ATTN: Cav (or other Peavey Triple XXX users)[views:7773][posts:75]__________________________________________ [Mar 20,2007 12:46pm - DreamingInExile ""] I'm looking for suggestions on EQ/gain/dampening settings for a starting block for tone, I know tone is all individual, but a reference point for some things could prove useful for me, especially since we're playing a show on Sat night, and I don't have all the time in the world to spend building my sound at the moment. any help at all would be appreciated. this is primarily for the 'Crunch' & 'Ultra' channels, as I've nailed down my clean tone pretty much the way I want it. Thanks in advance! |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 20,2007 12:54pm - passerby'er ""] Sell that hunk of junk and get Behringer amps. Pretty much no matter what setting it's on will sound like gold and the solid state technology will never let you down. Tubes sound stupid and overly loud and will do nothing for you but break. i've tried out the triple xxx at guitar center and wished I hadn't. Then I found my Behringer. I hope you at least try it out. Are you guys having your first show this weekend? Where are you playing? |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 20,2007 12:54pm - passerby'er ""] Sell that hunk of junk and get Behringer amps. Pretty much no matter what setting it's on will sound like gold and the solid state technology will never let you down. Tubes sound stupid and overly loud and will do nothing for you but break. i've tried out the triple xxx at guitar center and wished I hadn't. Then I found my Behringer. I hope you at least try it out. Are you guys having your first show this weekend? Where are you playing? |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 20,2007 12:54pm - passerby'er ""] Sell that hunk of junk and get Behringer amps. Pretty much no matter what setting it's on will sound like gold and the solid state technology will never let you down. Tubes sound stupid and overly loud and will do nothing for you but break. i've tried out the triple xxx at guitar center and wished I hadn't. Then I found my Behringer. I hope you at least try it out. Are you guys having your first show this weekend? Where are you playing? |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 20,2007 12:55pm - passerby‘er ""] Sorry about that. My computer sucks. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 20,2007 1:00pm - BlackoutRick ""] Yup. We use the solid state equevalent of the XXX. The XXL. Sounds sick. We also use a Supreme head which we are happy with. |
| _________________________________________ [Mar 20,2007 1:07pm - DreamingInExile ""] passerby‘er said:Sell that hunk of junk and get Behringer amps. Pretty much no matter what setting it's on will sound like gold and the solid state technology will never let you down. Tubes sound stupid and overly loud and will do nothing for you but break. i've tried out the triple xxx at guitar center and wished I hadn't. Then I found my Behringer. I hope you at least try it out. Are you guys having your first show this weekend? Where are you playing? HAHAHAHA, this kid cracks me up! First show? no, that was ages ago, probably back when you were a stain in your daddys underwear. Behringer sucks, I just got rid of my behringer crap, forget solid state, it's not for me. enough said there, Im hitting the ignore button on this kid :bartmoon: EDIT: Damnit! I can't ignore anonymous tools! Rev, you need to reimplement that! |
| _________________________________________ [Mar 20,2007 2:56pm - DreamingInExile ""] bump for insight! |
| ______________________________ [Mar 20,2007 2:57pm - blue ""] cant go wrong with starting everything at 5 and working from there. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 20,2007 2:59pm - aaron_michael ""] passerby‘er said:Sell that hunk of junk and get Behringer amps. Pretty much no matter what setting it's on will sound like gold and the solid state technology will never let you down. Tubes sound stupid and overly loud and will do nothing for you but break. i've tried out the triple xxx at guitar center and wished I hadn't. Then I found my Behringer. I hope you at least try it out. Are you guys having your first show this weekend? Where are you playing? ok, I was always skeptical about if Passerby was a real person or not, but this just put the nail in the coffin. This HAS to be someone who posts regularly on this board if they're going to make a statement about Behringer like that! |
| __________________________________ [Mar 20,2007 3:08pm - brian_dc ""] blue said:cant go wrong with starting everything at 5 and working from there. True, this is always good. I know Cav's settings are all pretty middle of the road. Not going much higher than 6 or lower than 4 (speaking on a 0-10 measure). I forget where he has his gain...also not too high. It blows my mind that there is no presence control on these amps. |
| _________________________________________ [Mar 20,2007 3:18pm - DreamingInExile ""] yeah, I was pretty shocked at the lack of a presence control as well. Blue's advice (as always) is good, I'm really stumped on the 'ultra' channel on this amp, as it's got soooo much low end (not really a bad thing, but I'm not into tons of low end, that's the bassists territory) I guess I'll head down to my jamspace tonight and start futzing with eq knobs until I find what I'm looking for tone wise... I just want to try to eliminate the "boomyness" of the 'ultra' channel. |
