News: GI Resistance Against Iraq War Grows[views:4242][posts:24][poll! to vote:click here] to view:click here] _____________________________________ [Aug 17,2006 1:46pm - HailTheLeaf ""] From http://www.alternet.org/asoldierspeaks/40431/ A growing number of Iraq war combat vets are resisting orders, going to jail, or going AWOL -- and they want to talk about why. Army tank driver Clifton Hicks says the military presence in Iraq is clearly not making a difference for the Iraqi people. "We didn't care about Iraqis, because we were conditioned to hate them." He says he knows from experience that Lieutenant Watada's belief that the war is illegal and immoral is the correct position. Hicks is haunted by his activity in Iraq. He talks about what he calls the "wedding party incident." His unit was on patrol when they heard shooting between US armed forces and what they thought were Iraqi insurgents. While Hicks prepared to go house to house in search of the enemy, what he discovered instead was a wedding. Some of the men had been shooting rifles into the air, as is customary during family parties and celebrations. Three people from the wedding were shot; a 6-year-old girl was killed. When the platoon sergeant called the command center to report the incident, "all they said to us was 'Charlie Mike,' a stupid Army acronym for continue mission." No one spoke of the incident, and it was like it never happened. "What struck me most was just how callous we had become. I didn't even care myself. Sure some Iraqi kid had been killed; big deal. It's like seeing a dead dog on the side of the road." Hicks said he had no thoughts of shame or regret, no thoughts of the girl's mother or friends. "We hated them and were happy to have killed one. For as long as I can remember I've been taught to fear and mistrust Arabs. That's how those kids on the news were able to rape the 14-year-old girl, shoot her in the face, and kill her whole family. They just didn't care, they still don't care, they couldn't make themselves care if they tried. Every soldier on the frontlines is capable of that or worse." |
| _______________________________ [Aug 17,2006 2:12pm - hoser ""] Oh boy.....Altershit.com is really reaching this time. The opinions and views of 1 soldier do not constitute the headline to this article. "A growing number" my ass. More of Hail the Leafs Liberal propaganda. Most idiotic thing that Alternet has tried to report yet. I'll just drop it right now and go away. I spent 6 years of my life in the Marine Corps. and never heard anything like this from a single Marine or Army soldier. Nobody likes war....and the images will haunt anyone for a lifetime, but we don't cry about it to some shithead NON-NEWS agency. Alternet is always reaching....and that's why they'll never be a real news outlet of any sort. Too bad Hail the Leaf is not smart enough to follow her own nose instead of tailgating the opinions of some moronic non-news agency. |
| _______________________________ [Aug 17,2006 2:14pm - hoser ""] "A growing number of Iraq war combat vets are resisting orders, going to jail, or going AWOL -- and they want to talk about why." I would like to see who "they" are in this quote. 1 guy.....big deal. More bullshit. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....and NOBODY except some uneducated idiot still calls US Forces "GI's" anymore.....that died after Korea. These clowns watch too much T.V. |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 17,2006 2:34pm - HailTheLeaf ""] If you'd bothered to read the article, you'd see quotes from several Iraq war vets. |
| ____________________________________________ [Aug 17,2006 3:53pm - Man_of_the_Century ""] All that article does is explain the obious, people don't like going to war. Every war has people that are AWOL, flee to another country, refuse to take orders, ect. But I will say that all these people that to those things should get in trouble. They signed up to do a job (there wasn't a draft, so those people knew what they were getting into) and then failed to do it. Screw them. |
| _______________________________ [Aug 17,2006 4:42pm - hoser ""] Dear Moron, I didn't bother to read the article because it is all bogus. Alternet does whatever they can, much like yourself....to try and poke and prod at anything that they believe to be unrighteous in their opinions. Alternet is not a news source, you need to learn that. I am a veteran of that sandbox and know what horrific shit happens there. It's war, dumbass. Does Alternet report quotes from Marines, Sailors, Soldiers, Flyboys that believe in what they are doing? Does Alternet point at the improvements that we and the coalition have made? NO...why? Because Alternet only reports their opinion of what is happening over there. They don't know shit. Do they have a correspondant on the ground over there? Alternet is hardly a credible source of anything. My buddies that are still in and on their 2nd tours over there would laugh you out of your chair if they read this. Just stay here and be comfortable. Don't try to oppose or defend something that you know absolutely nothing about. |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 17,2006 4:46pm - CaptainCleanoff ""] several Iraq war vets does not constitute alot. |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 18,2006 12:34pm - HailTheLeaf ""] hoser said:Dear Moron, I didn't bother to read the article because it is all bogus. Alternet does whatever they can, much like yourself....to try and poke and prod at anything that they believe to be unrighteous in their opinions. Alternet is not a news source, you need to learn that. I am a veteran of that sandbox and know what horrific shit happens there. It's war, dumbass. Does Alternet report quotes from Marines, Sailors, Soldiers, Flyboys that believe in what they are doing? Does Alternet point at the improvements that we and the coalition have made? NO...why? Because Alternet only reports their opinion of what is happening over there. They don't know shit. Do they have a correspondant on the ground over there? Alternet is hardly a credible