...and the meek shall inherit the Earth[views:14764][posts:92]________________________________________________ [Jun 19,2006 7:11pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] http://peacetakescourage.cf.huffingtonpost.com/animations/wwjd.html and then http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Ava-Lowery-CNN-Sunday6-18-06.wmv this is one truely for the Maine/NH boys http://peacetakescourage.cf.huffingtonpost.com/animations/32.html |
| _______________________________ [Jun 19,2006 9:14pm - hoser ""] Must be nice to have the freedom to post such rubbish. Wonder who died for that? |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 19,2006 9:30pm - Bush sucks ""] I am from NH and I loathe G Bush The US soldiers are not fighting for our freedom Hoser, they are fighting for oil fields |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 19,2006 10:35pm - HailTheLeaf ""] Our tax dollars at work, good thing we bombed those threatening chidren, how dare they live on our oil, such a threat to our freedom. |
| _________________________________________________ [Jun 19,2006 11:19pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] hoser said:Must be nice to have the freedom to post such rubbish. Wonder who died for that? ....and im gonna stand up next to you america and defend her hand. cause im proud to be an american where at least i know i'm free. |
| _________________________________________________ [Jun 19,2006 11:44pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] JACK CAFFERTY, CNN ANCHOR: Thank you, Wolf. Listen to this quote: "I think energy independence is going too far." You know who said that? The president of one of the big oil companies, of course. John Hofmeister, who runs Shell, a division of Royal Dutch Shell, said in a TV interview that energy independence is the wrong goal for the U.S. He thinks it's good for international relations and for the economy to get our oil from all over the world. His company sells a lot of oil to this country of ours. He's promoting something that he calls energy security through energy diversity, which means combining the use of conventional oil and gas, along with alternative energy sources. Meanwhile, government stats show 57 percent of the oil used in this country is imported. Last week, the average price of a gallon of gasoline, $2.93, up 40 percent from a year ago. Polls show most Americans blame Shell and the other oil companies for the spike in gas prices. But Hofmeister refuses to apologize for the industry's record profits. Here's the question: The president of Shell Oil company says that energy independence is going too far. Do you agree? Shell sez that Energy independence is bad for America. Why do they hate us so? http://movies.crooksandliars.com/CaffertyFile-Shell-Shoes.wmv |
| ____________________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 9:05am - Man_of_the_Century ""] Bush sucks said:I am from NH and I loathe G Bush The US soldiers are not fighting for our freedom Hoser, they are fighting for oil fields HailTheLeaf said:Our tax dollars at work, good thing we bombed those threatening chidren, how dare they live on our oil, such a threat to our freedom. We import 57% of our oil... FROM CANADA AND CENTRAL AMERICA. We get little to no oil from the middle east, do you know why? It cost too much to ship. Oil companies are smarter than you think, why pay twice as much for oil to be shipped half-way across the world when you can get it cheaper in your backyard? I'll sit back and wait for Shadow to bail you out... |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 1:07pm - HailTheLeaf ""] You do know that Iraq sits in the middle of nearly two-thirds of the world's proven oil reserves, and that we're running out of oil? In fact China will be using more oil than we are in 10 years, then it'll run out even faster. Oh yeah, alot of the countries in Central America have smartened up and decided to stop listening to bullshit from the U.S. and Europe, those countries have figured out that the profits from their oil should go back to their people, so we'll see how long we get oil from them. |
| _____________________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 1:11pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] Gotta love that oil. Keep using it all up, fellerz! Next time you eat a Lindt chocolate truffle, suck out the filling and then study the composition of the remaining chocolate structure. Now imagine this on a global scale. This is why the Raiders from Dimension X will kill us all sooner than later. |
| ____________________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 2:08pm - Man_of_the_Century ""] HailTheLeaf said:You do know that Iraq sits in the middle of nearly two-thirds of the world's proven oil reserves, and that we're running out of oil? In fact China will be using more oil than we are in 10 years, then it'll run out even faster. Oh yeah, alot of the countries in Central America have smartened up and decided to stop listening to bullshit from the U.S. and Europe, those countries have figured out that the profits from their oil should go back to their people, so we'll see how long we get oil from them. You need to stop smoking, you've become delusional. True, the middle east sits on a lot of oil (its closer to 57% rather than 2/3). The country that sits on the most (Saudi Arabia) is in good standing with us. We are in good standing with more than half the countries over there. If we wanted the oil, we'd have it. Also, we are not running out of oil, as in the planet will have no more oil. Some (not all) of our drilling spots are running out. There is plenty more, but hippie retards won't let us use it. And how do the oil profits in central/south america go back into the people? |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 2:37pm - HailTheLeaf ""] Hahaha, that's right, we're in good standing with Saudi Arabia, the country most of the hijackers from 9/11 came from, good for us. We shouldn't be using oil at all, and we're definately running out of it. Try reading up on our foreign policy in South America, the world bank, and check up on what countries like Venezuela are doing. |
