ATTENTION LAURA/ 80sMetalChick!!![views:78676][posts:209]_______________________________ [Sep 21,2005 10:47am - nate ""] Rock show benefit in Quincy hits sour note By Jenna Wolf Wednesday, September 21, 2005 A rock 'n' roll benefit for Hurricane Katrina victims in Quincy has led to a dispute over who should get $96 in proceeds – and the American Red Cross is demanding a formal investigation. Four bands gathered Friday to rock 'n' raise relief funds at Dee Dee's Lounge. Nathan DeMontigny of Quincy, founder of Cold Stone Productions, organized the event on behalf of the Red Cross. Patrons paid $6 a head, but after expenses were deducted from the gate, DeMontigny said, only $96 was left for the charity. He said that money had to go to an Upstate New York band, Malomar, to cover gas for its trip. \'\'That's all I got at the door. I even gave the band four bucks out of my own pocket,'' DeMontigny said. But Laura Harrison of the Red Cross, who said she negotiated the deal with DeMontigny, claims he defrauded the agency, whose logo appeared on his concert flyer. Harrison said she has filed a complaint with her headquarters in Rhode Island. \'\'I didn't know it was going to be a spin-of-a-coin kind of chance we weren't going to get any money,'' Harrison said of the Quincy show. 1st - I am not from Quincy 2nd- It is Cold Storage Productions 3rd- The event was booked way before Hurricane Katrina hit NOLA so it was never a benefit for the Red Cross from the get go. It was to be the first of a series of shows in Quincy. When the Hurricane hit I thought about doing something for it. Jim from BOE got in touch and said Laura was interested in setting up a table and would I talk to her. I did speak with her about setting the booth up and possibly getting money from the door after I paid Malamor gas money as they were travelling from western part of update New York. I had not heard of any such dispute till I got a call from the Boston Herald yesterday, obviously they got my number from Laura, which I do not appreciate at all for doing so. Laura if you read this you need to check your facts about the whole situation. I told you a couple times on the phone that 3 of the bands had agreed to give up their cash, if the show made any money. I had kept with my word to Malamor about getting them gas money so they could get back home after the show. I told Laura andything above and beyond what I gave Malamor would go to the Red Cross. Even though the show seemed to do well, with all the band members and people the bands brought in with them I made $96 from the door. Julie from Dee Dee's handed me that money. It was all I got. So, again, Laura check your facts and drop this ridiculous suit. |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 11:08am - succubus ""] who can we email to complain about the article nate? |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 11:19am - succubus ""] does chickie (80smetalchick) know about this? i mean you already had a show and why does it say: \'\'I didn't know it was going to be a spin-of-a-coin kind of chance we weren't going to get any money,'' Harrison said of the Quincy show. if you still gave them $96? |
| _______________________________ [Sep 21,2005 11:25am - nate ""] I didn't give them $96, I gave it to Malamor to cover their travelling expenses. She was told from the get go anything above and beyond what I gave to Malamor for travelling here was to be donated. I didn't make anything more than the $96 and gave it to Malamor along with $4 from my pocket to round it off to $100 for them travelling here. She did go through the crowd asking for donations and people gave her some. I don't know what she made from that but I made no money from the show over what I paid Malamor to travel. |
| _______________________________ [Sep 21,2005 11:26am - nate ""] I nwould assume Jenna Wolf would be the person at the Herald to contact but I don't have her info... |
| ___________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 11:26am - largefreakatzero ""] This is so fucking gay. Nate needs this shit like a case of AIDS. He tried to do something decent and give money to a charity and gets fucked because of it? Due to an unfortunate fender-bender on the way home (see other thread), we (well Nick) is going to be out about $1500 or so. We are not crying about it, shit happens. Malamor came a long way to play this show and deserve to be compensated. This was a small show, not a massive turnout where people got rich. This woman Laura needs to get fucked. |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 11:33am - succubus ""] yah this is ridiculous...wtf people....so someone was going around at the show collecting money? but they didn't claim that they got anything? wow...this makes me sick |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 11:36am - anonymous ""] this is what happens when you think you are better than everyone else, have no job and love acting like a complete fucking whining self important bitch. Again, get over yourself. |
| ___________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 11:37am - largefreakatzero ""] No one ever approached me for a donation. Not that I would have donated, since my donation was $3/gallon to get there and back. Sorry for this shit, Nate -- I guess you must be really looking forward to moving to TN now! |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 11:38am - succubus ""] http://www.bu.edu/washjocenter/participant...pring2004/Wolf_Jenna/Wolf_Jenna.htm |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 11:41am - succubus ""] i don't follow anonymous...who are you talking about? |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 11:41am - JayTUS nli ""] Someone has some 'splainin to do. This is ridiculous. I love how the article doesn't say anything about ANY money being made at all. This dumb bitch should feel fortunate that someone is even TRYING to help. I thought the Red Cross prided themselves on the whole "no donation is too small" mentality? Obviously common sense dictates that pre-existing agreements have to be fullfilled. If that band wanted to donate any proceeds they made, that's totally up to them, but with the cost of gas these days, I don't blame them whatsoever. Lame. |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 11:43am - succubus ""] you know what bothers me most? how you try to do a nice thing and people take advantage of it and talk shit...give me a fuckin break... this is why some people don't bother helping, because you do something nice and people try to fuck you |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 11:45am - litacore ""] http://www.poynter.org heh-heh-heh |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 11:51am - the_reverend ""] she looks like she would like ani difranco.. barf... |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 11:52am - succubus ""] everyone needs to call and complain about this...i can't find her email do you have her number nate? |
| _______________________________ [Sep 21,2005 12:00pm - nate ""] yeah let me look it up in my phone... one sec... |
| ___________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 12:03pm - BestialOnslaught ""] [img] |
| _______________________________ [Sep 21,2005 12:15pm - nate ""] 617-619-6100 is what came up on my caller id |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 12:26pm - succubus ""] ok did you call her already? can you ask her if there is an email address where we can contact her? |
| _______________________________ [Sep 21,2005 12:28pm - nate ""] no I haven't called her yet, I am taking lunch ina few minutes so I will call then and ask her... Thanks Carina! |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 12:32pm - succubus ""] ok let me know..i won't do anything yet |
| ___________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 12:34pm - largefreakatzero ""] "But Laura Harrison of the Red Cross, who said she negotiated the deal with DeMontigny" Do you have any paper trail on this, or was this just something you spoke on the phone about? If this was a verbal agreement (and it appears that she is adding some of her own stipulations after the fact), I am venturing to guess they have nothing on you. |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 12:39pm - succubus ""] and was she even at the show? |
| _______________________________ [Sep 21,2005 12:39pm - nate ""] it was all verbal on the phone... and I told her over and over, anything I made off the door over and above what I was giving Malamor for gas money would be donated. I didn't make anything over and above what I gave Malamor so that's it. |
| _______________________________ [Sep 21,2005 12:41pm - nate ""] yes she was, and I reiterated the same thing I talked to her about on the phone about Malamor getting paid gas money. |
| ________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 12:46pm - Mess ""] we all know you pocketed $2,000.00 bucks. admit it. |
| _______________________________ [Sep 21,2005 12:47pm - nate ""] e-mail : citydesk@bostonherald.com Jenne does not have an e-mail address yet but they said to just put "Attention Jenna Wolf" in the subject line. Thank you. |
| _______________________________ [Sep 21,2005 12:49pm - nate ""] you got me, the whole 16 people that paid came out to $2,000 not $96 |
| _______________________________ [Sep 21,2005 12:56pm - BSV ""] ugh, what a fucking mess! |
| ________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 12:57pm - Mess ""] what a joke. let them drown next time. |
| ______________________________ [Sep 21,2005 1:03pm - BSV ""] i put $2 in the cup! this is bullshit. it's a fucking death metal show. not exactly the first place I'd set up a "fundraiser" at least. are people that numb that they don't realize how much it costs to drive here from NY? |
