President Barak H. Obama[views:27250][posts:284]_______________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 12:22pm - Hungtableed ""] I didn't vote for him but he is now my president and I support him. He's got a tough job ahead of him. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 12:23pm - the_reverend ""] did Jay Severin just post this? |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 12:25pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] COMMIE FREEDOM-HATER!!! LOL |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 12:26pm - Hungtableed ""] nope. I can't remember the last time I listened to talk radio. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 12:33pm - william ""] say what you want about him...at least he has intelligence unlike his predecessor. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 12:33pm - Conservationist ""] Another corrupt friend of the oligarchs. Kind of like that Clinton guy. I trusted Jimmy Carter. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 12:44pm - sxealex ""] WHATS OUT HES THE ANTICHRIST!!! DIDNT YOU WATCH THE HISTORY CHANNEL!! lol |
| __________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 12:46pm - W3 nli ""] bonghits dooder, bonghits when watching the history channel. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 12:53pm - timma ""] You know, I just saw this great movie on AMC. Oh wait, that was Obama talking about Patriots sitting by a frozen river by a campfire. |
| _______________________________ [Jan 20,2009 12:54pm - Yeti ""] that was a good speech. i hope he is more than just a good speaker. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 12:57pm - timma ""] I like Obama, and I think he's a major upgrade from Bush. The man sure can give a speech. BUT, I heard a whole lot about America's problems and how we've gotten through tough times before, and absolutely nothing about the plans to fix them. |
| _______________________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 12:57pm - frost eclipse satan ""] america is a cradle of filth |
| _______________________________ [Jan 20,2009 12:59pm - Yeti ""] timma said:I like Obama, and I think he's a major upgrade from Bush. The man sure can give a speech. BUT, I heard a whole lot about America's problems and how we've gotten through tough times before, and absolutely nothing about the plans to fix them. i think that was a smart move. everyone wants to hear the tactics to solve the problems but then he'd have all of these expectations to live up to. his speech was more or less an inspirational one stating that things can get better with hard work. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 1:00pm - W3 nli ""] er ah it's not what your ah cuntry can blow you its er ah how hard you can blow your cuntry |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 1:12pm - AWOL nli ""] gotta admit, I was worried when he screwed up the 'repeat after me' part not once, but twice. the speech helped him save face though |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 1:15pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] I seriously hope he's the Antichrist. TV would be awesome for a few years. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 1:17pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] AWOL%20nli said:gotta admit, I was worried when he screwed up the 'repeat after me' part not once, but twice. the speech helped him save face though once again it was because the justice of the peace screwed it up. barack had it memorized correctly. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 1:53pm - SkinSandwich ""] Hitler was a great speaker too. :( |
| _____________________________ [Jan 20,2009 1:56pm - pam ""] The crowd were dicks to Bush. I hate that asshole but I thought that was kinda lame. I did laugh at the "NA NA NA NA HEY HEY HEY GOODBYE" singalong though. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 2:00pm - SkinSandwich ""] Yeah, hate Bush or not, that was lame. You have to give a "little respect" just for the soul purpose of being the prez I guess. Sometimes I actually felt a little bad for the redneck when he was in office. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 20,2009 2:06pm - pam ""] Then again I suppose if you came in being pelted with eggs, you shouldn't expect much going out. I'm surprised no one hit "executive one" with eggs. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 2:14pm - zyklon ""] Best luck to our new president, hopefully we get out of this economic mess soon. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 2:18pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] blame it on cheney |
| ___________________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 2:19pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] also i thought it was funny that my alarm clock woke me up with talk radio saying.. "KARL ROVE? HE IS THE ANTICHRIST!" that resonated in my head for the whole morning. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 20,2009 2:22pm - pam ""] zyklon said:Best luck to our new president, hopefully we get out of this economic mess soon. You and me both. Husband just got laid off. We're F'd in the A. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 2:23pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] pam said: zyklon said:Best luck to our new president, hopefully we get out of this economic mess soon. You and me both. Husband just got laid off. We're F'd in the A. aw shit. i'm sorry to hear that. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 20,2009 2:26pm - pam ""] FuckIsMySignature said: pam said: zyklon said:Best luck to our new president, hopefully we get out of this economic mess soon. You and me both. Husband just got laid off. We're F'd in the A. aw shit. i'm sorry to hear that. Yeah me too. Nothing like losing your income with 2 kids and rent. Suck. We're posting resumes, I might have picked up some photo assisting jobs, hopefully we'll bounce back. We always do somehow. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 2:29pm - arilliusbm ""] file for unemployment immediately |