| ________________________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 2:51pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] and back to the original post "The bodies of two U.S. soldiers reported captured last week have been recovered, and an Iraqi defense ministry official said Tuesday the men were "killed in a barbaric way." The U.S. military said the remains were believed to be those of Pfc. Kristian Menchaca, 23, of Houston, and Pfc. Thomas L. Tucker, 25, of Madras, Ore |
| ________________________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 2:52pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] and then there's this take on the matter Knowing that I would not be disappointed, I listened to the opening segments of Rush Limbaugh's show a little while ago. I was certain he would be in high dudgeon about this horrifying, awful story: BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - An Iraqi military official said Tuesday that the bodies of two missing U.S. soldiers showed signs of torture, and that the men appeared to have been killed "in a barbaric way." Meanwhile, the umbrella group for Iraq insurgents said the man who succeeded Abu Musab al-Zarqawi killed the two soldiers. "We give the good news ... to the Islamic nation that we have carried God's verdict by slaughtering the two captured crusaders,'" said a statement in the name of the Mujahedeen Shura Council, the umbrella group for five insurgent organizations, including al-Qaida in Iraq. The statement, which could not be authenticated, said the two soldiers were "slaughtered,"' suggesting they had been beheaded. The Arabic word used in the statement, "nahr," is used for the slaughtering of sheep by cutting the throat and has been used in past statements to refer to beheadings. The claim of responsibility was posted on an Islamic militant Web site where insurgent groups regularly post statements. As I knew would be the case, Limbaugh's outrage and indignation were not directed at the insurgents who tortured and killed the American soldiers. Oh, no. His hatred and contempt were directed at the "crazed liberals, hate-America" crowd, and at the "drive-by liberal media." Just a couple of minutes into the program, Limbaugh read an email from a listener, who wondered if "the left will say the soldiers deserved it," and who went on to say he was "so sick of the cut-and-run liberals." After reading the email, Limbaugh said he had gone to the "wacko lefty" sites to see what they were saying. Sure enough! "They're happy these two soldiers got tortured! Good riddance to them!" Limbaugh said the crazed left would use these deaths to say once again that this "war" was going nowhere, that we're losing, etc. (All paraphrases, but close to fully accurate; I was taking notes, since I knew what would be coming.) Well, sez I to myself, this is pretty easy to check out. So I donned my internets exploring outfit and did some field work. (When I go exploring this way, I usually get an extra large cup of coffee, put on my LA Dodgers cap, and sometimes I even put my pants on. Yes, that's right: I often write half-nekkid! No pajamas for this boy.) I started at Daily Kos. At the time I checked, I didn't even find a mention of this story. So I went to Atrios. Also no mention. He has some weird Joe Klein thing going on now. Not crazed enough, Atrios! Remedial classes in Advanced Lefty Lunacy and Evil lie in your future! Then I went to Booman Tribune. Ditto. And I mean, c'mon. Stories about free laser eye surgery for Navy pilots? How disappointingly banal and normal. Okay, sez I, that's enough. I'm bored. Not enough craziness. Now there may be a couple of sites out there where a couple of posters said ugly and regrettable things. But obviously that's not what Limbaugh is contending -- and that's not what this is about. You don't need an advanced degree in psychology to see the extreme degree of projection involved here (among many other elements). Limbaugh and his fellow thugs -- i.e., the zealots who defend All Things Bush -- have politicized every aspect of the "War on Terror" since the day after 9/11. They took up Bush's line that "you're either with us or against us," and applied it not only to the rest of the world -- but to all Americans. But what they meant was that if you didn't support every element of Bush's foreign policy -- even when that policy involved blatant acts of aggression against countries that were no threat to us and hadn't attacked us -- then, in InstaProf's infamous phrase, you were "on the other side." You were with the terrorists. From their vantage point, there wasn't any significant conceptual difference. And they project their own methodology of politicization onto those they perceive to be their "enemies" here at home. Since they use every event to advance their political agenda, they assume everyone else does, too. Of course, as my non-scientific survey demonstrates and as we all know in countless other ways, everyone else doesn't. Some of us simply believe that the invasion and occupation of Iraq were and are an