| __________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 1:17pm - succubus ""] ok so josh whoever the lady was who collected stole yer $2.. does anyone know who she is? |
| ______________________________ [Sep 21,2005 1:20pm - nate ""] Laura was the Red Cross "representative" that was there... |
| ____________________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 1:21pm - menstrual_sweatpants_disco ""] I'm not "supposed" to talk about this. But I just want to make it clear that Laura is doing everything she can to ruin Bane of Existence because of the shirt Joe was wearing at the DeeDee's show. I'm being called by reporters as well. That's all I'll go into for now. |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 1:27pm - RustedAngel ""] what shirt was Joe wearing? |
| ______________________________ [Sep 21,2005 1:29pm - nate ""] yeah I've got people calling me too, and all I wanted to do was try to help out where I could for the unfortunate people that were devesated by the Hurricane. This is what I get for helping... All I have to say is I WILL NEVER DO A BENEFIT SHOW AGAIN! Thanks Laura for bringing all of this on me! I can tell you're trying to help too, help destroy everyone elses lives!!! |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 1:36pm - the_reverend ""] carina, I should start writing everything in quatrains. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 1:45pm - anonymous ""] succubus said:i don't follow anonymous...who are you talking about? 80s metal chick obviously. |
| __________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 1:48pm - succubus ""] quatrains? oh and i get it now and i'm shocked to be honest...i don't know what else to say... |
| ______________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 1:54pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] The Herald isn't a real newspaper guys. |
| __________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 1:59pm - Aegathis ""] nate said: So, again, Laura check your facts and drop this ridiculous suit. Nate is there really a law suit being brought against you over this? |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 2:05pm - the_reverend ""] personally, I will never give to the red cross... they are the walmart of the charity world. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 2:06pm - anonymous ""] the_reverend said:personally, I will never give to the red cross... they are the walmart of the charity world. careful, you might get sued |
| __________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 2:08pm - Aegathis ""] Isnt walmart one of those current booming industries of it kind? |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 2:39pm - Robdeadskin ""] nate said:yeah I've got people calling me too, and all I wanted to do was try to help out where I could for the unfortunate people that were devesated by the Hurricane. This is what I get for helping... All I have to say is I WILL NEVER DO A BENEFIT SHOW AGAIN! Thanks Laura for bringing all of this on me! I can tell you're trying to help too, help destroy everyone elses lives!!! I knew that shit was gonna get out of hand!!! I didnt give a fuck about that cause to start with...I just thought if I was gonna get paid(which i didnt expect at all!) cuz whoremastery is a joke side project anyway..that any money that would have gone to me could have gone to the cause..but it didnt..and Im sorry nate that you have to deal with this...when it was someone elses intention..... Scott heard this on the way to work on talk radio and called me too..! |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 2:42pm - RustedAngel ""] I had no idea a simple benefit METAL show at that could cause such drama...jeez! Sucks that Nate has to deal with all this crap. Andy? Nick got in a $1500 fender bender? shit, how? |
| __________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 2:44pm - largefreakatzero ""] the_reverend said:personally, I will never give to the red cross... they are the walmart of the charity world. That's awesome. The lesson here is that no good deed shall go unpunished. I will email this twat at the Herald when I get a chance. |
| ______________________________ [Sep 21,2005 2:46pm - nate ""] again I will never help another person in my life, everytime I try to help someone bullshit like this happens. Anyone need anything? Fuck you I'm not doing it! |
| __________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 2:47pm - largefreakatzero ""] RustedAngel said:I had no idea a simple benefit METAL show at that could cause such drama...jeez! Sucks that Nate has to deal with all this crap. Andy? Nick got in a $1500 fender bender? shit, how? Yeah, with me! See thread about this show and my post about the ride home -- what a fucking nightmare. |
| ______________________________ [Sep 21,2005 2:48pm - nate ""] my phone is ringing like crazy, Laura you going to pay my cell phone bill?? |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 2:48pm - Robdeadskin ""] To be honest...alot of my friends got in for free that nite...and alot of other people didnt pay...but they are dumping this on nate..not that I want to get dee dee's in trouble..I love that place..But there was no one collecting much at the door that nite..from the attendance!!!! |
| ______________________________ [Sep 21,2005 2:50pm - nate ""] Dee Dee's is getting swamped with calls to... this is getting way to blown out of proportion. I am actually waiting to hear back from a real red Cross rep about what can be done about this cause she has no idea what even happened. |
| __________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 3:03pm - largefreakatzero ""] This is over $100. If that's what it takes to make this go away, talk to me and I will take care of it. Although I can't guarantee my check to this twat will not have fecal matter cast upon it. |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 3:07pm - Robdeadskin ""] and they might get another hurricanne.....this is why I dont give a fuck about other people!! ....in the end it's YOU that gets reamed up the ass...nate...bro...you dont deserve this shit and, Im sorry. So is BOE playin tonite with morticioan or is that fucked as well???? |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 3:17pm - the_reverend ""] as far as I know they are. I really hope they are. BOE on that sound system will be sick. |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 3:17pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""] nate said: I will never help another person in my life! Misanthropy > Philanthropy. >:] |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 3:35pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] I'll be accepting donations to raise money for Nate's legal expenses for the fraudulent lawsuit and moving costs at the show tonight. |
| ______________________________ [Sep 21,2005 3:36pm - nate ""] thanks for the laugh Joe, I needed it! |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 4:04pm - Robdeadskin ""] joe rules! |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 5:10pm - goratory nli ""] WOW, what a fucking retarded whore. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 5:14pm - anonymous ""] http://ledger.southofboston.com/articles/2005/09/21/news/news12.txt |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 5:15pm - BornSoVile ""] what the fuck, Jim said in the show review that she raised a little over $50! WHY IS SHE TRYING TO FUCK OVER MALAMOR??? DOESN'T SHE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COST OF GAS IS AND HOW MUCH IT COSTS WHEN YOU TRAVEL FROM NEW YORK?? WHY IS SHE TRYING TO SLANDER THE SCENE??? WHY ISN'T SHE RESPONDING? THIS SHIT NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT, INCREDIBLY CHILDISH. I'M USUALLY IN FAVOR OF CHARITIES AND WHATNOT BUT THIS IS BULLSHIT. NATE WAS KIND ENOUGH TO HELP AND THIS IS THE THANKS HE GETS? COME TO THE MUTILATED SHOW, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO RAISE SOME MONEY FOR NATE! |
| ____________________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 5:17pm - menstrual_sweatpants_disco ""] Wow, this shit is beyond retarded. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 5:18pm - BornSoVile ""] I'm fired up about this, honestly one of the single most RETARDED things I've ever seen happen. It's fucking disgusting. |
| __________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 5:28pm - BestialOnslaught ""] Someone should tell the Herald that there WERE no proceeds after the costs of the show were covered. What's this whole shirt deal though? Haha... Anyone got a pic of one? |
| __________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 5:32pm - largefreakatzero ""] Look at the Rev's random pics for this show. |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 5:32pm - anonymouse ""] [img] |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 5:34pm - the_reverend ""] look at the random shots. this is totally gay. |
| ___________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 5:40pm - Notorious D.U.G. ""] Now they were selling the t-shirt at the show? Christ. Somebody please explain slander to this ignorant retard. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 5:44pm - BornSoVile ""] so is this gonna be on the local news or what??? |
