way that 'company' was staying alive with only 2 people actually giving a shit, but both with no money, heh. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 15,2004 6:03am - succubus ""] tonight is one benefit! go people go! |
| ______________________________________________ [Dec 15,2004 6:52am - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] otto said: i'll definetly be going to this show and showing support because we need all ages shows back in boston by an open minded promoter so it won't be just a strictly metal or a strictly grind or a strictly hardcore or a strictly indie or a strictly punk venue. Scenesucks Kid 1:I listen to rap every now and then Scenesucks Kid 2:Are you serious? Well rap is cool because you should listen to a lot of different kinds of music Scenesucks Kid 2:Yeah I listen to rap sometimes Scenesucks Kid 1:Yeah it's good to listen to more than just one type of music Scenesucks Kid 2:Yeah that rocks. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 15,2004 8:42am - Josh_Martin ""] JonahBloodbath said:spitfire said:why would you want to go anywhere Dec. 19 besides THE MIDDLE EAST? Maybe you don't have $12? maybe your under 18? maybe your over 18, but aren't down with age restriced shows? maybe you want to see one of the most insane tech metal bands ever? I could go on. really. It's $8.00 not $12.00. Thanks for lying. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 15,2004 8:46am - Josh_Martin ""] MarkFuckingRichards said:adolf satan can get shows easily wherever Yeah, maybe at dumps with shitty sound like O'Briens. It took a lot of talking to get this show at a real club with a real PA. The Middle East has had a lot of problems with metal shows in the past and metal was all but banned from there for a few years. It's only because Shred took over the booking that metal is getting another chance there. I had to agree to let him hire an extra bouncer in order to have this show there. Shows at the BCCA have been mostly emo/screamo type stuff. I really want a quality venue for real metal that's not in Worcester and run by mASSconcerts. Go to whichever show you want, but get your facts straight. |
| ____________________________ [Dec 15,2004 8:47am - . ""] I'm sure he didn't know, but you sure are an ignorant asshole Josh. I wouldn't go to your show if you paid me. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 15,2004 10:30am - Joe/NotCommon ""] BornSoVile said:Joe/NotCommon said:I hate how people always try to set it up on this board like there is some sort of competition between me and every other promoter, because their isn't. I don't even know Jonah. To say my shows are any less DIY is bullshit, and to say things like 'Time for everyone who's bitching about no all ages shows to support' is stupid. I am sure alot of the bands I book would agree that time has come and gone. For some reason people outside the scene I book in try to act like I am some sort of evil empire and that these underground all ages shows should be supported more then the corporate shows from notcommon at those corporate dive bars like Obriens and the Block. It's the most ignorant attitude I've encountered in my life. For years these sorts of bands didn't have many places to play, and when they did it was mixed up on some stupid line up that got them nowhere. Alot of these bands wouldn't have places to play with bands they want to play with if it wasn't for me booking shows, it's not like I am just jumping to the fore front of some huge movement that already existed, we created this (me and the bands I book and the fans). Another thing, Jonah's shows seem to always have the same local bands so bashing me for that is retarded as well, I'd say I book from a wider selection of local bands. Just because it's not the same bands he does doesn't mean I am overlooking the true underground scene. Josh Ascendancy tried to do this same fucking thing with me and Nick of Silver, and what I just said goes for that as well. Nobody, well not any of promoters, are putting anyone in a position where we make them choose who to support, we just book shows that we want to book and have fun doing it. I think I can speak for Jonah on that. If you don't want to support shows in the 'scene' I am a part of and hate the bands then fine, but to act like it's anything more then that is just fucking gay and I hope you die. Joe, you are paranoid. As far as the Nick Silver incident, you got insanely paranoid over me talking about all the promoters in the North East, but you magically interperted that as you being the only promoter. If anything that post was directed towards Sin promotions who at the time was actively pursuing shows in the area. I didn't pull anything on you, trying to make yourself look like a victim is so fucking retarded. I woulda told you this months ago in all those emails and phonecalls I sent to you but since you refused to talk about it (for whatever reason), you dwelled into your warped perception. I'm shocked you took the time to write a big paragraph about how ignorance bothers you. If you are so bothered by this shit you should start up your own thread instead of raiding Jonah's with this bullshit. Honesty goes a long way with me. THIS SHOW IS GONNA BE FUCKING INSANE!!!!!* *this statement in no such shape or form is directed in ignorance to Joe Notcommon or the participants in the opposing scene at the Watchmaker show on 12/19. Then be fucking honest, or maybe you forget the thread where you used my name to make your argument. Unless Megan changed her name to Joe, if so I apologize. Anyways, I am not making myself out to be a victim, I am just saying how things are with some people, and addressing their replies in this thread, which is why my reply is here you fucking faggot. Stop trying to make believe I am somehow trying to attack Jonah or his show. |