source of anything. My buddies that are still in and on their 2nd tours over there would laugh you out of your chair if they read this. Just stay here and be comfortable. Don't try to oppose or defend something that you know absolutely nothing about. If they aren't a credible news source then why can't you refute any of their articles with credible sources? Why do you bother replying to a topic when you know nothing about the article being referenced? Improvments that we've made? You've gotta be fucking kidding me...just what improvements hae been made? Maybe if there actually were any then alternative news sources could report on them. From what I've seen, here in reality, going into Iraq hasn't improved anything for anybody, except those in Halliburton and the oil industry. |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 18,2006 12:41pm - Beaver McD ""] Do you just come here and post war and government related stuff? Because that's all I've ever seen you do |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 18,2006 1:09pm - CaptainCleanoff ""] Beaver McD said:Do you just come here and post war and government related stuff? Because that's all I've ever seen you do Nope, that is all it does. Unless it advertises seabeast shows, heh. |
| ____________________________________________ [Aug 18,2006 1:15pm - Man_of_the_Century ""] HailTheLeaf said:If they aren't a credible news source then why can't you refute any of their articles with credible sources? Why do you bother replying to a topic when you know nothing about the article being referenced? Improvments that we've made? You've gotta be fucking kidding me...just what improvements hae been made? Maybe if there actually were any then alternative news sources could report on them. From what I've seen, here in reality, going into Iraq hasn't improved anything for anybody, except those in Halliburton and the oil industry. All the stuff that you post from alternet has been refuted countless times by people here. You just ignore it and act like it never happened (similar to alternet). |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 18,2006 1:18pm - sacreligion ""] im convinced nobody knows anything about anything that's my stance |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 18,2006 1:52pm - HailTheLeaf ""] Man_of_the_Century said:HailTheLeaf said:If they aren't a credible news source then why can't you refute any of their articles with credible sources? Why do you bother replying to a topic when you know nothing about the article being referenced? Improvments that we've made? You've gotta be fucking kidding me...just what improvements hae been made? Maybe if there actually were any then alternative news sources could report on them. From what I've seen, here in reality, going into Iraq hasn't improved anything for anybody, except those in Halliburton and the oil industry. All the stuff that you post from alternet has been refuted countless times by people here. You just ignore it and act like it never happened (similar to alternet). Insulting the person who posts the article and refuting the article with facts are 2 different things |
| ____________________________________________ [Aug 18,2006 2:02pm - Man_of_the_Century ""] Go take a look at some of the old posts. I provided facts each time I refuted something. |
| ____________________________________________ [Aug 18,2006 2:08pm - Man_of_the_Century ""] Insulting is just a fun bonus. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 18,2006 5:31pm - PatMeebles ""] It's funny, because HTL keeps saying that Hoser hasn't provided any facts, yet if a news article did mention troops' support for the war, people like Hoser would be their source in the first place. So the question is, HTL, why are you listening to filtered second-hand sources when you can get first-hand sources lik Hoser? Are you ignoring first-hand sources just because it goes against your pre-conceived notions of how the world works? |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 18,2006 5:56pm - CaptainCleanoff ""] PatMeebles said:It's funny, because HTL keeps saying that Hoser hasn't provided any facts, yet if a news article did mention troops' support for the war, people like Hoser would be their source in the first place. So the question is, HTL, why are you listening to filtered second-hand sources when you can get first-hand sources lik Hoser? Are you ignoring first-hand sources just because it goes against your pre-conceived notions of how the world works? Pwned again! good point man. You know, If George Bush found a cure for AIDS and world hunger she would still find a reason in it to complain and bash it. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 18,2006 6:26pm - Hoser_NLI ""] I'm not protecting George Bush or trying to justify the war in Iraq. I can tell you that war sucks, and that Iraq isn't worth 1 more American life. I will also agree with you on your stance that our invasion of Iraq wasn't just based on WMD's. I think that we attacked Iraq to 1.) Settle an old score and 2.) Oil. I also believe that the true reasons for our invasion are reasons that we'll never truly know. I've had friends die and it sucks...so don't think that I'm supportive of war in any way. I believe that war should be a last ditch effort to either protect your own land, or to protect the better welfare of the masses. Iraq, I believe held neither of these. I really only get pissed off when people bring the troops into question. We as troops have pledged our lives to the defense of this nation against all enemies foreign and domestic. We pledged our allegiance to whatever mission that our Cammander in Chief believes is justifiable and "the right thing to do." These idiots weren't drafted...they volunteered and now they are unhappy with that decision. For any troops to go whining about the war to some alternative "news" source is pure bullshit....or these assholes are pussies and I wouldn't want to fight beside them anyway. 2% OF ANY BAG FULL OF SOMETHING IS ALWAYS SHIT.....troops alike. Now for my war on you HTL.... I get sick of your leftie propaganda being spread all over a website full of impressionable kids. The last thing that we need is a bunch of lefty douchebags with no real opinion of their own spreading your poison. You have the right to free speech and I'm not asking you to cease and desist. However, I also have the right to refute your posts and label them bullshit. Hell, troops that didn't cry about war died to give us that right. We may as well use it. Try enjoying being American for a while and you'll find that it's a pretty tasty lifestyle that most anyone worldwide would kill to have....hence our immigration issues. "Get busy livin' or get busy dyin'." |