| __________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 5:47pm - BestialOnslaught ""] Apparently they've never heard of checking sources... |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 5:51pm - the_reverend ""] that sounds like facist talk there... are you some sort of commie pinko liberal? wtf. |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 5:52pm - DomesticTerror ""] i heard this on Dennis and Callahan at 7:45 this morning. I have every intention of of e-mailing the Herald about this. EVERYONE else should take 2 minutes to do this. This is bullshit. 1st off, the Red Cross is the LAST charitable organization to be accusing misspent funds after the 9/11 scandal. Chickie/Laura/whatever: I've kept my mouth shut so far because I consider BOE friends of mine, but you've gone WAY the fuck overboard with this. Are you accusing Nate of stealing the money? If so, then fucking say so! He tried to do something to help people out, and it didn't work. That's it, nothing more. So what do you do? You make a big scandal outta it, give BOE bad press by breaking off your organization's relationship with them (for the actions of ONE member, actions which were not sanctioned by the other members) without even giving the band the chance to handle it internally, make a formal apology, etc. You've filed a complaint with the Red Cross, alleging fraud with NO proof of contractual agreement. You've publicly slandered Nate DeMontigny (I would personally sue the living shit out of you.) And you've caused a horrible situation both within this scene and within BOE, both of which will have long lasting consequences for the band. and why? Because you're a self important twit who takes herself too seriously. If you're so displeased with Cold Storage/Nate, then why didn't you contact him, smooth things out, and come up with a written agreement to prevent future miscommunication, thus continuing the efforts to take in donations for your beloved cause? If you're so outraged, then why don't i see you returning the money that you collected, as a matter of principle? Considering this scene is a big part of your boyfriend's life, don't you think it would have been wise to not turn a mountain out of a molehill, and hanle this with Nate privately Or are you pulling a Yoko Ono, and trying to ruin things for Jim? Way to fuck your man's band up, hon. As it stands, i will not be donating anymore $$ to the Red Cross EVER, and also discourage any and everyone else from donating. Furthermore, I am boycotting any remaining shows that the ChickieFund will be collecting at, and am seriously considering boycotting all BOE shows until they completely sever any relationship with her. (sorry guys!) my only regret: that this post might ruin my friendship with Jim. Sorry, bro. I love you, but this is complete bullshit! |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 5:57pm - An80sMetalChick ""] Looks like printed matter speaks for itself: "All Proceeds to be Donated to the Red Cross" The Word "All" seems to stand out. Proceeds: The amount of money derived from a commercial or fundraising venture. |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 5:57pm - DomesticTerror ""] a photoshopped image is proof? shit, gimme an hour, an i'll prove McCrackin killed Kennedy. both of them. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:00pm - anonymous ""] http://www.chickie.org/ = fucking retarded, what the hell? get a life! |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:00pm - RichHorror ""] She should've stuck to raising a delicious turkey dinner and a well-ironed pair of slacks. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:00pm - BornSoVile ""] What Scott said. Like I said, I'm usually incredibly supportive of charities, I gave 2 bucks at that show. But since Laura doesn't get ENOUGH money she goes out of her way to...ugh. You should be ashamed of yourself Laura. You're a mean person. Trying to capitalize on the shortcommings of Death Metal show incredibly selfish. That show was booked what, a month before the hurricane hit, why do you feel the need to fuck over a band that had a deal already arranged?? You SHOULD have been professional and took the money YOU earned instead of getting greedy. |
| __________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:03pm - succubus ""] printed matter? what about the verbal agreement you had with nate? he told you the band was to be paid for gas where's the money people donated at the club? |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:04pm - DomesticTerror ""] Proceeds n.pl. the sum derived from a sale or business venture. Nate sold live entertainment, that he himself had purchased. he did not make a profit. In fact, he didn't even break even. The cost of the entertainment was greater than revenue that it generated. Do we give the red cross $-4.00? Does that mean the Red Cross has to give ME $4.00? alright, knock yourself out. |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:04pm - the_reverend ""] actually if you want to get in to a semantic/syntactic thing... which is where your post reeks of... proceeds are definted by "the yield" (which you cut out of your look up on http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Proceeds conviently enough). yield: A profit obtained from an investment; a return. investment: $100 to get malamor to play return: $54 in the collection bucket it's simple enough terms.. can your gpu handle that? |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:05pm - RichHorror ""] I'm positive if I look anywhere else on the 'net, the flyer has no mention of all proceeds going to the Red Cross. You suck at the internet. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:08pm - anonymous ""] http://www.returntothepit.com/view.php?formid=21882 |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:08pm - the_reverend ""] hm.. there is some website out there where you can upload flyers um.. oh yeah! this one. here is the flyer: [img] |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:09pm - nate nli ""] I just spoke with her and this is now all about me putting their logo on their and saying proceeds go to the red cross. She knew, even the night of the show, that Malamor was getting gas money before any donation. I didn't make enough money to donate now I'm getting sued? Now my family can't move till this bs is cleared up? It's ok for me and my family because of $96 I promised to the band well before this became a benefit show? |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:12pm - RichHorror ""] the_reverend said:hm.. there is some website out there where you can upload flyers um.. oh yeah! this one. here is the flyer: [img] PWNED |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:12pm - DomesticTerror ""] I have a proposal Laura. I will give you the $96, on behalf of Cold Storage Productions. In exchange, you will retract your complaint with the Red Cross, and you will stay away from this scene. You just came in, no one will miss you. It's probably to your benefit. I don't think you've got too many friends here anymore. I personally find you a disgusting, self serving individual, and won't think twice about letting you know, at any show you might show up at. |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:13pm - nate nli ""] Laura, you can explain to my children why we can't move into our new house now. You can also explain to them why we don't have a place to live because we had to worry about this instead of paying to move into a new house. Thank you for destroying my life Laura. All for $96. I hope you sleep well tonight! |
| __________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:13pm - succubus ""] hey nate, check your emails pls |
| ___________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:13pm - Notorious D.U.G. ""] This situation is like arguing with Castledoomerone if he was brainwashed Manchurian Candidate style. Trying to rationalize and argue with people like her is like dry humping; in the end you really don't have anything to show for your efforts. |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:14pm - the_reverend ""] this is going to make the show tonight oh so much fun. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:15pm - RichHorror ""] nate nli said:Laura, you can explain to my children why we can't move into our new house now. You can also explain to them why we don't have a place to live because we had to worry about this instead of paying to move into a new house. Thank you for destroying my life Laura. All for $96. I hope you sleep well tonight! Countersue. |
| __________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:18pm - succubus ""] and if you had an issue with nate why didn't you speak up and try to resolve it with him instead of going to the media and giving a biased account of what happened wtf? |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:19pm - BornSoVile ""] Laura, you are a disgrace to the word "charity". Don't ever go to a show again please. I can't believe how much you have maliciously with full intent destoryed Nate's life. |
| __________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:21pm - brian_dc ""] attempted philanthropy, a crime punishable in civil court lame...nate, good for you for trying to do a nice thing that you did NOT have any obligation to do. This is not worth the bullshit that he's going to have to put up with. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:22pm - RichHorror ""] The hilarity of this is, as far as I can tell, Laura has no actual proof of anything she claims... probably because they're all bold-faced lies. Nate on the other hand, seems to have a pretty decent case. |
