Cake request for 3-year-old Hitler namesake denied[views:4418][posts:82]________________________________ [Dec 16,2008 9:00pm - zyklon ""] EASTON, Pa. – The father of 3-year-old Adolf Hitler Campbell, denied a birthday cake with the child's full name on it by one New Jersey supermarket, is asking for a little tolerance. Heath Campbell and his wife, Deborah, are upset not only with the decision made by the Greenwich ShopRite, but with an outpouring of angry Internet postings in response to a local newspaper article over the weekend on their flare-up over frosting. "I think people need to take their heads out of the cloud they've been in and start focusing on the future and not on the past," Heath Campbell said Tuesday in an interview conducted in Easton, on the other side of the Delaware River from where the family lives in Hunterdon County, N.J. "There's a new president and he says it's time for a change; well, then it's time for a change," the 35-year-old continued. "They need to accept a name. A name's a name. The kid isn't going to grow up and do what (Hitler) did." Deborah Campbell, 25, said she phoned in her order last week to the ShopRite. When she told the bakery department she wanted her son's name spelled out, she was told to talk to a supervisor, who denied the request. A store manager at ShopRite referred questions to a corporate spokeswoman who did not immediately return a phone message Tuesday. But spokeswoman Karen Meleta told The Easton Express-Times for Sunday's editions that the store considered Campbell's request inappropriate. The Campbells ultimately got their cake decorated at a Wal-Mart in Pennsylvania, Deborah Campbell said. About 12 people attended the birthday party on Sunday, including several children who were of mixed race, according to Heath Campbell. "If we're so racist, then why would I have them come into my home?" he asked. The Campbells' other two children also have unusual names: JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbell turns 2 in a few months and Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie Campbell will be 1 in April. Heath Campbell said he named his son after Adolf Hitler because he liked the name and because "no one else in the world would have that name." He sounded surprised by all the controversy the dispute had generated. Campbell said his ancestors are German and that he has lived his entire life in Hunterdon County. On Tuesday he wore a pair of black boots he said were worn by a German soldier during World War II. He said he was raised not to avoid people of other races but not to mix with them socially or romantically. But he said he would try to raise his children differently. "Say he grows up and hangs out with black people. That's fine, I don't really care," he said. "That's his choice." |
| _______________________________ [Dec 16,2008 9:07pm - yummy ""] Although, somewhat of a repost it does open up more room for discussion after reading this. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 1:05am - Samantha ""] Why would you name your kid that? Seriously. What is going to happen to that kid once he starts school? |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 7:07am - SkinSandwich ""] I know, he will beat up all the jews in schools, jeez, some people. |
| ________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 8:46am - xmikex ""] Samantha said:Why would you name your kid that? Seriously. What is going to happen to that kid once he starts school? Pfft. That kid will be home schooled for the next 15 years. He won't know there's anything fucked up about his name until years later when he goes to buy a cake for his son Ihateniggers Campbell. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 9:58am - dreadkill ""] oh, ok, they're not racists. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 2:36pm - orgymf@work ""] i agree that the names are fucked up. but.... if we are expected to accept that our president has a middle name that is associated muslim extremism, and....of course....saddam, then we should except that this guy named his kids what he named them, but isn't racist. seems hypocritical and retarded to slam one and defend the other |
| __________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 2:38pm - brian_dc ""] because I'm sure that Barack Obama was named after Saddam Hussein in 1961 you really don't see the difference? |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 2:47pm - orgymf@work ""] no....obviously he wasn't named after saddam. but you can not deny ties between a name like hussein, and muslims |
| __________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 2:50pm - brian_dc ""] right, but his father was muslim. So there's really no denying why that was a relevant choice |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 2:51pm - orgymf@work ""] ok.....but why are we to assume that this german dude is a racist (and not just brought up racists and a little mixed up/misguided), but we are supposed to swallow that Obama is in now way, shape or form Muslim or tied to their beliefs/agenda? |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 2:52pm - orgymf@work ""] no way that was |
| __________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 2:53pm - brian_dc ""] to say that the name "Hussein" in 1961 was as ridiculous as naming your kid "Adolf Hitler" or "Aryan Nation" in 2006-2007 is just laughable, dude. Not comparable. |