| _____________________________ [Jan 20,2009 2:30pm - pam ""] arilliusbm said:file for unemployment immediately Can't. He's a contractor, which means he gets a 1099, which means no unemployment. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 2:31pm - arilliusbm ""] Ah, shit. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 20,2009 2:34pm - pam ""] Yeah. Like I said...F'd in the A. He didn't even just get laid off, boss' whole company is going under. Epic fail. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 2:35pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] buckle up this rides gettin bumpy |
| __________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 3:31pm - Setenia ""] For all the black haters and racist here, how does it feel to be under Obama? Please, just please feel free to let us know how you feel. Suckas! |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 3:34pm - Lamp nli ""] Anyone know of any white pride message boards that I can lurk for hilarity right now? |
| _________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 3:35pm - W3 nli ""] Lamp%20nli said:Anyone know of any white pride message boards that I can lurk for hilarity right now? http://www.returntothepit.com |
| _______________________________ [Jan 20,2009 3:35pm - Seth ""] hey as long as he does his f'n job and creates a good economy..I dont care ! |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 3:35pm - SkinSandwich ""] Setenia said:For all the black haters and racist here, how does it feel to be under Obama? Please, just please feel free to let us know how you feel. Suckas! Does not bother me as I am not "under him" or "influenced" by him in any way so go fuck yourself you simpleton. Unlike some, I think for myself. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 3:37pm - DYA / NLI ""] W3%20nli said: Lamp%20nli said:Anyone know of any white pride message boards that I can lurk for hilarity right now? http://www.returntothepit.com win |
| ________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 3:37pm - zyklon ""] pam said:Yeah. Like I said...F'd in the A. He didn't even just get laid off, boss' whole company is going under. Epic fail. Sorry to hear that Pam |
| _____________________________ [Jan 20,2009 3:40pm - pam ""] zyklon said: pam said:Yeah. Like I said...F'd in the A. He didn't even just get laid off, boss' whole company is going under. Epic fail. Sorry to hear that Pam Thanks dude. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 3:40pm - the_reverend ""] [img] |
| ________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 3:41pm - zyklon ""] Setenia said:For all the black haters and racist here, how does it feel to be under Obama? Please, just please feel free to let us know how you feel. Suckas! Dude don't start shit here, ur an idiot for saying that. If ur a nigga just post about how u feel about our new president, don't start shit |
| ________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 3:49pm - Seth ""] zyklon said: Setenia said:For all the black haters and racist here, how does it feel to be under Obama? Please, just please feel free to let us know how you feel. Suckas! Dude don't start shit here, ur an idiot for saying that. If ur a nigga just post about how u feel about our new president, don't start shit Why is he a idiot, where on this board, they hate blacks, jews, and middleeastern shit.. Why stop now? I know there is shit to be said sooner or later. I will start, maybe this man/Obama will get shit done and then maybe we all wont lose our jobs. Already at my work we are not getting any raises this year, due to fucken bush and the shit happening in the US. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 3:54pm - zyklon ""] I know in this board they talk shit about everyone. I said he's an idiot because he's starting shit, I'm on nobody's side here. One of the reasons I always told hoser he was an idiot is because he loved starting shit and being a red neck |
| ___________________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 3:57pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] FIGHT THE GOVERNMENT OR YOU ARE A PUSSY |
| ________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 3:58pm - Seth ""] zyklon said:I know in this board they talk shit about everyone. I said he's an idiot because he's starting shit, I'm on nobody's side here. One of the reasons I always told hoser he was an idiot is because he loved starting shit and being a red neck Cool... :yoda: |
| ________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 4:35pm - zyklon ""] Last Samurai actually |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 6:03pm - arilliusbm ""] haha look at what Hugo Chavez said: VENEZUELA President Hugo Chavez "Hopefully the arrival of a new president will mark a real change in relations between the United States and the countries of the Third World, one of respect for sovereignty and the freedom of the people. But nobody here should be under any illusions. This is the North American Empire we are talking about. " North American Empire.. haha Iran's comment was nothing but a "we'll wait and see what he does before we say anything" |