| __________________________________ [Aug 18,2006 6:58pm - powerkok ""] pwnt. Hoser is WAY smarter than he'll have you believe. One of the smartest people Ive ever met, and living all over this sweet ass country, I've known alot of different people. As for refuting the bs.....that is like asking someone to refute 'who's on first'. I would listen more to the great folks that have been there, drew, and lost blood there, before ANY media source. I still do not believe that so many people believe ANYTHING reported by a news source. Unless of course it is the status of American Idol or any other reality television Shit pile. |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 19,2006 5:00pm - HailTheLeaf ""] PatMeebles said:It's funny, because HTL keeps saying that Hoser hasn't provided any facts, yet if a news article did mention troops' support for the war, people like Hoser would be their source in the first place. So the question is, HTL, why are you listening to filtered second-hand sources when you can get first-hand sources lik Hoser? Are you ignoring first-hand sources just because it goes against your pre-conceived notions of how the world works? Hoser would only be one source, and since he's a douchebag I thought I'd give the military the benefit of the doubt and look for other sources. Hoser_NLI said:I'm not protecting George Bush or trying to justify the war in Iraq. I can tell you that war sucks, and that Iraq isn't worth 1 more American life. I will also agree with you on your stance that our invasion of Iraq wasn't just based on WMD's. I think that we attacked Iraq to 1.) Settle an old score and 2.) Oil. I also believe that the true reasons for our invasion are reasons that we'll never truly know. I've had friends die and it sucks...so don't think that I'm supportive of war in any way. I believe that war should be a last ditch effort to either protect your own land, or to protect the better welfare of the masses. Iraq, I believe held neither of these. I really only get pissed off when people bring the troops into question. We as troops have pledged our lives to the defense of this nation against all enemies foreign and domestic. We pledged our allegiance to whatever mission that our Cammander in Chief believes is justifiable and "the right thing to do." These idiots weren't drafted...they volunteered and now they are unhappy with that decision. For any troops to go whining about the war to some alternative "news" source is pure bullshit....or these assholes are pussies and I wouldn't want to fight beside them anyway. 2% OF ANY BAG FULL OF SOMETHING IS ALWAYS SHIT.....troops alike. Hoser, if the Iraq war isn't worth one American life, then why call the troops who stand up and refuse to participate in it any longer assholes and pussies? Why blindly follow a leader you know is wrong? Bush also believes mass murder and torture are justifiable, so that's an excuse to go along with it? |
| _______________________________ [Aug 20,2006 1:01am - Hoser ""] I'm not defending Bush here. I could honestly give a shit about him. I'm defending the honor of the troops that you have inadvertantly called cowards and touchy-feely pussies by this whole idiotic post. I'm also battling that moronic alternet website that you seem to take as the word of God. Stop being a slave to that highly mis-informed and completely erroneous website. Jeezus try looking up porn or something....anything but that one-sided shitpile of a website. Have more fun on the internet and for God's sake loosen up a little.....this militaristic hippy left wing bullshit has engulfed you to the point of facism. Now fucking stop already.....for the love of God or hemp or dreadlocks or whatever the fuck it is that you hippies believe in. Man......If you don't fuck dudes I feel sorry for you.....but you need to get laid really badly.....and Lesbian sex does not constitute getting laid no matter how much the dikes say that getting fingered, licked and fisted is "fucking." It's not. "Fucking" requires a dick thrusting a vagina or it's not fucking....bottom line. Now take the rest of the day after you read this and go seek the cock.....it will pleasure you and keep you off of stupid websites. |
| _______________________________ [Aug 20,2006 1:04am - Hoser ""] "Bush also believes mass murder and torture are justifiable" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Also, that has to be one of the dumbest things that you have ever said....almost. Of course he doesn't believe that......stop smoking so much pot.....yer paranoid as all Hell. Holy shit......you make me feel like I'm the sane person here. |
| ________________________________________ [Aug 20,2006 11:17am - hung_to_bleed ""] Hoser said: I'm also battling that moronic alternet website that you seem to take as the word of God. I think her irrational anti American rants stem from the fact that she is pissed that she looks more like a dude than most of us here. As for the alternet nonsense, no one actually reads that shit and is like "ohh my god, no way, I can't believe it - I'VE BEEN WRONG ALL ALONG" - it's total red commie liberal propaganda and is nothing more than red meat for the converted. |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 20,2006 11:38am - powerkok ""] "Fucking" requires a dick thrusting a vagina or it's not fucking....bottom line. HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 20,2006 6:02pm - infoterror ""] SEND THE ILLEGAL ALIENS TO IRAQ |