immoral act of large-scale destructiveness, and of self-destructiveness. (And, yeah, Rush: we're losing. We lost when the first American soldier set foot in Iraq.) Innumerable facts support that judgment, just as they supported it before the invasion even began. But if the Limbaughs were to acknowledge that, their dishonest and ugly game wouldn't work. So they have to invent a mythical "crazed left" and a mythical "enemy," and endow it with the required attributes. If the lunatic liberals and all the other people who oppose our foreign policy don't actually say what Limbaugh needs them to say...well, they said it anyway. Besides, Limbaugh knows that's what they're really thinking. I suppose one might criticize the sites I mentioned for not discussing the story at all -- but since every day brings terrible news, what are people supposed to say? "Here's still another terrible story. Yes, it's really terrible." When the nightmare never ends, it becomes increasingly difficult to note how nightmarish it is in ways you haven't already discussed endless times. Limbaugh made one other comment that I found somewhat interesting. He said that for the "crazed lefties" to be "happy" that the American soldiers were tortured and to subscribe to the rest of the program he's invented for them, the "hate-America" crowd has to believe that what we did in Abu Ghraib or our use of torture (which Limbaugh, of course, denies is torture) is "the same as what the terrorists do." When advocates of our foreign policy like Charles Krauthammer offer detailed "defenses" of the legitimized use of torture (and when people like Andrew Sullivan offer singularly unconvincing "refutations") -- when Krauthammer explicitly argues that our enemies have forced us to adopt their methods and that, if we wish to defeat them, we must embrace evil ourselves -- I am hard-pressed to identify precisely what the difference is, insofar as Limbaugh's specific point is concerned. And the same is true of many other horrors we have committed over the last several years -- recently culminating, as but a single example, in the suicides at Guantanamo. (My entire series on torture is described here.) But all that is just a little too much reality for the Limbaugh crowd. Well, that's enough exploring on the internets for one morning. I'm tired. More coffee, please. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 4:08pm - dyingmuse ""] rush is the man! |
| ________________________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 4:14pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] yes clearly, its awesome to lie and scare people. you're a fool. |
| ________________________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 4:27pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] http://movies.crooksandliars.com/limbaugh-goodriddence.mp3 here's the audio |
| ____________________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 4:27pm - Man_of_the_Century ""] Hippies do it all the time... |
| ________________________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 4:31pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] Man_of_the_Century said:Hippies do it all the time... sorry hippies dead out after the 60s thanks for your time. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 4:49pm - PatMeebles ""] Bush sucks said:I am from NH and I loathe G Bush The US soldiers are not fighting for our freedom Hoser, they are fighting for oil fields Yes, they are fighting for Iraq's oil fields. This is because Iraq's main export is oil, and without it, the Iraqis' economy (and, therefore, lives) is ruined. It's nice to see that you're against making Iraqis' lives better through the protection of their #1 export, asshole. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 4:52pm - PatMeebles ""] And, of course, lefties go and say "well, I'm glad we're getting a taste of our own medicine." So, to put it into perspective with medicine in mind. Abu Ghraib = Oxycontin Gruesomely torturing and beheading people = Huffing Paint Thinner |
| ________________________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 4:56pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2733463 truely whats important now |
| _______________________________ [Jun 20,2006 4:58pm - hoser ""] HailTheLeaf said:Hahaha, that's right, we're in good standing with Saudi Arabia, the country most of the hijackers from 9/11 came from, good for us. We shouldn't be using oil at all, and we're definately running out of it. Try reading up on our foreign policy in South America, the world bank, and check up on what countries like Venezuela are doing. Where should we read about this? Your extremely reliable sources...like alternet.org? Hahahahahahahaha.... |
| ________________________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 5:02pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] actually she reads up on a lot of stuff in books and works for some free air power company trying to get people to sign up for well air and solar power. she does a lot more then just whine and bitch about stuff on a message board. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 5:04pm - PatMeebles ""] Actually, there's shitloads of oil right here. Nevada and ANWR. But regulations keep us from getting any of it. I can't believe we used to actually be an exporter of this stuff. Also, the supply of oil has actually increased. The problem with prices today is that the supply isn't keeping up with the demand, not that there's less oil. |