| ___________________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 6:28pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] Ha i just submitted an email to the president through his new website. now... the waiting game. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 6:37pm - Lamp nli ""] The true history making moment will be when Obama becomes the first black man to take a dump in the master bedroom of the White House. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 6:39pm - phil rizzuto ""] or when he fucks your girlfriend with his big fat pecker. |
| _______________________________ [Jan 20,2009 6:46pm - tylor ""] rirruto? |
| __________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 6:46pm - niccolai ""] I'm pretty pissed that Obama STILL hasn't been assasinated. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 20,2009 6:57pm - pam ""] [img] |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 7:08pm - Conservationist ""] Lamp%20nli said:Anyone know of any white pride message boards that I can lurk for hilarity right now? They're all pro-Obama http://www.stormfront.org/ |
| __________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 7:14pm - niccolai ""] Over 100 million dollars was spent on this Innauguration. How many people are unemployed? What do our soldiers get paid? rediculous. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 7:18pm - W3 nli ""] READY [img] bennyhillifier [img] [img] bennyhillifier YOU'VE BEEN WARNED! |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 20,2009 10:43pm - Hungtableed ""] Who am I, I ask, to speak because I voted for him, but, G. W. IS NO LONGER OUR PRESIDENT. That motherfucker's helicopter should have taken him straight to the nearest super-max prison. I should have voted for my fucking cat. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 21,2009 10:36am - niccolai ""] And what's the difference between bush and Obama? Just wondering... |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 21,2009 10:41am - arilliusbm ""] an IQ of about 100 |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 21,2009 10:50am - dreadkill ""] phil%20rizzuto said:or when he fucks your girlfriend with his big fat pecker.hahahahaha |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 21,2009 10:51am - dreadkill ""] Lamp%20nli said:The true history making moment will be when Obama becomes the first black man to take a dump in the master bedroom of the White House.takin' a dump or chumpin' a lump on another nigga's rump? that was for MFR |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 21,2009 10:52am - dreadkill ""] tylor said:rirruto?those are z's |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 21,2009 11:07am - niccolai ""] arilliusbm said:an IQ of about 100 Strange. they are drastically intelectually ranging. Yet they vote the same on every political issue, and have the same stance on practically everything. We are looking at 4 more years of Bush, but at least the speaches will sound prettier. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 21,2009 11:08am - niccolai ""] dreadkill said: Lamp%20nli said:The true history making moment will be when Obama becomes the first black man to take a dump in the master bedroom of the White House.takin' a dump or chumpin' a lump on another nigga's rump? that was for MFR gb2lcbk newfag. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 21,2009 11:12am - arilliusbm ""] politicians are politicians |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 21,2009 11:18am - dreadkill ""] niccolai said: dreadkill said: Lamp%20nli said:The true history making moment will be when Obama becomes the first black man to take a dump in the master bedroom of the White House.takin' a dump or chumpin' a lump on another nigga's rump? that was for MFR gb2lcbk newfag.is chumpin a lump from your rap project? |
| _________________________________ [Jan 21,2009 11:30am - zyklon ""] niccolai said: arilliusbm said:an IQ of about 100 Strange. they are drastically intelectually ranging. Yet they vote the same on every political issue, and have the same stance on practically everything. We are looking at 4 more years of Bush, but at least the speaches will sound prettier. I guess nikko is still mad that his boy lost. The guy has been in office one fucking day. at least give him the benefit of a doubt see what he can do and if after 4 years is the same shit then you can talk shit about him |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 21,2009 12:11pm - Conservationist ""] What SAT score does it take to get into Harvard as a white or Asian kid? About 1450, by the old score. What SAT score does it take to get into Harvard as a black kid? About 1000. Who's the coddled infant? |
| _________________________________ [Jan 21,2009 12:48pm - zyklon ""] :spineyes: |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 21,2009 1:36pm - AndrewBastard ""] He just laid the smack down on lobbyists... |
| ______________________________ [Jan 21,2009 2:08pm - BSV ""] shutting down gitmo... |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 21,2009 3:57pm - boblovesmusic ""] [img] |
| ___________________________________________ [Jan 21,2009 4:36pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] ha Barack Obama appears 24 times on CNNs front page. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 21,2009 5:35pm - zyklon ""] He's the fucking man! |