| ______________________________ [Mar 20,2007 3:21pm - blue ""] DreamingInExile said:yeah, I was pretty shocked at the lack of a presence control as well. Blue's advice (as always) is good, I'm really stumped on the 'ultra' channel on this amp, as it's got soooo much low end (not really a bad thing, but I'm not into tons of low end, that's the bassists territory) I guess I'll head down to my jamspace tonight and start futzing with eq knobs until I find what I'm looking for tone wise... I just want to try to eliminate the "boomyness" of the 'ultra' channel. honestly, you're not going to find too much to use in the ultra channel. |
| _________________________________________ [Mar 20,2007 3:23pm - DreamingInExile ""] aaron_michael said:ok, I was always skeptical about if Passerby was a real person or not, but this just put the nail in the coffin. This HAS to be someone who posts regularly on this board if they're going to make a statement about Behringer like that! I've been thinking the same thing, I'm guessing it's someone with nice equipment as well, since we all know (especially me, first hand) how behringer amps really are: :bartmoon: I can't believe it took me so long to get rid of that damned thing too... well, I still have it, but it's no longer a part of my setup (it's for recording at my house now). Next on the chopping block is my POS Peavey 412, I'm still looking into replacement options, and I'm kinda leaning towards Vader since they're in the same pricerange as Marshalls, and I'll never be able to afford VHT cabnets without ending up divorced over it HAHAHA! |
| __________________________________ [Mar 20,2007 3:24pm - Sinistas ""] Go with the Ultra for leads, and that's about it, I'm guessing. |
| _________________________________________ [Mar 20,2007 3:27pm - DreamingInExile ""] blue said:honestly, you're not going to find too much to use in the ultra channel. yeah, ideally I'd like to use it for lead work, since it's got that bottom end to it, I should be able to round out the sound and get a nice fluid tone for sweeping and fast notey stuff. I know I'm gong to need to add some reverb to help things flow together, but for now, I'm just limited to what the head can do. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 20,2007 3:57pm - Sinistas ""] Shoulda gotten a matching JSX there ;) |
| _________________________________________ [Mar 20,2007 4:03pm - DreamingInExile ""] HAHA, I wish, I didn't have that kind of cash, or else I would have. I bought my Triple X used, because its the only way I would ever be able to afford it |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 20,2007 4:22pm - passerby‘er ""] I think people buy the triple xxx because all the nu-metalers say its cool and they don't know what they are talking about. That's why i go Behringer. It flies below the radar and never lets me down except for the time I couldn't control the feedback or the time I couldn't turn it on, but other than that, its never failed me once. Even you said you had one and said it wasn;t for you, except for the fact it was for you and you were using it. If I didn't use Behringer the only other amp I'd ever consider using would be the ibanez tone blaster(great amp) or crate digital solid state(Whoa!!!) Nuff said |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 20,2007 10:14pm - DreamingInExile ""] passerby‘er said:...It flies below the radar and never lets me down except for the time I couldn't control the feedback or the time I couldn't turn it on, but other than that, its never failed me once... you've just listed 2 failures you amuse me, post more of your in depth reviews of behringer garbage! |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 20,2007 10:23pm - GoatCatalyst ""] i loves me my Mesa Quad. mmm hmmm |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 20,2007 10:32pm - xanonymousx ""] Behringer doesn't korn use that amp? |
| _______________________________ [Mar 20,2007 10:45pm - blue ""] how much did you pay for your xxx mark? |
| ______________________________ [Mar 20,2007 11:22pm - cav ""] i use the lower gain channel...with the low on 6 mids on 4-5 his on 6 gain on 5-6 with the back damping switch on loose, that tends to change the tone quite a bit. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 20,2007 11:47pm - brian_dc ""] also, it's important to point out that Cav uses a guitar with EMG's. Those things make it sound a whole lot different. My guitar has Duncans and sounds completely different through his amp. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 21,2007 1:08am - diamond_dave ""] i don't have one anymore, but i used a XXX with the Nightmare Continues...i did use the ultra channel. massive feedback was part of our set, so i did always run the gain at about 3 o'clock (beyond that is just fizz). but regardless of that, it always sounded best to me keeping all the eq's at halfway. also, you'll get your best tone by pushing the power tubes. i always ran my volume at ten, which isn't everyone's thing, but it definitely needs to be loud to realize its full potential (as with any tube amp). |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 21,2007 1:51am - dyingmuse ""] I agree with The JSX comment lol, I love the thing, all I need is reverb. I bought that pedal and instant feedback!!!!!!! I will not buy 4 pedals just to get fucking reverb, that's for sure. Mark You sounded pretty rad tonight, a little more tweaks and you are on you way. To Sat!!!! Early tomorrow, so we can get the 3 guitars leveled off and sounding good together overall. If I didn't get stuck playing drums tonight and our drummer was there, we would have had all that shit done already! |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 21,2007 2:23am - GoatCatalyst ""] i'm wondering about experimenting with various pickups now that i've got that sensual machine... mesa quad! |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 21,2007 2:36am - Joshtruction ""] Sorry for being late to this. I was busy watching my child be born haha. ok, first thing you need to know about these amps is the fact they are one of the very few amps ever made with a true legit 100% active EQ. Basically that EQ has so much tone shaping control it is unreal. If you pay close attention the slightest movement of the EQ knobs can make a drastic difference in tone. This is also why it does not have a prescence control. For me (even though it id 3 channels) this amp is a one trick pony. I am not too big on the cleans, and to my ears the ultra channel sounds like ass. Now if you take that crunch channel, clean boost it, and EQ it so it really brings out the pickups and guitar tone, this amp pulls some KILLER tones. As I am sure you know 90% of the tone on this amp comes from the preamp, and you are pretty much shit out of luck trying to change the sound with the pwoer amp. Becuase of that stay far away from power amp distortion, it is not where this amp shines. Keep the channel volume pretty damn high and the master as low as you can for your music (which with this amp will still be incredibly loud) CHANGE THE TUBES!!!!! Stockers are garbage. Bias that bitch nice and warm and she will sing. It makes the clean more tolerable, and keeps the ultra just as rediculous haha. Congrats man, cool amps! |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 21,2007 2:43am - GoatCatalyst ""] congrats, josh! was it a he or a she? how many tubes did it have? |
| _________________________________________ [Mar 21,2007 8:44am - DreamingInExile ""] blue said:how much did you pay for your xxx mark? I paid about $400 wth my trade ins (power conditioner, sonic maximizer, velocity 100 & rack case) Joshtruction said:Sorry for being late to this. I was busy watching my child be born haha. CONGRATS MAN!!!!! Joshtruction said:ok, first thing you need to know about these amps is the fact they are one of the very few amps ever made with a true legit 100% active EQ. Basically that EQ has so much tone shaping control it is unreal. If you pay close attention the slightest movement of the EQ knobs can make a drastic difference in tone. This is also why it does not have a prescence control. yeah, I noticed just moving the knobs a c-hair last night made huge differences, I'm pretty close to finding my tone, just a little more tweaking. I wasn't aware that it was a 100% active EQ, I thought it was just once of those passive/active deals like most amps, that's really cool to know. Joshtruction said:...Now if you take that crunch channel, clean boost it, and EQ it so it really brings out the pickups and guitar tone, this amp pulls some KILLER tones... any recommendations on a preferred method of clean boosting it? Joshtruction said:As I am sure you know 90% of the tone on this amp comes from the preamp.... this is very typical of peavey amps, every peavey I've owned in the past has been the same way. Joshtruction said:CHANGE THE TUBES!!!!! again, recommendations would be a huge help, I'm not going to go the groove tubes route, as I've never been partial to the way they sound. Joshtruction said:Congrats man, cool amps! and thank you sir, for your very intelligent and well phrased insight/input! :newhorns:!!! GoatCatalyst said:how many tubes did it have? my guess is 6 power and 12 preamp, running a full 2400 watts of sheer decimating gain, able to run non-stop for days on end! HAHAHA |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 21,2007 12:01pm - Joshtruction ""] My kid definitly had 6 12ax7's, and 6 6L6GC's. He was biased cold from the factory though haha. If the he didn't give it away, it's a boy! His name is Trenton. Preamp tubes are easy to change and make a big difference in that amp. I'd say buy quite a few and mix and match them until you get a soun d you like. If it were mine I'd probably try a mix of 9th gen chinese tubes, Sovteks, maybe a JJ in the loop to take away some fizz, and maybe a tungsol or two. I say mix and maych and find what you like. http://va.eftsecure.net/eftcart/products.asp?M_id=069443081828 go there and check some out. If you got any questions jsut ask doug there, he knows his shit. dougstubes.com will bring you to his main page. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 21,2007 12:06pm - DreamingInExile ""] awsome, thanks for the insight, and congrats once again on becoming a dad! |