| ___________________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 2:56pm - MikeofDecrepitude ""] orgymf@work said:i agree that the names are fucked up. but.... if we are expected to accept that our president has a middle name that is associated muslim extremism, and....of course....saddam, then we should except that this guy named his kids what he named them, but isn't racist. seems hypocritical and retarded to slam one and defend the other The photo that was taken of that guy holding his son looks like they live in a clean, habitable environment. How many kid's are born into this world without fathers, or with parents who could give a shit less about taking care of their children? I'm not saying that the names are particularly clever, but to make a point; P.C. individuals are quick to demonize so called "racists", yet they fail to see the hypocrisy in their hatred for people who's views are not in sync with their own. Anti-Fascists are just as fascist as National Socialists. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 2:56pm - orgymf@work ""] you are either missing....or intentionally circling around. people don't think about when Obama was born....they just hear "Hussein" and they think "Middle East" "Muslim" "Saddam" etc. just like when people hear hitler, they think "holocaust" |
| __________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 2:57pm - brian_dc ""] I'm not saying that there's any proof that this guy is a racist, by the way. But I think he's absolutely retarded and doesn't care about the future of his kids having to carry around such retarded names. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 2:58pm - orgymf@work ""] MikeofDecrepitude said: orgymf@work said:i agree that the names are fucked up. but.... if we are expected to accept that our president has a middle name that is associated muslim extremism, and....of course....saddam, then we should except that this guy named his kids what he named them, but isn't racist. seems hypocritical and retarded to slam one and defend the other The photo that was taken of that guy holding his son looks like they live in a clean, habitable environment. How many kid's are born into this world without fathers, or with parents who could give a shit less about taking care of their children? I'm not saying that the names are particularly clever, but to make a point; P.C. individuals are quick to demonize so called "racists", yet they fail to see the hypocrisy in their hatred for people who's views are not in sync with their own. Anti-Fascists are just as fascist as National Socialists. that is a brilliant view point sir. probably the smartest thing i have seen written in the history of rttp |
| __________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 2:58pm - brian_dc ""] [Dec 17,2008 2:56pm - orgymf@work ] you are either missing....or intentionally circling around. people don't think about when Obama was born....they just hear "Hussein" and they think "Middle East" "Muslim" "Saddam" etc. just like when people hear hitler, they think "holocaust" I'm not circling around anything. It's completely irrelevant what people think of. I'm demonizing the dwarf-brained father who actually intentionally associated his children with names that even he agrees are symbols related to "bad people" |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 3:01pm - orgymf@work ""] brian_dc said:I'm not saying that there's any proof that this guy is a racist, by the way. But I think he's absolutely retarded and doesn't care about the future of his kids having to carry around such retarded names. and i'm just saying that being upset by the president having a muslim sounding name (and by the way....i am not one of those people who believe he is muslim.....i just hate the left and the right, but enjoy playing devil's advocate for the right when the left get too snooty/annoying) is no more ridiculous than being upset by this dude naming his kids after a gay dude with one nut that killed jews |
| __________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 3:04pm - brian_dc ""] I just don't see any connection relevant enough to merit comparison. There are names involved...that's all I've got. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 3:07pm - brian_dc ""] and I'm just saying the reason it's not comparable is because people are upset that these kids were willfully given names that were known to be associated to pariahs. Whereas, Obama was given a stock Muslim name that later became associated to an asshole. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 3:08pm - brian_dc ""] people who are upset about Obama's middle name being associated to Islam have a different sort of outrage. IMO |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 3:08pm - orgymf@work ""] brian_dc said:and I'm just saying the reason it's not comparable is because people are upset that these kids were willfully given names that were known to be associated to pariahs. Whereas, Obama was given a stock Muslim name that later became associated to an asshole. regardless of the reasons, the names, and the time frames, neither is more ridiculous than the other. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 3:09pm - brian_dc ""] LOL |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 3:10pm - orgymf@work ""] LickOrificeLater? |
| _________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 3:15pm - RustyPS ""] Here's why Obama's middle name is no comparison to this kid's name, the other kids are named JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbell and Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie Campbell. The father is obviously a racist permenantly projecting his beliefs on his kids, while Obama's parents just happened to name him after someone who wasn't under power at the time he was born. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 3:19pm - orgymf@work ""] does not matter. the point you are missing, is that obama haters see the two as tied together. this guy said he was raised to love his german roots, and not mix race....obviously, he was raised by racists. but that doesn't mean he is racist, maybe those names/words have a personal effect on him that deal with a relationship he had with his dad.....who is to say otherwise? assuming he is racist is just as ignorant as saying obama is a muslim |