| __________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:22pm - brian_dc ""] Notorious D.U.G. said:This situation is like arguing with Castledoomerone if he was brainwashed Manchurian Candidate style. Trying to rationalize and argue with people like her is like dry humping; in the end you really don't have anything to show for your efforts. [img] |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:31pm - DomesticTerror ""] DomesticTerror said:I have a proposal Laura. I will give you the $96, on behalf of Cold Storage Productions. In exchange, you will retract your complaint with the Red Cross, and you will stay away from this scene. You just came in, no one will miss you. It's probably to your benefit. I don't think you've got too many friends here anymore. I personally find you a disgusting, self serving individual, and won't think twice about letting you know, at any show you might show up at. |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:33pm - DomesticTerror ""] Laura, you still haven't answered any of my questions. Where is your conviction? |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:34pm - nate nli ""] I appreciate you saying that Scott but she obviously has her own agenda. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:35pm - Aegathis nli ""] Nate if theyre suing you, then for how much |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:36pm - DomesticTerror ""] it's amazing...12 hours ago i hardly knew this woman. Now I loathe her down to my marrow. |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:45pm - nate nli ""] For a minute I thought this was a joke of some sort, but I must have been dreaming. It's not enough the people in NOLA have suffered but now everyone has to, even the people trying to help. |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:47pm - DomesticTerror ""] What if DeeDee's gets fed up with the press/phone calls and stops booking? If that were to happen, then this chick and I will have SERIOUS issues. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:51pm - BornSoVile ""] Aegathis nli said:Nate if theyre suing you, then for how much Dude, fucking email him or call him up those questions-that shit shouldn't be posted here. |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 6:53pm - nate nli ""] Ooooh the foreshadowing/inevitabilty is killing me. |
| __________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 7:00pm - largefreakatzero ""] OK, here's what I just sent to the gay Herald, my wife (an ex-journalist) added the catty comments and annoying catch phrases: Disconcerting Article - Red Crossed http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=103543 This response regards today's article by reporter Jenna Wolf headlined "Rock show benefit in Quincy hits sour note," in which Laura Harrison of the American Red Cross contends show organizer Nathan DeMontigny defrauded the organization of $96. I play guitar for Life at Zero, one of the bands that performed at the "rock show benefit," as Wolf put it. This show was put together on 8/2/2005, long before Hurricane Katrina was even a collection of raindrops. After the hurricane disaster, DeMontigny contacted us and the other 2 opening bands to see if we would play the show for free and have the proceeds donated to the American Red Cross. He made it clear that Malamor (the headlining band from NY) would still receive compensation for playing, since they had to travel so far. All 3 opening bands were fine with the agreement. Where Laura Harrison of the American Red Cross got the idea that Nathan somehow defrauded her is beyond me. The payment to Malamor was part of the cost of putting on this show, and, take it from someone who has traveled all over the place to perform, $100 of gas money does not even come close to covering their travel expenses. Shame on reporter (intern?) Jenna Wolf and the Boston Herald for running this story without first checking facts. Your reporter got many basic facts wrong, and should probably go back to BU's journalism school: DeMontigny is NOT from Quincy; the name of his production company is Cold Storage Productions (not Cold Stone); and the show was NOT organized on behalf of the Red Cross, to name a few errors in her 194-word article. I also find it appalling that you would so quickly attack -- dare I say, libel -- an individual and an extremely small music scene who were only trying to do a good deed. Believe me, I wish we collected more money at the door -- but the venue was tiny and the crowd smaller than expected. This article is the kind of garbage I would expect from Fox News. The fact that this debate is over one hundred lousy dollars makes this even more ridiculous. As a representative of the American Red Cross, Laura Harrison should be ashamed. In the time it took to call the Boston Herald and libel an innocent party, she probably could have raised the $100 from a couple of fundraising phone calls. Nathan DeMontigny has done a lot for our music scene and does not deserve this type of abuse from the media, who apparently are having a "slow news day" -- or perhaps you couldn't resist the overused 'sour note' headline. He attempted to raise money for a good cause and is getting his name trashed over $100 that was part of the cost of putting on this production. I strongly recommend a correction or follow-up article with the real facts and making a concerted effort to clear DeMontigny's name. Sincerely appalled, Andy Westcott |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 7:10pm - nate nli ""] Wow Andy! THANK YOU is all I can say! |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 7:18pm - DomesticTerror ""] I'm drafting now. My neighbor/father's best friend is the Entertainment Editor for the Boston Herald. gotta run it by him first. |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 7:20pm - RustedAngel ""] nice job andy and thumbs up to the wife! |
| __________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 7:29pm - succubus ""] nate i've been trying to reach you but i do not want to post on here i've sent you 2 emails..pls write me back |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 7:32pm - nate nli ""] E-mailed u back Carina |
| __________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 7:51pm - dwellingsickness ""] All I can say is that it is for an organization as big as the Red Cross to have a woman like this Laura Harrison ,"representing" them and accussing Nate ,who obviously was doing his part in trying to help these people out ,of Defrauding the Red Cross of $96 is so retarded..Who is this gonna hurt more in the end, one singled out individual or a "representative" of an International Organization, who is making a big deal over $96.. |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 8:02pm - RustedAngel ""] Please tell me that the red cross is more concerned with the hurricane that just destroyed NO and the hurricane about to hit texas than $96. |
| __________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 8:08pm - largefreakatzero ""] I heard that thing is now a Cat. 5. Should be interesting... |
| ________________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 8:26pm - mark fucking richards ""] wow...i can't add much to this since there is already a solid consensus that i fully agree with. nate, if you need me to do anything that may be of any assistance, let me know. this is bullshit beyond all comprehension. i guess i'll just leave it at that. and just a quick sidenote, the author who wrote the article must have been hungry when she wrote it. Cold Stone is an ice cream shop, and she spelled Malamor as Malomar, a delicious marshmallow/chocolate treat. that alone shows an insanely low degree of professionalism |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 8:32pm - the_reverend ""] mallomar (two l's) |
| ________________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 8:41pm - mark fucking richards ""] damn you rev and your grammatical majesty. still, malomar is closer to a snack than it is to malamor. fucker. |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 11:02pm - DomesticTerror ""] I am writing to take issue with Jenna Wolf's article "Rock show benefit in Quincy hits sour note", published in Wednesday's Herald (http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=103543). I performed at the show that evening, and am quite displeased with the lack of factual information that your newspaper has printed. Even more alarming, I heard the story read from your publication on WEEI 850 AM, who has an extremely large audience. This concert was not organized on behalf of the Red Cross, as stated. It was organized on August 2nd, weeks before Hurricane Katrina ever hit. My band, along with 2 other openers were then asked by the event organizer, Nathan DeMontigny, if we were willing to forgo payment, if any, to benefit victims of the hurricane. We all agreed. Also, Mr. DeMontigny does not reside in Quincy, and the name of his company is Cold Storage Productions, not Stone Cold Productions. Your article also states that after expenses were deducted from the gate, there was $96.00 left for the charity. This is simply not true. The gate collected a total of $96.00, and the expenses totalled $100.00. This was the cost of the NY band Malamor (which your article misspelled), who required payment for travel expenses, which is quite common with out of state bands. Simple arithmetic will tell you that this concert lost money. $4.00 to be exact. Red Cross representative Laura Harrison was quoted with the claim that she recieved no money, but neither she nor the article ever mention the money that she had collected at her table inside the club, right by the entrance. I believe her total was $54.00. She has since filed a complaint with her RI headquarters, as your paper accurately reported, but with no proof of any contractual agreement. She cannot provide this proof because there was no contract. It was a verbal agreement made between friends and associates. (I know this because, as one of the performers, I am part of this agreement, along with 12 others.) I have contacted her, asking why she hasn't tried to come to an agreement with Mr. DeMontigny, and possibly write up some type of formal agreement to prevent future miscommunications. She has yet to respond, and her website www.bandsforrelief.net has mysteriously and conveniently stopped functioning. Apparently her only cause is slander. I find it horrible that the Herald would print such a misinformed, one sided story. Is this standard policy, or is it just reserved for the ravings of fanatical activists? I haven't been able to confirm it yet, but I've been told that DeeDee's Lounge has stopped allowing local promoters to book shows at their venue, all due to the publicity. Other promoters, along with Mr. DeMontigny, have decided to never put on another fund raiser. These consequences may not upset most readers, but it is a major loss to our growing scene. Furthermore, many of your readers and WEEI listeners may now be skeptical about contibuting to smaller fund raising events. This is very unbeneficial to a charitable organization that claims "no amount is too small." In the future, please conduct your reporting with a certain level of responsiblity. It is not an option. As a news provider, it is your obligation. But who am I to lecture the Herald on journalistic integrity? I'm just a person who has been affected by this sad display of junk reporting. *edit* took out my name. yeah, i'm paranoid |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 11:06pm - DomesticTerror ""] dammit! 