Birthers: You asked for it, you got it. Now get a fucking life.[views:15937][posts:98]______________________________ [Apr 28,2011 6:40am - ark ""] Botorious%20N.I.G. said: Get rid of the 'tards. Then it all gets better. But then we don't have liberals. Keep living in black-and-white land, but I'm certain that if we kill of the 'tards, then we just won't have stupid people. Willing to test this hypothesis. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 6:48am - arilliusbm ""] Truthers > Birthers |
| ______________________________ [Apr 28,2011 7:33am - Yeti ""] good, i'm glad he was forced into showing it. as leader of a country, a country with an explicit presidential stipulation of "born in the country", it should have never taken this long to show. will this shut "birthers" up? no, of course not, but at least a document was provided. i think it's ridiculous when people think that just because some government official supposedly saw it when he was elected that it's definitive proof. because our government is so notorious for being open and transparent about everything. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 28,2011 7:35am - Yeti ""] i'm not saying the "birthers" were right, but i do think they had a valid claim. show your fucking birth certificate, it's not that difficult. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 28,2011 7:36am - Yeti ""] i had to show mine just to get a passport, not to become the leader of a country. if people were clamoring to see mine, i'd show it to shut them up. |
| _________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 7:57am - Doomkid ""] Yeti said:good, i'm glad he was forced into showing it. as leader of a country, a country with an explicit presidential stipulation of "born in the country", it should have never taken this long to show. will this shut "birthers" up? no, of course not, but at least a document was provided. i think it's ridiculous when people think that just because some government official supposedly saw it when he was elected that it's definitive proof. because our government is so notorious for being open and transparent about everything. He already showed proper documentation with the other forms of his birth certificate. My birth certificate that I showed when getting my passport was also the shorter form. Also: check out the fucking crazy proposed changes to the passport application. http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/forei...rre-questionnaire-for-passport-apps |
| ______________________________ [Apr 28,2011 8:09am - Yeti ""] i mean for the American public, who he is in charge of. unless it was done to just ruffle the feathers of the general public, which i say good show, we were just trolled by the president. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 8:19am - the_reverend ""] I heard that our first few presidents weren't even born in america. They were born in some british colony. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 8:21am - the_reverend ""] Also, I just heard a birther on the radio "it is not about the birth certificate. You need to be born of 2 natralized citizens to be president" o rly? |
| _________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 8:26am - Doomkid ""] the_reverend said:Also, I just heard a birther on the radio "it is not about the birth certificate. You need to be born of 2 natralized citizens to be president" o rly? Yeah, thats for the Birthers who are too lazy to read the Constitution. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 8:43am - goatcatalyst ""] the_reverend said:Also, I just heard a birther on the radio "it is not about the birth certificate. You need to be born of 2 natralized citizens to be president" o rly? I should like to expose my genitals to these birthers' children so that they might be properly naturalized. |
| __________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 2:10pm - ShadowSD ""] Yeti said:i had to show mine just to get a passport, not to become the leader of a country. if people were clamoring to see mine, i'd show it to shut them up. He showed the same short-form certificate to become President that you showed to get your passport. It's like if they said to you when you tried to get a passport no that's not good enough, get us the long form - which would never happen, as fortunately this level of stupidity only attaches itself to political leaders, because I know I'd sure be pissed if I had to get a longer birth certificate just because my birth name isn't Johnson or Smith. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 2:12pm - the_reverend ""] I heard laura engrim or who ever say "so waggy mc finger wag had to show is birth certificate". I hate that bitch. |
| __________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 2:58pm - dertoxia ""] the_reverend said:Also, I just heard a birther on the radio "it is not about the birth certificate. You need to be born of 2 natralized citizens to be president" o rly? It's not even 2. Only the mother has the be a citizen. So even if Obama WAS born in Kenya, he'd still be able to be president. "Natural born citizen" does not mean "born on US soil." |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 3:12pm - the_reverend ""] I dub thee der-WRONG-ia. |
| __________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 3:14pm - brian_dc ""] the_reverend said:I heard that our first few presidents weren't even born in america. They were born in some british colony. SLICED! |
| ______________________________ [Apr 28,2011 3:15pm - Yeti ""] ShadowSD said: Yeti said:i had to show mine just to get a passport, not to become the leader of a country. if people were clamoring to see mine, i'd show it to shut them up. He showed the same short-form certificate to become President that you showed to get your passport. It's like if they said to you when you tried to get a passport no that's not good enough, get us the long form - which would never happen, as fortunately this level of stupidity only attaches itself to political leaders, because I know I'd sure be pissed if I had to get a longer birth certificate just because my birth name isn't Johnson or Smith. i just applied for my passport and i had to show the long form. the short form doesn't work anymore. |
| ________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 3:26pm - Moped ""] Birthers=Racism! Leave the poor guy alone so he can run this fucking country. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 3:27pm - thirdknuckle ""] Ah, but where was he CONCEIVED? |
| ________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 3:29pm - Moped ""] In the united states of mexico |
| ________________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 3:44pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] BSV said:didn't he have to show it to someone before he became president? I think you're thinking of Clinton, here. Think he showed it to a couple of people, actually. [img] |
| __________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 3:44pm - ShadowSD ""] Yeti said:i just applied for my passport and i had to show the long form. the short form doesn't work anymore. I stand corrected. |
| ________________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 3:45pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] ShadowSD said: Yeti said:i just applied for my passport and i had to show the long form. the short form doesn't work anymore. I stand corrected. ITT: Tony showed them the "long form" |
| ________________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 3:45pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] he just whipped it out |