| ________________________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 5:07pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] yeah but oil shouldnt be our main power source, we should have alternatives to that and whats already out there. i mean if were so advanced on the rest of the world why not. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 5:09pm - Masshole ""] whiskey_weed_and_women said:and then there's this take on the matter Knowing that I would not be disappointed, I listened to the opening segments of Rush Limbaugh's show a little while ago. I was certain he would be in high dudgeon about this horrifying, awful story: BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - An Iraqi military official said Tuesday that the bodies of two missing U.S. soldiers showed signs of torture, and that the men appeared to have been killed "in a barbaric way." Meanwhile, the umbrella group for Iraq insurgents said the man who succeeded Abu Musab al-Zarqawi killed the two soldiers. "We give the good news ... to the Islamic nation that we have carried God's verdict by slaughtering the two captured crusaders,'" said a statement in the name of the Mujahedeen Shura Council, the umbrella group for five insurgent organizations, including al-Qaida in Iraq. The statement, which could not be authenticated, said the two soldiers were "slaughtered,"' suggesting they had been beheaded. The Arabic word used in the statement, "nahr," is used for the slaughtering of sheep by cutting the throat and has been used in past statements to refer to beheadings. The claim of responsibility was posted on an Islamic militant Web site where insurgent groups regularly post statements. As I knew would be the case, Limbaugh's outrage and indignation were not directed at the insurgents who tortured and killed the American soldiers. Oh, no. His hatred and contempt were directed at the "crazed liberals, hate-America" crowd, and at the "drive-by liberal media." Just a couple of minutes into the program, Limbaugh read an email from a listener, who wondered if "the left will say the soldiers deserved it," and who went on to say he was "so sick of the cut-and-run liberals." After reading the email, Limbaugh said he had gone to the "wacko lefty" sites to see what they were saying. Sure enough! "They're happy these two soldiers got tortured! Good riddance to them!" Limbaugh said the crazed left would use these deaths to say once again that this "war" was going nowhere, that we're losing, etc. (All paraphrases, but close to fully accurate; I was taking notes, since I knew what would be coming.) Well, sez I to myself, this is pretty easy to check out. So I donned my internets exploring outfit and did some field work. (When I go exploring this way, I usually get an extra large cup of coffee, put on my LA Dodgers cap, and sometimes I even put my pants on. Yes, that's right: I often write half-nekkid! No pajamas for this boy.) I started at Daily Kos. At the time I checked, I didn't even find a mention of this story. So I went to Atrios. Also no mention. He has some weird Joe Klein thing going on now. Not crazed enough, Atrios! Remedial classes in Advanced Lefty Lunacy and Evil lie in your future! Then I went to Booman Tribune. Ditto. And I mean, c'mon. Stories about free laser eye surgery for Navy pilots? How disappointingly banal and normal. Okay, sez I, that's enough. I'm bored. Not enough craziness. Now there may be a couple of sites out there where a couple of posters said ugly and regrettable things. But obviously that's not what Limbaugh is contending -- and that's not what this is about. You don't need an advanced degree in psychology to see the extreme degree of projection involved here (among many other elements). Limbaugh and his fellow thugs -- i.e., the zealots who defend All Things Bush -- have politicized every aspect of the "War on Terror" since the day after 9/11. They took up Bush's line that "you're either with us or against us," and applied it not only to the rest of the world -- but to all Americans. But what they meant was that if you didn't support every element of Bush's foreign policy -- even when that policy involved blatant acts of aggression against countries that were no threat to us and hadn't attacked us -- then, in InstaProf's infamous phrase, you were "on the other side." You were with the terrorists. From their vantage point, there wasn't any significant conceptual difference. And they project their own methodology of politicization onto those they perceive to be their "enemies" here at home. Since they use every event to advance their political agenda, they assume everyone else does, too. Of course, as my non-scientific survey demonstrates and as we all know in countless other ways, everyone else doesn't. Some of us simply believe that the invasion and occupation of Iraq were and are an immoral act of large-scale destructiveness, and of self-destructiveness. (And, yeah, Rush: we're losing. We lost when the first American soldier set foot in Iraq.) Innumerable facts support that judgment, just as they supported it before the invasion even began. But if the Limbaughs were to acknowledge that, their dishonest and ugly game wouldn't work. So they have to invent a mythical "crazed left" and a mythical "enemy," and endow it with the required attributes. If the lunatic liberals and all the other people who oppose our foreign policy don't actually say what Limbaugh needs them to say...well, they said it anyway. Besides, Limbaugh knows that's what they're really thinking. I suppose one might criticize the sites I mentioned for not discussing the story at all -- but since every day brings terrible news, what are people supposed to say? "Here's still another terrible