2 typos... |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 11:11pm - nate nli ""] and again, WOW Scott, Thank you as well. With all this, and some other people doing things (which I thank you all) hopefully this issue will no longer be an issue and we can all get on with our lives. But like many people are saying, this did not only effect me but it now has tarnished the way people look at charitable groups. No matter how small a voice we all are in the infamous words of the Red Cross "no amount is to small". And even the smallest reply to a paper or radio station about this will have an effect. Thanks again guys, I'll keep you all updated when I get anything more, whether or not this gets dropped or they proceed with this lunatic lawsuit. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 11:12pm - nate nli ""] if anyone does write something up and sends it in can you either send it to me or post it here? I will take what everyone wrote to court with me if it comes to it. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 11:13pm - nate nli ""] send it to leukorrhea@gmail.com sorry not logged in and forgot to post e-mail |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 11:20pm - anonymous ""] http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseacti...9FC-4605-88EDFAC490F227EC1881747234 intersting. it seemed she understood the deal on the 16th. pretty neat. rather big hole she's digging for herself there. |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 11:23pm - DomesticTerror ""] she's in too deep to retract anything now. i'd sue her. a lot. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 11:38pm - nate nli ""] awesome, I'll make sure to send that to her superviser tomorrow and to the Boston Herald. If she takes it down that's fine to, I just saved it into a folder and I have it timestamped digitally so that's that for now... anonymous THANK YOU! |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 11:42pm - DomesticTerror ""] tomorrow i will be writing to the Red Cross. who else can we write to? I'm debating writing to Dennis and Callahan, but they'll probably just joke about it and make it worse... |
| __________________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 11:43pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] anonymous said:http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseacti...9FC-4605-88EDFAC490F227EC1881747234 intersting. it seemed she understood the deal on the 16th. pretty neat. rather big hole she's digging for herself there. this anonymous guy is like Deep Throat. |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 11:44pm - DomesticTerror ""] Chickie, do you have any specific title or ID with the RI Red Cross. I will most certainly be mentioning you. Quite frequently, too. |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 11:47pm - KeithMutiny ""] [img] |
| __________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 7:38am - succubus ""] September 16, 2005 http://www.bandsforrelief.net is now active. This evening the Bands for Relief effort took place at Dee Dee's Lounge in Quincy, Massachusetts. Unfortunately, Cold Storage Productions could not donate money to the Red Cross because they had to pay band travel expenses. This evening, Bands for Relief collected $53.50 from the crowd and from Bane of Existence, who contributed donations from their merchandise sales. A Very Special Thank You to Tammy, Jim and Jodi who helped out this evening wtih the crowd collections. Many more thanks to all of the kind folks who turned out for the "first half" of this show and donated as much as they did for Hurricane Katrina Relief. |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 8:17am - DreamingInExile ""] hmmm... interesting how the tables have turned on this event when a couple of well put, professional reading letters were written and sent to the Herald (which is, as stated above, a shoddy excuse for a news paper) Let's see what happens next and Carina, I just checked, and bandsforrelief.net isn't working anymore... The plot thickens yet again... |
| ______________________________ [Sep 22,2005 8:25am - nate ""] anyone get the Herald this morning? |
| ______________________________ [Sep 22,2005 8:58am - nate ""] hmm I went to check on the properties of one of her pages (chickie.org) and it says the page was edited on 9/22/05.... looks like someone rushed to take their page down... [img] |
| ______________________________ [Sep 22,2005 8:59am - nate ""] I wonder if the Red Cross has relieved her of her duties yet? |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 9:01am - RustedAngel ""] nate said:hmm I went to check on the properties of one of her pages (chickie.org) and it says the page was edited on 9/22/05.... looks like someone rushed to take their page down... did Jim and her break up because of this yet? I wonder if he deleted her website. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 9:02am - anonymous ""] It is a shame that when good people attempt to come to the aide of their nieghbors they are trashed by the ignorant as all of the above posters are! I have it on good authority that Laura went to the RI chapter of the Red Cross and signed an agreement to fund raise. How do I know this? I am the person who advised her to do so. The event may have been planned in advance of the hurricane, however; Nate printed both a poster and a flyer advertising the event as ALL proceeds to go to the Red Cross. Laura did not photo shop that poster and Nate if you were an honest man you would admit this. To blame Laura for "ruining your family's move" is a joke. Whyt don't you take responsibility for your actions. Also, as a Red Cross volunteer I do not charge for gas money when I do anything to benefit the victoms of disaster. If the band needed gas money then Nate you should have paid them out of your own pocket. For all of you who trash Laura and the Red Cross...what other organization provides shelter, food and clothing to disaster victims? As a Red Cross volunteer, I can attest to the fact that when your house burns down in the middle of the night noone BUT the Red Cross will show up to help you! Also in reply to the post regarding the Red Cross handling funds inappropriately....their then CEO was FIRED as a results of that decision. If you want your money to go to hurricane victims write a check and note "for hurricane relief" on it and that is where it will go. Laura went out and tried to do a honorable thing....Yoko ONo my ass................thw band did not issue a apology because Mike is their webmaster and refused. What a bunch of liars you people are. Get your facts straight and stop talking about the dollar amount. A theif is a theif. Stealing money meant for Katrina victims.....disgusting!!! |
| __________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 9:05am - succubus ""] it's "thief" learn to spell please and when Nate told Laura that the out of state band needed to get paid why didn't she speak up then? You are disgusting coming on here with your biased facts. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 9:07am - Messerschmitt ""] i knew katrina was a whore all along |
| ______________________________ [Sep 22,2005 9:13am - nate ""] The logo was added to the flyer 3 days before the show, and only on the Cold Storage Productions my space page. Maybe you should re-read the entire post here and see that I had already agreed to pay the band to come from New York travelling expenses. You would also see that I told Laura anything over and above what they got paid would be donated. Since there was not enough money made, $4 came out of my own pocket. You would also notice that she collected $54 that night. Isn't the Red Cross the group that says "no amount is to small"? So she made a donation based on the money collected, at a show from the get go was not a benefit but became one to help people out that needed it. I have nothing to hide, this is and was the deal, Laura can believe whatever she wants but the agreement that her and I had stated anyting above and beyond Malamor's travelling expenses would be donated, and that she could set up a booth at the show. And if you're so correct and pointing fingers here anonymous why not say who you are? I have nothing to hide, what are you hiding from? |
| ______________________________ [Sep 22,2005 9:16am - nate ""] edit: forget tracing the IP, we can all guess who it was... |