| _________________________________ [Jan 21,2009 5:41pm - W3 nli ""] boblovesmusic said:[img] where's his american flag pin, that commie pinko. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 21,2009 6:24pm - niccolai ""] zyklon said: niccolai said: arilliusbm said:an IQ of about 100 Strange. they are drastically intelectually ranging. Yet they vote the same on every political issue, and have the same stance on practically everything. We are looking at 4 more years of Bush, but at least the speaches will sound prettier. I guess nikko is still mad that his boy lost. The guy has been in office one fucking day. at least give him the benefit of a doubt see what he can do and if after 4 years is the same shit then you can talk shit about him I am still pissed that my boy lost. I don't haveto give him the benefit of the doubt because I know what he votes for and I know what he's about. He's going to increase military spending, increase the empire, support israel, destroy your dollar, and has no plans to pay the national deficit. So wait.. what was the difference between him and bush again? |
| ___________________________________________ [Jan 21,2009 6:30pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] he's black. DUH. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 21,2009 6:52pm - porphyria ""] niccolai said: So wait.. what was the difference between him and bush again? The differences between McCain and Bush were far more similar than Obama/Bush. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 21,2009 6:54pm - niccolai ""] Like what, for example? Sources? How about we pull up a copy of Mccain's voting record next to Obama's and Bushes. I'll give a million dollars to anyone that can point out three instances where they voted differently on an important issue. he either voted with mccain/bush, or didn't vote at all. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 21,2009 7:13pm - Stupid U ""] niccolai said:Like what, for example? Sources? How about we pull up a copy of Mccain's voting record next to Obama's and Bushes. I'll give a million dollars to anyone that can point out three instances where they voted differently on an important issue. he either voted with mccain/bush, or didn't vote at all. You dont follow politics much do you? All politicians are not good but if they do a little good for the people and the country they are better then the others.. Simple! |
| __________________________________ [Jan 21,2009 7:20pm - niccolai ""] I don't see feeding the war machine, increasing spending, supporting Israel, and destroying our dollar as doing the country and it's people a favor. How about Ron Paul? What was so bad about him? |
| ________________________________________________ [Jan 21,2009 7:40pm - AfterWorldObliteration ""] Obama wishes he was all black. He tries to identify with them so much. He is the ultimate wigger. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 21,2009 8:56pm - MillenialKingdom ""] I voted for Ron Paul in the NH primary but honestly, Americans want someone who kisses their ass and has flowery speeches. The average American knows nothing about politics. |
| ______________________________ [Jan 21,2009 11:27pm - pam ""] Yes. Obama...just like Bush. RTTP FTW. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 21,2009 11:31pm - the_reverend ""] ron paul is awesome til someone like obama knocks up your daughter. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 12:10am - zyklon ""] niccolai said: zyklon said: niccolai said: arilliusbm said:an IQ of about 100 Strange. they are drastically intelectually ranging. Yet they vote the same on every political issue, and have the same stance on practically everything. We are looking at 4 more years of Bush, but at least the speaches will sound prettier. I guess nikko is still mad that his boy lost. The guy has been in office one fucking day. at least give him the benefit of a doubt see what he can do and if after 4 years is the same shit then you can talk shit about him I am still pissed that my boy lost. I don't haveto give him the benefit of the doubt because I know what he votes for and I know what he's about. He's going to increase military spending, increase the empire, support israel, destroy your dollar, and has no plans to pay the national deficit. So wait.. what was the difference between him and bush again? Wow so you know the President of the USA huh? I wish I knew him. How do you know he's gonna do all those things? You need to stop reading nonsense shit from racist sites. Do you have a problem with him because of his last name or because he's mulatto? just be honest |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 7:49am - Josh_Martin ""] niccolai said:So wait.. what was the difference between him and bush again? Abortion, privacy, the first ammendment, not a coke addict, Doesn't owe anything to the religous right, will pick far better supreme court justices, won't put "food on your family", doesn't make the US look a bunch of retarded children, doesn't care who you fuck, (do I need to continue...?) |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:43am - orgymf@work ""] timma said:I like Obama, and I think he's a major upgrade from Bush. i think this needs to stop. everyone keeps saying "he's better than bush" "he's a step up from W" etc. listen, that means nothing! saying better than bush is like saying thinner than me..most people are it's like saying "more comfortable than jerking off with sandpaper" most things are. see what i mean? |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:45am - orgymf@work ""] MillenialKingdom said:I voted for Ron Paul in