| __________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 3:51pm - ShadowSD ""] Nonetheless, I still think Pam's take on the overall topic is the right one. Nobody asked any previous Presidents for this, no one cared that McCain wasn't actually born in the US, and none of the people on the radio/TV raising hell about it now would be worried about birth certificates had McCain won, or had a different Democrat like Edwards or Hillary won. |
| ___________________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 3:53pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] its just another act in the media/political puppet show. the only things that matter anymore are ratings and monetary gains. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 4:16pm - arilliusbm ""] I'd normally respond in threads like this but I'm too busy at my new job =/ |
| ___________________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 4:17pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] didnt hear about the new job. congrats! |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 4:19pm - arilliusbm ""] thanks. I got a new job photoshopping birth certificates. ZING |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 4:27pm - Headbanging_Man ""] dertoxia said: the_reverend said:Also, I just heard a birther on the radio "it is not about the birth certificate. You need to be born of 2 natralized citizens to be president" o rly? It's not even 2. Only the mother has the be a citizen. So even if Obama WAS born in Kenya, he'd still be able to be president. "Natural born citizen" does not mean "born on US soil." LOL WUT??? If Obama was born in Kenya, his mother's citizenship wouldn't make a difference. Likewise, if he was born in Hawaii to 2 non-citizens, he would be a natural born USAn. It's about location, nothing to do with parents' citizenship status. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 4:50pm - arilliusbm ""] http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread695331/pg1 Another ATS thread about it, but this one claiming to find a CIA wording that can only be seen by X-ray. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 4:56pm - Sacreligion ""] INB4: bennyhillifier |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 4:57pm - Headbanging_Man ""] The population of the ATS forum seems to be more than a little retarded... |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 4:59pm - arilliusbm ""] It is. There are some brilliant posters but the majority are fools. Only trolling as Phage is real. |
| _________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 5:48pm - Doomkid ""] I'll be sure to post another politically contentious thread tomorrow so you can join the party this weekend. |
| _________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 5:49pm - Doomkid ""] Damn you editing Aril! |
| __________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 6:15pm - dertoxia ""] Headbanging_Man said: dertoxia said: the_reverend said:Also, I just heard a birther on the radio "it is not about the birth certificate. You need to be born of 2 natralized citizens to be president" o rly? It's not even 2. Only the mother has the be a citizen. So even if Obama WAS born in Kenya, he'd still be able to be president. "Natural born citizen" does not mean "born on US soil." LOL WUT??? If Obama was born in Kenya, his mother's citizenship wouldn't make a difference. Likewise, if he was born in Hawaii to 2 non-citizens, he would be a natural born USAn. It's about location, nothing to do with parents' citizenship status. "The children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens." It's in the Immigration and Naturalization act. |
| __________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 6:18pm - dertoxia ""] http://blogs.forbes.com/danielfreedman/201...ma-doesnt-need-a-birth-certificate/ |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 6:18pm - bobnomaamrooney ""] THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS! |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 7:15pm - Headbanging_Man ""] dertoxia said:"The children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens." It's in the Immigration and Naturalization act. If I remember correctly though, this really only applies with both parents being citizens and residents, i.e. only temporarily overseas. According to the ever-reliable Wikip., the "natural born" part hasn't been interpreted by the courts, but I can't imagine it would hold with a baby born into foreign residency. Also: Here again is the citation at issue from the Naturalization Act of 1790: "... And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens:" Here is the portion of the Naturalization Act of 1795 that repealed the Naturalization Act of 1790: … and the children of citizens of the United States born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States. From this site: http://www.etherzone.com/2008/nath022208.shtml And some right-wingers have also been offering the debatable opinion that even being born in Hawaii, Obama would have needed 2 citizen parents to count as "natural born". So there's really no definitive law or ruling, but unless the kid is squeezed out at a foreign military/diplomatic site or while the parents are on an overseas vacation, being born to USAn parents out of the country allows for citizenship, but most likely not the elusive natural-born citizenship. |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 7:25pm - Headbanging_Man ""] I'm not saying I necessarily believe in/support it, but until the "natural born" part is removed from the Constitution by amendment or clarified, I think anyone born into foreign residence of USAn parents will be able to claim basic citizenship, but won't meet most interpretations of native/natural born. |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 7:29pm - bobnomaamrooney ""] bennyhillifier |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 7:35pm - Headbanging_Man ""] Impressive proof... |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 7:39pm - the_reverend ""] if both your parents are citizens and you are born on a military base in german, you are a citizen. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 7:40pm - the_reverend ""] it says nothing about a mother only |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 28,2011 7:53pm - Headbanging_Man ""] I actually think the best way to deal with the whole natural-born concept is to define it as those who receive US citizenship on birth, whether through territorial or parental means. These 2 State Dept. documents didn't clear up a whole lot, but maybe someone else can offer some interpretation. At the very least, the 2nd one states that: "It has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural-born citizen within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution and, therefore, eligible for the Presidency." http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86755.pdf http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86757.pdf |
| ______________________________ [Apr 29,2011 12:15am - pam ""] He's had a copy available online for like what? 3 years now? Oh but we need the long certificate! Then they get it and now we're talking about his fucking college transcripts. Can't they just say "we don't like the blacks"? |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 29,2011 12:16am - Alx_Casket ""] tl;dr http://www.catswearingthongs.org/ |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 29,2011 10:28am - DestroyYouAlot ""] pam said:He's had a copy available online for like what? 3 years now? Oh but we need the long certificate! Then they get it and now we're talking about his fucking college transcripts. Can't they just say "we don't like the blacks"? Doesn't fly on a bumper sticker. (Not up here, anyway.) |