| __________________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 10:29am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] I heard that when the homeless guy outside 7 11 asks for change on the way out, and you say Yeah ok if I have any change after I get my scratch ticket and coffee I'll give it to you, and then you don't have any to give him, he can sue you. Totally sweet logic. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 11:15am - ArrowHead ""] An80sMetalChick said:Looks like printed matter speaks for itself: "All Proceeds to be Donated to the Red Cross" The Word "All" seems to stand out. Proceeds: The amount of money derived from a commercial or fundraising venture. PROCEEDS is indicative of NET, not GROSS sales - retard. Paying a guarantee of $100 to an out of state band for gas and van rental is an EXPENSE, just like booking sound, lighting, providing pay for security or police presence, etc... In a non-profit organization, salaries still get paid, overhead still gets met, and cost-of business still comes out of revenue. The red-cross does it themselves, yet you're clueless to see the same paradigm in the music industry? Worst part is, with the weight of media and a huge organization like the Red Cross behind you, you can be totally wrong and STILL cause a lot of damage with the shit you sling. You know absolutely NOTHING about business, chickie. You've also gone out of your way to slander and cast negative light upon an already ailing local music scene. You've officially made yourself public enemy #1 with this. I'll be shooting off a letter myself to the herald concentrating on your poor ethic, lack of professionalism, and lack of tact. I'll also be sending one off the the Red Cross, so if anyone can provide me with Chickie's full name I'd be very grateful. I'll also be speaking with my attourney (ex-DA of 25 years) on Nate's behalf. He won't represent him cheaply, but he will give me some free advice. At this point, I think the only issues Nate can fight back on is the lack of contract or notarization, slander (which is iffy, and expensive to bring to court), and giving out his personal phone # (which is also iffy if he ever presented it as his "business" number) In closing, I must say this to Chickie: You're a douche. |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 11:33am - babyshaker ""] ArrowHead said:An80sMetalChick said:Looks like printed matter speaks for itself: "All Proceeds to be Donated to the Red Cross" The Word "All" seems to stand out. Proceeds: The amount of money derived from a commercial or fundraising venture. PROCEEDS is indicative of NET, not GROSS sales - retard. Paying a guarantee of $100 to an out of state band for gas and van rental is an EXPENSE, just like booking sound, lighting, providing pay for security or police presence, etc... In a non-profit organization, salaries still get paid, overhead still gets met, and cost-of business still comes out of revenue. The red-cross does it themselves, yet you're clueless to see the same paradigm in the music industry? Worst part is, with the weight of media and a huge organization like the Red Cross behind you, you can be totally wrong and STILL cause a lot of damage with the shit you sling. You know absolutely NOTHING about business, chickie. You've also gone out of your way to slander and cast negative light upon an already ailing local music scene. You've officially made yourself public enemy #1 with this. I'll be shooting off a letter myself to the herald concentrating on your poor ethic, lack of professionalism, and lack of tact. I'll also be sending one off the the Red Cross, so if anyone can provide me with Chickie's full name I'd be very grateful. I'll also be speaking with my attourney (ex-DA of 25 years) on Nate's behalf. He won't represent him cheaply, but he will give me some free advice. At this point, I think the only issues Nate can fight back on is the lack of contract or notarization, slander (which is iffy, and expensive to bring to court), and giving out his personal phone # (which is also iffy if he ever presented it as his "business" number) In closing, I must say this to Chickie: You're a douche. only on this web site could someone write a paragraph as professional as that and end it with "you're a douche" i love it |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 11:39am - SuperFly ""] this is why you should keep shows about the music. a benefit show is a nice idea but how much money do you think you're really gonna raise. especially for a local show. anyone involved in this scene knows that if 50 people show up thats a good night. if someone cares so much make a donation, there's a million ways to do so. all this shit could have been avoided. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 11:45am - ArrowHead ""] babyshaker said: only on this web site could someone write a paragraph as professional as that and end it with "you're a douche" i love it Actually, I called her a retard in the first sentence as well. And it's not just this website, I really talk this way. Ironic, that my own job is in jeapordy due to my lack of "professionalism".. lol |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 11:52am - RustedAngel ""] any money made from a show should be donated to the bands for gas money at least. |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 11:56am - CHICKIE ""] LOOK AT ME! [img] |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 11:59am - ArrowHead ""] There you go, make fun of how she looks. God knows she hasn't given us enough real personal flaws to attack, let's go after the one thing she has no control over. It's people like you that make fun of me for being short, while missing out on the fact that I'm a COMPLETE ASSHOLE |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 12:03pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] Her website seems to be down, but luckily for me I catalogued everything because I plan to see a lawyer about sueing 'chickie' myself for slander and mental anguish (from loss of business). |
| _______________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 12:04pm - an80smetalchick NLI ""] HUMP ME PLZ!!!! |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 12:10pm - ArrowHead ""] Good luck Joe, I bet you couldn't afford the inital court dates, lawyer, or missed work. Lawsuits don't work that way. You need to have a chance of recieving payout that justifies court expenditures, or you need the backing of a huge and reputable company that can pay those expenses for you, like, say, maybe the Red Cross? Now if we instead make it a point to politely and proffessionally inform the Red Cross about the truth of this situation, and the bad publicity that Chickie is bringing the music community AND the Red Cross, I'm sure we could get her removed from her position, or at least from dealing with the general public on behalf of the RC. |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 12:30pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] She doesn't have a position with the Red Cross, that was either a lie she wrote in her press release or that the newspapers conjured up from nowhere. She is someone who created her own website so she could raise money for the Red Cross, she is not an employee of them, or as far as I understand it, even affiliated in any real professional way. In reality she does not have a job that I know about, so I bet she donated alot of her own money to the benefit for Hurrican Victims. I believe I can get a lawyer who, if thinks I have a case, will work for nothing and get paid only if he wins the case for me. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 1:04pm - anonymous ""] I write annonymously because the people that come here threaten others, resort to some pretty devisive tactics and are basically inarticulate and uninformed. If the best you can do is trash me for spelling errors then you need to try harder. Laura formed a website and effort and called it "Bands for Relief" . She went to the Red Cross and volunteered to raise funds with their agreement and that of the bands who participated at more than one venue. The Red Cross expected that the proceeds of the gate at Nate's place were to go to them.Even if the announcement that the proceeds were to go to the Red Cross were on a web site for 24 hours all who see it assume that their gate money goes to the Red Cross. Doesn't Nate pay bands to play at his place?Isn't that part of his Administrative costs? A benefit for any reason has administrative costs, but the statement that 100% of the proceeds goes to the Red Cross is misleading. Who printed that poster and flyer? All this talk over law suits? Oh I guess you are all attorneys? You need just cause to bring a suit against someone and the burden of proof lies on the accuser. I am being objective. I don't have to resort to name calling to express my pov.Laura was not posing as a Red Cross volunteer nor employee, she was working as herself under the name "Bands For Relief". Call her a liar if you want, she never misrepresented herself at all. Yes, the Red Cross gratefully accepts any donation big or small. She went public with this because she believed that money that was supposed to go to the Red Cross didn't get there and that is the case then it is wrong. I also would like to know what all of you do to help other people? Here is a woman who was horrified at what she saw and wanted to do something about it. You are getting it wrong. If Laura has the time to put her energies to raising money for the hurricane victims and there was money that should have rightfully gone there than I think she should be applauded. It's all your loss, the Laura I know has the courage to do what's right. |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 1:08pm - ArrowHead ""] Joe/NotCommon said: I believe I can get a lawyer who, if thinks I have a case, will work for nothing and get paid only if he wins the case for me. Honestly, if you can do this see if you can get him to donate any winnings to the Red Cross. Imagine the way that'd look in the papers. If raising money for the RC is important to her, then being made out to be the bad guy would crush her. |