the NH primary but honestly, Americans want someone who kisses their ass and has flowery speeches. The average American knows nothing about politics. what he said....except i'm not in NH |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:47am - dreadkill ""] "tastes better than shit" "smells better than shit" "shits better than bush" |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:49am - orgymf@work ""] dreadkill said:"tastes better than shit" "smells better than shit" "shits better than bush" my point exactly. better than bush is a meaningless phrase. unless you are saying "i like a shaved pussy better than bush" WOCKA WOCKA! |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:54am - dreadkill ""] i like the jerking off with sandpaper analogy |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 10:02am - porphyria ""] orgymf@work said: timma said:I like Obama, and I think he's a major upgrade from Bush. i think this needs to stop. everyone keeps saying "he's better than bush" "he's a step up from W" etc. listen, that means nothing! saying better than bush is like saying thinner than me..most people are it's like saying "more comfortable than jerking off with sandpaper" most things are. see what i mean? what's the matter saying something is a major upgrade or better than something else when it clearly IS? most people are thinner than you and probably get way hotter chicks. compared to bush, obama is like jerking off with ky jelly compared to sandpaper. you can keep the sandpaper, kthnx! |
| ____________________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 10:26am - FuckIsMySignature ""] I think barry was elected for the soul purpose of good P.R. for the rest of the world. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 10:27am - dreadkill ""] obama hasn't done anything yet. i doubt he'll be worse than bush, but let's not put him on mt. rushmore a couple days into the job. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 10:30am - porphyria ""] dreadkill said:obama hasn't done anything yet. i doubt he'll be worse than bush, but let's not put him on mt. rushmore a couple days into the job. agreed, we shall see what he does or doesn't do...but so far he hasn't made our country look like 'retarded children' as josh martin said, which is already an improvement in my book. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 10:32am - brian_dc ""] FuckIsMySignature said:I think barry was elected for the soul purpose of good P.R. for the rest of the world. Pretty much, yeah |
| ____________________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 10:33am - corpus_colloidal ""] porphyria said: orgymf@work said: timma said:I like Obama, and I think he's a major upgrade from Bush. i think this needs to stop. everyone keeps saying "he's better than bush" "he's a step up from W" etc. listen, that means nothing! saying better than bush is like saying thinner than me..most people are it's like saying "more comfortable than jerking off with sandpaper" most things are. see what i mean? what's the matter saying something is a major upgrade or better than something else when it clearly IS? most people are thinner than you and probably get way hotter chicks. compared to bush, obama is like jerking off with ky jelly compared to sandpaper. you can keep the sandpaper, kthnx! Spoken like a new school, bleeding heart dem. enjoi your bi-partisan beat off fest... When are people going to understand that the scaffolding of the American government it self, will never let one man (a president) deviate too far from the special interests of a very small percentage of the country. Especially considering whats at stake for this country with the foreign climate, and the current financial mess. The forefathers of this country were radical cats who had the fortitude to make actual change regardless of agenda. Yes! They were slave owners. Yes they drove the indians to the near corners of their own country (i.e: trail of tears etc..BUT not the point) whats more important is that these men were establishing a government that was clearly undefined and more malleable--thereby giving them the opportunity to make legit "change." If you equate change with something as 'mechanismal' as someone's diction, rhetoric and skin color then you may as well return to the flock. Meet the new boss...same as the old boss. My prediction for 09? No foreign attacks. No failures. Just a suffer fest, as was alluded to in his inaugural speech when he quoted G. Washington. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 10:46am - porphyria ""] okay...I'm an idiot, you are know all of politics and capable of predicting the future. |
| _______________________________ [Jan 22,2009 10:48am - Yeti ""] you're right, change is frightening to the average member of the herd. any kind of radical movement would probably be labeled as terrorism. |