story. Yes, it's really terrible." When the nightmare never ends, it becomes increasingly difficult to note how nightmarish it is in ways you haven't already discussed endless times. Limbaugh made one other comment that I found somewhat interesting. He said that for the "crazed lefties" to be "happy" that the American soldiers were tortured and to subscribe to the rest of the program he's invented for them, the "hate-America" crowd has to believe that what we did in Abu Ghraib or our use of torture (which Limbaugh, of course, denies is torture) is "the same as what the terrorists do." When advocates of our foreign policy like Charles Krauthammer offer detailed "defenses" of the legitimized use of torture (and when people like Andrew Sullivan offer singularly unconvincing "refutations") -- when Krauthammer explicitly argues that our enemies have forced us to adopt their methods and that, if we wish to defeat them, we must embrace evil ourselves -- I am hard-pressed to identify precisely what the difference is, insofar as Limbaugh's specific point is concerned. And the same is true of many other horrors we have committed over the last several years -- recently culminating, as but a single example, in the suicides at Guantanamo. (My entire series on torture is described here.) But all that is just a little too much reality for the Limbaugh crowd. Well, that's enough exploring on the internets for one morning. I'm tired. More coffee, please. I'm too lazy to read all of this |
| ________________________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 5:15pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] thats why i posted the audio for public school kids like yourself. |
| _________________________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 10:31pm - Man of the CenturyNLI ""] whiskey_weed_and_women said:yeah but oil shouldnt be our main power source, we should have alternatives to that and whats already out there. i mean if were so advanced on the rest of the world why not. And those things will come in due time. There is nothing out there that cam match or beat what oil can do now. We have a lot of starting points, but they still need to be improved to meet our demands. If you don't believe me, look at history... We first used wood for all energy. Then we found coal. After coal came oil. Oil has been around for about 160 years... Its near the end of its run. Soon (I say about 10-20 years) oil will be pushed out of the mainstream and loosing popularity fast. Right now, its all we got. |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 10:37pm - PatMeebles ""] We may be more advanced, but the efficiency and cost-effectiveness of these alternative fuels can only come with years of research. Oil's been around long enough and we've been forced to find more efficient ways of using and producing it just because of the sheer necesitty (it being our only source) Yes, biodiesel and ethanol exist. But how are we going to replace half of our oil imports with corn and grease? The grease, maybe. But do you think that 10.35 million barrels of CORN fuel could be produced daily? |
| ________________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 10:38pm - hung_to_bleed ""] Only pussies give a fuck about collateral damage....I mean come on now, I hope its about fucking oil, shit! I paid 2.97 this morning, let's loot the fucking rag heads for what they got!!! [img] |
| ______________________________________________ [Jun 20,2006 10:39pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] Let's go back to horses and tauntauns. |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 7:12pm - HailTheLeaf ""] We need to stop living an in unsustainable, throw-away society or we're going to get a severe wake-up call. There's no reason to use the amount of energy and water that we use, it's wasteful and excessive. 80% of the world's forests are gone...for what? so you can eat big macs, and it's softer when you wipe your ass? Wonderful, now WTF are your fat, diseased kids and grandchildren going to do when nothing is left? |
| _______________________________ [Jun 21,2006 8:06pm - hoser ""] Do you like.....live in a Tee-Pee?? [img] Hail The Leaf as a child with her family..... |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 21,2006 9:06pm - remnants ""] HailTheLeaf said:We need to stop living an in unsustainable, throw-away society or we're going to get a severe wake-up call. There's no reason to use the amount of energy and water that we use, it's wasteful and excessive. 80% of the world's forests are gone...for what? so you can eat big macs, and it's softer when you wipe your ass? Wonderful, now WTF are your fat, diseased kids and grandchildren going to do when nothing is left? wow... please put down the Chomsky reader...now |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 1:17am - anonymous ""] hoser said:Do you like.....live in a Tee-Pee?? [img] Hail The Leaf as a child with her family..... Brother: "You see siblings, this is what the Native Americans lived like... until people that had the same color skin as us decided to kill them all and steal their land." Hail the Leaf: "Should I hate myself for the color of my skin?" Brother "It's a start." |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 1:19am - PatMeebles ""] Sorry, that last post was me. |
| ________________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 1:36am - This_Is_Heresy ""] That first video was a great reminder of why I'm not Christian. |