| ______________________________ [Sep 22,2005 1:10pm - nate ""] yes she did misrepresent herself with supposed contracts that she had with the Red Cross, which none of us, including myself, have seen or been made aware of. Where is the contract she had with them? |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 1:12pm - ArrowHead ""] anonymous said: the Laura I know has the courage to do what's right. But she's wasting energy doing what is WRONG. You mention yourself in your statement, she expected the PROCEEDS to go to the RC. She misunderstood the cost of business at a show. This is easily explained, but she felt the need to publicly embarass herself and others over a gesture of goodwill that was sincere on all parts. The laura I know seems to be a cunt. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 1:12pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] Nate, you should see about possibly sueing Laura as well |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 1:15pm - ArrowHead ""] By the way, look at the bigger examples. When live aid happened, do you think the bands' crews, trucks, equipment, and travel went unpaid for? At the end of the day, you pay what you need to to bring in the money. Nate did that. Then, the remainder or "proceeds" go into the pocket of the promoter. In a case of charity, THIS is the sum of donation. Without paying a guarantee, the band wouldn't play. Without the band, the fans of the band don't come. Without the fans, the money wouldn't have been there anyways. |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 1:19pm - ArrowHead ""] anonymous said:I write annonymously because the people that come here threaten others, resort to some pretty devisive tactics and are basically inarticulate and uninformed. Actually, you write anonymously because you fear repercussions against yourself for publicly sharing your opinion. It's a sign of weakness, and a lack of strong charachter. You boast of your articulation and information, yet no one will give earnest respect to the man who jumps onto the soapbox with a mask over his face. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 1:22pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] anonymous said: the Laura I know has the courage to do what's right. and the Jim I know laughed his ass off at all of our Tsunami jokes, and made some of his own about Dimebag Darrell |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 1:29pm - wade nli ""] Joe/NotCommon said:Nate, you should see about possibly sueing Laura as well |
| ______________________________ [Sep 22,2005 1:32pm - nate ""] all I want out of this is for her to drop it and admit that she was wrong. I don't have the money and or time to pursue a lawsuit against her. If I did I would be all over it like a seagull on a french fry. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 1:54pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] i dont think she can drop it, isnt it the red cross' investigation now? |
| ______________________________ [Sep 22,2005 2:09pm - nate ""] yeah it is in their hands but I have yet to receive a call from anyone other than the Boston Herald about it. I think the Red Cross has better things to do than worry about a misunderstanding, like say Hurricane Rita that is about to destroy southern Texas. But we'll wait and see, she gave my number to the Herald so I'm sure she did to the Red Cross... |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 2:13pm - anonymous ""] As I said before the burden lies on the accuser, yes, with all the threats of law suits and worse I wouldn't go public. You are in no position to judge my character, your words are meaningless. I know who I am and I know Laura and she believes that she is acting in good faith. Let the Red Cross and the authorities sort out what happened. In the meanwhile go look in the mirror. Only G-- is my judge. |
| ______________________________ [Sep 22,2005 2:16pm - nate ""] only G--? |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 2:16pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] God, but Jim usually spells it as dog |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 2:17pm - ArrowHead ""] anonymous said: Let the Red Cross and the authorities sort out what happened. Good advice, better given BEFORE calling newspapers. My words are meaningless because you have tin ears. I've pretty much agreed with everything you've said, except she should NOT have called the papers and given out nate's phone. The media already portrays the local scene poorly. She's now added to that. I judge god as well, so don't try hiding behind him with that God is my judge crap. You believe that? You'd sign your name. No one on either side has grounds or money for a lawsuit. That's a poor excuse you use. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 2:20pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] The newspapers also called Mike from Bane of Existence |
| __________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 2:28pm - largefreakatzero ""] Again, my offer stands, if $100 will make this go away, I will write the check. Let me know who to send it to. This woman is obviously insane and this is a waste of all our time. |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 2:38pm - Josh_Martin ""] Give me the $100 and I'll knock her teeth out. Hitting women is ok if you do it for money. |
| __________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 2:56pm - largefreakatzero ""] Josh_Martin said:Give me the $100 and I'll knock her teeth out. Hitting women is ok if you do it for money. Haha - well put! Actually, I think you just came up with a new song title for your band... |
| ______________________________ [Sep 22,2005 3:10pm - BSV ""] anonymous said:As I said before the burden lies on the accuser, yes, with all the threats of law suits and worse I wouldn't go public. You are in no position to judge my character, your words are meaningless. I know who I am and I know Laura and she believes that she is acting in good faith. Let the Red Cross and the authorities sort out what happened. In the meanwhile go look in the mirror. Only G-- is my judge. You're as much of a fraud as Laura is. God is fucking dead. Stop trying to bully the little guy. |
| __________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 4:21pm - BestialOnslaught ""] I can't believe "anonymous" says this bitch deserves applause... Fucking hell. |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 5:26pm - DomesticTerror ""] anonymous said: Also, as a Red Cross volunteer I do not charge for gas money when I do anything to benefit the victoms of disaster. QUOTE] Malamor aren't Red Cross volunteers. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 5:42pm - RichHorror ""] I like how she signs her press release with a nickname. Fucking idiot. |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 5:48pm - DomesticTerror ""] don't forget to send a letter to the patriot ledger. that article has some bad info as well. i like how it kinda plugs BOE. interesting. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 5:51pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] It doesn't really plug BOE, as it just mentions the shirt and then segues into what death metal is about. |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 5:52pm - DomesticTerror ""] i'm just jealous, cuz no newspaper will print the word Whoremastery. not that the ledger is a real newspaper. |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 6:03pm - DomesticTerror ""] actually, it seems that the agreement was between Nate and Jim Ash http://www.returntothepit.com/view.php?formid=21360#304819 |
| __________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 6:05pm - succubus ""] RichHorror said:I like how she signs her press release with a nickname. Fucking idiot. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA I agree 100% |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 6:10pm - DomesticTerror ""] just for the record, i'd like to retract my statement about considering boycotting BOE until they sever all ties with her. It's kinda pointless, because her company has already severed ties with them. yeah, it took me a day to realize that...oops. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 6:12pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] Yeah, but for some reason Jim still uses the BOE email list and myspace to plug her agenda. It makes no sense. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 6:15pm - RichHorror ""] Joe/NotCommon said:Yeah, but for some reason Jim still uses the BOE email list and myspace to plug her agenda. It makes no sense. Insert picture of vagina here. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 7:47pm - anonymous ""] Here is my last word on the subject. Anyone who is so intolerant to attack my religious beliefs is unworthy of my time and energy. I am glad to be an American!!! |
| _____________________________ [Sep 22,2005 7:50pm - mOe ""] now if only we knew just who in the high, holy hell you were |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 7:56pm - the_reverend ""] "you've unleashed the fucking fury!" |