| __________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 3:19pm - brian_dc ""] dude, didn't you hear. Historical context doesn't count? sheesh, get with the times. |
| ___________________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 3:19pm - MikeofDecrepitude ""] RustyPS said:permenantly projecting his beliefs on his kids We all know he's the first person in history to do something like that. Would there be as much of an outcry if someone included the name "Mao" or "Stalin" in their children's names? How about Charlemagne, or Karl, if you prefer? |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 3:21pm - orgymf@work ""] in the context of people making assumptions about a person just through their name.... no, the history has nothing to do with it....if it did, rumors of him being a muslim would not have come to exist in the first place. nice internet sarcasm sweetie |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 3:23pm - orgymf@work ""] MikeofDecrepitude said: RustyPS said:permenantly projecting his beliefs on his kids We all know he's the first person in history to do something like that. Would there be as much of an outcry if someone included the name "Mao" or "Stalin" in their children's names? How about Charlemagne, or Karl, if you prefer? at least i'm not the only one here who doesn't swallow every bit of bullshit fed to the american public by left wing media/special interest groups |
| ___________________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 3:25pm - MikeofDecrepitude ""] I'm just being objective, you know? It really does beg the question. |
| _________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 3:25pm - RustyPS ""] orgymf@work said:does not matter. the point you are missing, is that obama haters see the two as tied together. this guy said he was raised to love his german roots, and not mix race....obviously, he was raised by racists. but that doesn't mean he is racist, maybe those names/words have a personal effect on him that deal with a relationship he had with his dad.....who is to say otherwise? assuming he is racist is just as ignorant as saying obama is a muslim I would agree if Aryan Nation wasn't used as a name. That kind of changes it, at least IMO. |
| _________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 3:26pm - RustyPS ""] MikeofDecrepitude said: RustyPS said:permenantly projecting his beliefs on his kids We all know he's the first person in history to do something like that. Would there be as much of an outcry if someone included the name "Mao" or "Stalin" in their children's names? How about Charlemagne, or Karl, if you prefer? Where did I say he was the first? Just because it's been done, doesn't make it any more or less suspect. |
| _______________________________ [Dec 17,2008 3:26pm - Murph ""] orgymf@work said: brian_dc said:and I'm just saying the reason it's not comparable is because people are upset that these kids were willfully given names that were known to be associated to pariahs. Whereas, Obama was given a stock Muslim name that later became associated to an asshole. regardless of the reasons, the names, and the time frames, neither is more ridiculous than the other. So, just because both names can elicit some sort of negative response means they are both equally "ridiculous?" Well first off, that negates motivation, which is an essential choice when looking at this from a categorical stance. ie, why the NAMING, not the NAME is ridiculous. Obviously, the father of Adolf Hitler and Aryan Nation is more ridiculous, based on hindsight and common knowledge alone. Secondly, I agree that some people could be put off by both, as someone whose family member has died at the hands of extremist Islam probably has some emotion tied to the same vein as someone who went through or lost family to the Holocaust. But, to be critical and not fall to supposition, Hussein is, as Brian said, a stock name, and therefore anyone tying a particular worth to that name as being historically significant and therefore a signifier of intent/agenda is biased, as it denotes a culture, not a political agenda. The name Adolf Hitler is subscribed not just in a German context, but in a National Socialist context. The name is, therefore, no longer part of the same bland cultural narrative that a name like Hussein, or my name, Murphy, is part of: it becomes part of the troubling with proper names and the basic understanding of history and identity as rational (I don't want to get into a political debate about Nazism compared to other ideals...its not about that, its about the role of one person in a party who was essentially immoral). Even if the dad just wanted the name because "no one else would do it" the name is more ridiculous in its fracturing from social norm (as if Obama's middle name was "Saddamn Hussein" or "King Hussein" denoting a particular connotation). Which means, in closing, that conception, even if popular or a majority, is not static and ground. While the names may be troubling to some, or exalted to others, a proper name, assuming a prior identity, is more ridiculous than a cultural name, regardless of the historical figure's perceived role as "good" or "bad" (which is a binary I hate to use because it is limiting and subjective) because it elicts a more particular response. Just because some people don't reason the same way, does not make the rest of us buy into cop out philosophy. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 3:32pm - orgymf@work ""] let me put this in the shortest most simplistic way possible. first, you have no idea what his motivations were, and therefor have no more right judging him than Obama's dad. second, it is no more ridiculous for someone to be outraged that a man that will be running this country having a name associated with muslims than it is to be outraged that some nobody from PA has any name. |