| ________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 10:31am - hoser ""] whiskey_weed_and_women said:actually she reads up on a lot of stuff in books and works for some free air power company trying to get people to sign up for well air and solar power. she does a lot more then just whine and bitch about stuff on a message board. What are you, her spokesperson? |
| ________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 10:32am - hoser ""] anonymous said:hoser said:Do you like.....live in a Tee-Pee?? [img] Hail The Leaf as a child with her family..... Brother: "You see siblings, this is what the Native Americans lived like... until people that had the same color skin as us decided to kill them all and steal their land." Hail the Leaf: "Should I hate myself for the color of my skin?" Brother "It's a start." Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha...... |
| _____________________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 10:44am - Man_of_the_Century ""] HailTheLeaf said:We need to stop living an in unsustainable, throw-away society or we're going to get a severe wake-up call. There's no reason to use the amount of energy and water that we use, it's wasteful and excessive. 80% of the world's forests are gone...for what? so you can eat big macs, and it's softer when you wipe your ass? Wonderful, now WTF are your fat, diseased kids and grandchildren going to do when nothing is left? 80% huh... Do you ever check out these stats for yourself? Also, for the record, the logging industry (the ones that make my ass happy with 5 ply) actually help to stimulate forest growth. See, several decades ago, people in logging realized if they run around chopping down trees left and right, there would be no more trees left to cut. So they replant them after they cut them down. I don't expect you to have read that on alternet.org though... |
| _______________________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 12:08pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] All I know is that if I can't use wood to make furniture I'm going to use the next best thing. Ivory. |
| __________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 1:23pm - niccolai ""] Anyone who plays guitar is going to be happy in ten years when there's a 500$ upcharge to get a guitar made of mahogany or rosewood, and high end standard series are going to be made of agathis and basswood. On another note, the US is NOT a free country. There are other places worse off sure, but notice how whenever some names a place worse then the US it's some shitty run down poor third world nation. It's not much different then being in a special needs room saying you're smarter then everyone. Panama. now that's a free country. ha. |
| __________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 1:26pm - niccolai ""] Man_of_the_Century said: Also, for the record, the logging industry (the ones that make my ass happy with 5 ply) actually help to stimulate forest growth. See, several decades ago, people in logging realized if they run around chopping down trees left and right, there would be no more trees left to cut. So they replant them after they cut them down. I don't expect you to have read that on alternet.org though... Ha. I'm glad they planted them, but for most of those logs to get to any usable size, it's going to take 200-500 years. Consumption exceeds growth. I will use Koa, Mahogany, fiddleback maple, and certain species of rosewood as my example. Do you know how much fucking money it costs to buy a 12x48x2 piece of koa or fiddleback to build a guitar? Koa is almost banned |
| ______________________________ [Jun 22,2006 1:31pm - Yeti ""] i partake in the mass incineration of trees. |
| __________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 1:42pm - niccolai ""] burn all the fucking trees you want, just not the exotic hardwoods... I need ESP to make me some more horizons out of them. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 1:45pm - ShadowSD ""] That's a bipartisan goal we can all agree on. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 1:46pm - ShadowSD ""] I meant the trees comment. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 2:06pm - ShadowSD ""] I don't care what the issue is or what your politics are, you know a policy is destructive when even people who stand to gain from it in the short term start to worry about the long term implications. If an environmentalist says our laws are too stringent and hurting business, you know it's for real. If a reverend says we have too much religion in our public institutions, you know it's for real. It's interesting that none of the people here backing Bush policies have even tried offering an alternate explanation for the Shell President's criticism; instead they just rattle off the same talking points. |
| _________________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 2:12pm - baptizedinresin ""] http://youtube.com/watch?v=4TACfbk1HiA immortal technique is sweet |
| ____________________________________________ [Jun 22,2006 2:35pm - Man_of_the_Century ""] HailTheLeaf said:Hahaha, that's right, we're in good standing with Saudi Arabia, the country most of the hijackers from 9/11 came from, good for us. We shouldn't be using oil at all, and we're definately running out of it. Try reading up on our foreign policy in South America, the world bank, and check up on what countries like Venezuela are doing. By that logic, no country is in good standing with any other country in the world... Cause in any given country you can find people that don't like another. Ah, the world bank... You did know that one of the biggest influences on its operation is the U.S. government right? You must have skipped that class. |