| __________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 8:01pm - Notorious_D.U.G. ""] anonymous said:Here is my last word on the subject. Anyone who is so intolerant to attack my religious beliefs is unworthy of my time and energy. I am glad to be an American!!! last word really? don't tease us. is that a promise? sure hope so. thanks. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 8:02pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] the_reverend said:"you've unleashed the fucking fury!" haha that just cheered me up beyond belief |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 8:29pm - BornSoVile ""] I can't believe how much malicous destruction Laura has caused. I hope she's fucking happy. I hope it's fucking worth it. Even my nana knows she's out of line. |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 8:43pm - Handinjury NLI ""] This is FUCKING RETARDED. I played in one of the bands that night, Whoremastery to be exact. I just spent over a half hour reading this thread. I am really angry with this turnout of events. So I am going to make this post really short, because I need to calm down. 1) Nate, I know your intentions where good. I am really sorry this shit has to happen to you. 2) Laura Harrison AKA Chickey, fuck you. No one ever asked me for a donation at the show. I cant believe you would trash your own bf's band. 4) Anonymous, fuck you too. Go run and praise your worthless DEAD god. God has NOTHING to do with this. |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 8:46pm - Handinjury NLI ""] anonymous said:Here is my last word on the subject. Anyone who is so intolerant to attack my religious beliefs is unworthy of my time and energy. I am glad to be an American!!! You should have never brought it up, it has no relevance to this subject. And thats why I attack. I am proud to be an american also, now go fuck yourself. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 8:46pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] What happened to #3? I lost my Mouth of the Architect show at DeeDees because of the article mentioning the shirt I wore and I think the reporter who called DeeDees asked them why they let a band sell such shirts. I guess I deserve that but the shirt was pretty funny. Laura is a selfish cunt, in my opinion. |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 8:53pm - Handinjury NLI ""] I was told that laura and chickie are the same person. But i forgot to fix the numbering. And yes the shirt was awfull, but i got a good laugh. |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 8:53pm - DomesticTerror ""] hmmm...isn't this what happened with Dans Spitz and Anthrax? |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 8:55pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] Laura and Chickie are the same person, Jim Ash's girlfriend. She doesn't work for the Red Cross, is just someone who made her own website (bands for relief) which was about bands and promoters donating money to the red cross. I could do the same exact thing right now, there was nothing very official about it, as far as I understand it. |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 9:03pm - DomesticTerror ""] anonymous, please check this out. i'm trying to help you. http://www.meadowhaven.org/ |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 9:09pm - DomesticTerror ""] What is a cult? The definition of a “cult” is elusive and controversial. Webster’s dictionary defines a cult in several different ways: “A system of religious worship or ritual” “A quasi-religious group, often living in a colony, with a charismatic leader who indoctrinates members with unorthodox or extremist views, practices, or beliefs.” It is a group operating under the second definition above that can become totalistic, high-controlling, and abusive to its members. Robert J. Lifton, in his seminal work on thought-reform, Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism, proposed the following 8 characteristics of a high-control group . Milieu Control - Control of communication both from without and within the group environment, resulting in a significant degree of isolation from the surrounding society. Includes other techniques to restrict members' contact with outside world and to be able to make critical, rational judgments about information: overwork, busy-ness, multiple lengthy meetings, etc. Mystical Manipulation - The claim of divine authority or spiritual advancement that allows the leader to reinterpret events as he or she wishes, or make prophecies or pronouncements at will, all for the purpose of controlling group members. Demand for Purity - The world is viewed as black and white and group members are constantly exhorted to strive for perfection. Consequently, guilt and shame are common and powerful control devices. The Cult of Confession - Serious (and often not so serious) sins, as defined by the group, are to be confessed, either privately to a personal monitor or publicly to the group at large. The "Sacred Science" - The doctrine of the group is considered to be the ultimate Truth, beyond all questioning or disputing. The leader of the group is likewise above criticism as the spokesperson for God on earth. Loading the Language - The group develops a jargon in many ways unique to itself, often not understandable to outsiders. This jargon consists of numerous words and phrases which the members understand (or think they do), but which really act to dull one's ability to engage in critical thinking. Doctrine over Person - The personal experiences of the group members are subordinated to the "Truth" held by the group -- apparently contrary experiences must be denied or re-interpreted to fit the doctrine of the group. The doctrine is always more important than the individual. Dispensing of Existence - The group arrogates to itself the prerogative to decide who has the right to exist and who does not. Usually held non-literally, this means that those outside the group are unspiritual, worldly, satanic, "unconscious," or whatever, and that they must be converted to the ideas of the group or they will be lost. If they refuse to join the group, then they must be rejected by the group members, even if they are family members. In rare cases this concept gives the group the right to terminate the outsider's life. Why does it matter? ...Impact of Cults More important than the exact definition, however, is the damage that can be done to those in an abusive group. According to a study performed by Michael Langone, Ph.D., of the American Family Foundation (AFF), some of the symptoms suffered by former members are (follow this link for a more detailed presentation of Langone's study): Anxiety, fear, and worry Feelings of anger toward the group leaders Mental confusion Vivid flashbacks to the group experience Low self-confidence Indecisiveness Difficulty concentrating Loneliness Compulsive need to talk about the group Despair, hopelessness, and helplessness Difficulty thinking critically Guilt about things done while in the group Troubled by thoughts that can't be gotten rid of "Floating" among very different states of mind Conflicts with loved ones & family A longing to restore certain aspects of group Sleeplessness Nightmares Difficulty finding suitable employment Fear of physical harm by the group Medical ills In addition to these symptoms, former members often find themselves having difficulty functioning, much less thriving, within a society that has changed and evolved during their time in the cult. Simple tasks like opening a bank account, going to the grocery store, or going to the doctor are overwhelming and confusing. All of these issues add stress and anxiety to the daily routine of life for the former member. Without healing, basic needs such as employment, relationships, and physical and mental health remain elusive as the cult identity continues to operate under the surface. The Prognosis: If the former members do not receive counseling from someone who understands their experience in a thought-reform environment, they will often find themselves seeking something that mirrors the cult environment. If they do receive quality counseling in the areas of trauma recovery and thought reform, chances are good that they will be able to not only recover their pre-cult identity, but learn and grow from their experience in the group. In addition, relationships that were lost or destroyed because of the cult can be healed and rebuilt. While recovery is not easy, the prognosis is good for those who receive help. For more information on resources for ex-members, please visit MeadowHaven's Resources page. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 23,2005 8:50pm - BornSoVile ""] GOOD THING THE MUTILATED/SOLIDIFICATION SHOW WASN'T CANCELLED CAUSE IT ALMOST WAS, I WOULD HAVE BE RIPSHIT. |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 23,2005 9:06pm - RustedAngel ""] BornSoVile said:GOOD THING THE MUTILATED/SOLIDIFICATION SHOW WASN'T CANCELLED CAUSE IT ALMOST WAS, I WOULD HAVE BE RIPSHIT. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 6,2014 6:57pm - the_reverend ""] hm... |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 6,2014 11:01pm - Snowden NLI ""] Is this the story behind the "Fuck Jim Ash and his ape-faced girlfriend" sticker on the fridge in the Grief practice space? You learn something every day. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 6,2014 11:59pm - the_reverend ""] yep |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 7,2014 11:19am - largefreakatzero ""] The "Fuck Hurricane Victims" shirts was a master-stroke of IRL trolling. |
| __________________________________________________ [Jan 7,2014 11:57am - RTTP DEPARTMENT OF FIRE ""] only "fuck the fire department fest" is real |
| _____________________________ [Jan 7,2014 3:14pm - Yeti ""] ah the glory days. so many good posters have gone. |
| _______________________________________________________ [Jan 7,2014 3:39pm - RTTP DEPARTMENT OF GLORY DAYS ""] Joe/NotCommon said:It's too bad stuff like this can't happen to terrible bands like Sacreligion. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 7,2014 5:29pm - Yeti ""] hahahaha glory days indeed. |