| ___________________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 3:35pm - MikeofDecrepitude ""] Rusty, I was just being sarcastic, that's all. I just believe a majority of parents are guilty of that accusation, you know? |
| _______________________________ [Dec 17,2008 3:36pm - Murph ""] orgymf@work said:let me put this in the shortest most simplistic way possible. first, you have no idea what his motivations were, and therefor have no more right judging him than Obama's dad. second, it is no more ridiculous for someone to be outraged that a man that will be running this country having a name associated with muslims than it is to be outraged that some nobody from PA has any name. Just because you say it, doesn't make it true. |
| _________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 3:40pm - RustyPS ""] MikeofDecrepitude said:Rusty, I was just being sarcastic, that's all. I just believe a majority of parents are guilty of that accusation, you know? That's fine. If the kid's name was just Adolf, or just Hitler, I'd be right there with you, but Adolf Hitler together, coupled with the other kids' names, makes the parents' intentions rather fishy IMO. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 3:43pm - orgymf@work ""] Murph said: orgymf@work said:let me put this in the shortest most simplistic way possible. first, you have no idea what his motivations were, and therefor have no more right judging him than Obama's dad. second, it is no more ridiculous for someone to be outraged that a man that will be running this country having a name associated with muslims than it is to be outraged that some nobody from PA has any name. Just because you say it, doesn't make it true. and just because you disagree doesn't make it untrue |
| _____________________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 3:44pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""] Bottom line: a good majority of people will judge anyone and everyone they meet that has a name they're not used to hearing or at least not hearing in a positive context. |
| _______________________________ [Dec 17,2008 3:47pm - Murph ""] orgymf@work said: Murph said: orgymf@work said:let me put this in the shortest most simplistic way possible. first, you have no idea what his motivations were, and therefor have no more right judging him than Obama's dad. second, it is no more ridiculous for someone to be outraged that a man that will be running this country having a name associated with muslims than it is to be outraged that some nobody from PA has any name. Just because you say it, doesn't make it true. and just because you disagree doesn't make it untrue I've got Georg Lukacs and Lyotard on my side. Who's on yours? |
| ___________________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 3:47pm - MikeofDecrepitude ""] I hear you. I do agree that their children will be subjected to much ridicule by others. Hitler is easily the most hated man in the history of the world, not Bin Laden, so this kid is definitely in for it. |
| ___________________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 3:57pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] orgymf@work said: second, it is no more ridiculous for someone to be outraged that a man that will be running this country having a name associated with muslims than it is to be outraged that some nobody from PA has any name. So what if Obama really is a Muslim. Last time I checked we have the freedom of religion in this country. And just being a muslim does not make you a bad person. |
| ___________________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 3:58pm - MikeofDecrepitude ""] We have freedom of speech as well. I don't know about the Netherlands though. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 4:05pm - brian_dc ""] I don't know what that has to do with anything, but hey! an article! http://michellemalkin.com/2005/01/31/musli...-vs-free-speech-in-the-netherlands/ |
| ___________________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 4:09pm - MikeofDecrepitude ""] I just felt like throwing a curve ball in there .............. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 4:10pm - brian_dc ""] I'd never argue with the guy's right to name his children what he named them. That's his right. He is, however, knowingly putting his children in a crappy situation to have to live with those names. It's unfortunate. I'd never argue with your right to hold your opinion. I will, however, hope that you'd be willing to debate that view. No one is asking for anyone to apologize for their perspective. However, some opinions can be more or less educated with facts. Some opinions are greater than others. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 4:12pm - brian_dc ""] haha... well for the record. I do believe that The Netherlands does have free speech. But it seems they have issues similar to what we have here in America when it comes to censorship subverting presumed rights. |
| ___________________________________________ [Dec 17,2008 4:13pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] FREE SPEACH FOR THE DUMB! FOR THE DUMB! FOR THE DUMB! |