| _____________________________ [Mar 21,2007 3:15pm - cav ""] Joshtruction said:Sorry for being late to this. I was busy watching my child be born haha. ok, first thing you need to know about these amps is the fact they are one of the very few amps ever made with a true legit 100% active EQ. Basically that EQ has so much tone shaping control it is unreal. If you pay close attention the slightest movement of the EQ knobs can make a drastic difference in tone. This is also why it does not have a prescence control. For me (even though it id 3 channels) this amp is a one trick pony. I am not too big on the cleans, and to my ears the ultra channel sounds like ass. Now if you take that crunch channel, clean boost it, and EQ it so it really brings out the pickups and guitar tone, this amp pulls some KILLER tones. As I am sure you know 90% of the tone on this amp comes from the preamp, and you are pretty much shit out of luck trying to change the sound with the pwoer amp. Becuase of that stay far away from power amp distortion, it is not where this amp shines. Keep the channel volume pretty damn high and the master as low as you can for your music (which with this amp will still be incredibly loud) CHANGE THE TUBES!!!!! Stockers are garbage. Bias that bitch nice and warm and she will sing. It makes the clean more tolerable, and keeps the ultra just as rediculous haha. Congrats man, cool amps! wow, amen! |
| _________________________________________ [Mar 21,2007 3:16pm - DreamingInExile ""] yeah, that was my exact thought as well... |
| _____________________________ [Mar 21,2007 3:17pm - cav ""] by the way has anyone who owned this amp ever had any problems with rediculous noise at certain venues?? im assuming due to lights and electronics?? |
| _________________________________________ [Mar 21,2007 3:32pm - DreamingInExile ""] well, my first gig out with it is this saturday, so I'll let you know, I've got a hush super c running in the fx loop so I'll probably be able to kill any unwanted noise |
| _______________________________ [Mar 21,2007 11:22pm - blue ""] DreamingInExile said: Joshtruction said:...Now if you take that crunch channel, clean boost it, and EQ it so it really brings out the pickups and guitar tone, this amp pulls some KILLER tones... any recommendations on a preferred method of clean boosting it? are you serious? we just had a massive thread about this like 2 weeks ago. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 21,2007 11:23pm - reverend_cziska ""] Peavey cab=Highlander http://massholes.org/mp3/balls.mp3 |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 21,2007 11:46pm - Joshtruction ""] No tips on noise other than get a top of the line power conditioner so you always have clean power. I think thats a must with any high gain tube amp that is being gigged at random clubs. clean boosting... take a tube screamer or something (I custom build these btw) turn the volume all the way up, distortion (gain/drive) all the way down, and set the tone to your liking. Thats pretty much all there is to it. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 22,2007 10:19am - DreamingInExile ""] blue said:are you serious? we just had a massive thread about this like 2 weeks ago. blue, you'll have to forgive my stupidity. I honestly wasn't aware that boost and clean boost were basically the same thing. :spineyes::spineyes::spineyes: |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 22,2007 10:21am - metal_church101 ""] :pukeface: |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 22,2007 10:30am - DreamingInExile ""] so, to continue the topic in a new direction... Cabnets, eventually I'm going to get rid of my POS Peavey 412, and I'm bouncing back and forth between a Marshall 1960A (and maybe a 1960B as well) and Vader cabnets (seeing that they're both around the same price) I've always liked the sound of Marshalls, and I've heard a TON of great things about Vader. I need a cabnet that will have a tight low end, while still sounding crisp through the mids & highs. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 22,2007 11:13am - metal_church101 ""] I used to have a Marshall 1960A. It had no where the low end I needed. I would lean towards something else. Not sure how the 1960B sounds in comparison. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 22,2007 11:28am - DreamingInExile ""] the 1960A & B are both the same cabnet, the A is the slant and the B is the straight. I don't need a ton of low end, but I need a bit of oomph, Shroud's tuned to B, so a cabnet with too much low end will start to sound muddy. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 22,2007 11:31am - GoatOfCatalyst ""] Earcandy cabs |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 22,2007 11:33am - metal_church101 ""] maybe it was the 1950 I was thinking of. They have different celstion speakers between the two different models. The 1960's have the GT12s (I think) and other ones will have Greenbacks or some other model which have lower frequency response. |
| ______________________________ [Mar 22,2007 12:08pm - ZJD ""] http://www.avatarspeakers.com/ |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 22,2007 12:24pm - GoatOfCatalyst ""] Avatar is for the gays. EARCANDY. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 22,2007 1:51pm - passerby‘er ""] All this talk about shitty amps is making me itch to go buy another Behringer. You guys are all fools and do not know what you're missing. |