| ______________________________________________ [Dec 15,2004 11:50am - MarkFuckingRichards ""] Josh_Martin said:MarkFuckingRichards said:adolf satan can get shows easily wherever Yeah, maybe at dumps with shitty sound like O'Briens. It took a lot of talking to get this show at a real club with a real PA. The Middle East has had a lot of problems with metal shows in the past and metal was all but banned from there for a few years. It's only because Shred took over the booking that metal is getting another chance there. I had to agree to let him hire an extra bouncer in order to have this show there. Shows at the BCCA have been mostly emo/screamo type stuff. I really want a quality venue for real metal that's not in Worcester and run by mASSconcerts. Go to whichever show you want, but get your facts straight. sorry for that error; it just seems to me like adolf satan has an easier time than a lot of bands around here, since i see the name on a lot of bills and hear a lot of people talk about the band. granted it's hard for almost any band in any metal genre to get shows, it just appears to me that some have more efficiency than others in that area. and as far as the middle east goes, i say they're doing well because compared to a lot of other venues around here, they're the better venue. shitloads of places have a tough time with metal, and most of those places never have metal shows again or just close down. luckily the middle east has shred, so metal can continue to thrive at places like the middle east. in my book, i'd say the middle east is doing well. the bcca may have shows that you don't like, but it's still a venue that shouldn't go down the shitter for that reason only. and keep in mind, jonah said he'd be staff there if it stays in business...i know jonah, and jonah likes metal. just because there are a lot of 'emo/screamo' shows there doesn't mean it's going to stay that way. anyway, it doesn't matter how much arguing/bitching takes place in this thread. people who want to go see psyopus will see psyopus, and people who want to see watchmaker and adolf satan will go to see them. it's not like a bunch of kids are going to say "fuck watchmaker and adolf satan because they're not having a benefit show" that were originally planning to go to the middle east. so as far as i'm concerned, i'm done with arguing here because there is absolutely no fucking point. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 15,2004 1:06pm - JonahBloodbath ""] Im not really sure what emo/screamo this dude is talking about. The only "screamo" band i've ever booked there is prolly off minor. other then that its all been bands like Ed Gein, Kylesa, and Draw blood. not that I'm against emo/screamo, but thats kind of the point. ANY genre of music is welcome at this venue. Tonight an acoustic anarchist punk band is playing along side an indie rock band and a hardcore band. sunday is pretty fucking metal, with some hardcore thrown in. Art spaces dont have the booking limitations clubs do. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 15,2004 5:49pm - BornSoVile ""] Joe/NotCommon said:Then be fucking honest, or maybe you forget the thread where you used my name to make your argument. Unless Megan changed her name to Joe, if so I apologize. Show me the thread where I used your name. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 16,2004 3:32am - meanjean... ""] only reason to go= Psyopus. fuck all. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 18,2004 4:42pm - JonahBloodbath ""] well meanjean, tonights your night. PsyOpus had to cancel the rest of the shows on there tour. Apparently they got really sick and had to go home and see doctors. I've been scrambling to try and find a replacement but its just too short notice for all the big bands I know. For the love of fucking god PLEASE come to this show anyway. Support all ages. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 18,2004 4:43pm - JonahBloodbath ""] so bummed.. but hey, my band is gonna have tshirts for the first time. woopie.. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 18,2004 4:49pm - kyledoes ""] Oh well support bcca and all ages shows!!!!1 I hate saws!!! |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 18,2004 7:33pm - adam_time ""] yay, we have shirts too!! psyopus really dropped?!?!? damn those bastards. need any other bands to play that night? i say we get the_network to play... orrrrr does anyone know mastodon's phone number? hah. |