| ____________________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 10:59am - corpus_colloidal ""] porphyria said:okay...I'm an idiot, you are know all of politics and capable of predicting the future. your not an idiot you just think your smarter than most and therefore your naturally a little defensive when alternate opinions are brought up cogently. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 11:21am - brian_dc ""] I just think we need more realism in our lives. Can't wait for the fuckfest to end. I hope things take a turn for the better, but I'm skeptical. And even if improvements are made, we're going to have at least a few very rough years ahead. That much was not contingent upon who was elected. Those wheels have been in motion for years. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 11:24am - arilliusbm ""] stock up on canned food, grab a couple of guns, build an underground shelter and bring numerous fap material. good to go. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 11:34am - porphyria ""] I don't think I'm smarter than most, I just stated my opinion same as you minus the political jabs. While I agree with your statement about our forefathers, I would think it's general knowledge that the president can only do so much and to a certain extent especially in the present. But to just imply that some degree of change will never be accomplished by any president just sounds pessimistic for the sake of being pessimistic. Like Limbaugh, hoping that Obama fails and accusing everyone of being sheep just because they show a ounce of hope for improvement, ect. I know you don't classify the fact that Obama is the first black president as legit change but I think it is, even if it's just a cosmetic one. If he were speaking 'ebonics' I'd be a bit worried. haha. We shall see what happens, I'd hope things at least get a little better for everyone elses sake and mine. Anyways, isn't the world suppose to end in 2012 according to the Mayans and Testament? |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 11:41am - arilliusbm ""] NWO IS COMING NWO IS COMING NWO IS COMING NWO IS COMING |
| _______________________________ [Jan 22,2009 12:39pm - Yeti ""] porphyria said:Anyways, isn't the world suppose to end in 2012 according to the Mayans and Testament? it was a rumor until Anaal Nathrakh wrote a song about it. now its official. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 12:41pm - porphyria ""] hahahah |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 12:48pm - orgymf@work ""] porphyria said: orgymf@work said: timma said:I like Obama, and I think he's a major upgrade from Bush. i think this needs to stop. everyone keeps saying "he's better than bush" "he's a step up from W" etc. listen, that means nothing! saying better than bush is like saying thinner than me..most people are it's like saying "more comfortable than jerking off with sandpaper" most things are. see what i mean? what's the matter saying something is a major upgrade or better than something else when it clearly IS? most people are thinner than you and probably get way hotter chicks. compared to bush, obama is like jerking off with ky jelly compared to sandpaper. you can keep the sandpaper, kthnx! i am sick of people stating that lame and obvious point. it's reptitive and obnoxious. that's what's wrong with it. the weight thing was just a comparrison....it's actually pretty easy for me to get girls i am attracted to since i am (and i always have been, even when i was 19 and 200 pounds lighter) attracted to 2 types of women. pale skinned, big tittied, well proportioned, overweight white girls and shy asian immigrants. almost every woman i have slept with fits into one of these two cattergories, including my current girl, who i have extremely happy with for 3 years now. so in short, i get girls that i consider gorgeous (regardless of anyone else's opinion of them), and my sex/love life is completely irrelavant to my analogy anyways. and we all know anything is better than bush....but obama is nothing but false hope....he's not as great as youliberal sissies all seem to think....you'll see |
| _______________________________ [Jan 22,2009 12:52pm - Yeti ""] argh. there is no fucking way to tell. this is his SECOND day in office, no one knows whether he is going to do well or is going to fail. lets give the guy a chance. and by chance i mean 4 years. he won't be able to fix or solve anything for at least 2. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 12:54pm - orgymf@work ""] Yeti said:argh. there is no fucking way to tell. this is his SECOND day in office, no one knows whether he is going to do well or is going to fail. lets give the guy a chance. and by chance i mean 4 years. he won't be able to fix or solve anything for at least 2. socialist agenda = fail see Fidel Castro end of thread |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 12:55pm - porphyria ""] seriously. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 12:56pm - porphyria ""] Socialist, how? |
| _______________________________ [Jan 22,2009 12:57pm - Yeti ""] again, 2 days. 2. i agree with the socialist aspect, but i doubt it will carry through for very long. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 12:58pm - orgymf@work ""] higher taxes for middle class, money funnel down to welfare recipients. hard working lower middle class, gets next to nothing (if anything at all) Castro style socialism |
| _______________________________ [Jan 22,2009 12:58pm - Yeti ""] and at that, what he is doing is only a ghost of socialism. |
| _______________________________ [Jan 22,2009 12:59pm - Yeti ""] i don't necessarily see that, he seems to be pushing for more middle class attention. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 12:59pm - porphyria ""] higher taxes for middle class? source? |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:00pm - orgymf@work ""] listen, guys, i just have no fucking faith in any politician. i would have been just as mad if mccain won. i do not trust any politician. i back Ron Paul, but he is a politician, so i still don't fully trust him |
| ______________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:01pm - Yeti ""] rightfully so, but i'd rather believe that he is going to do some good instead of assuming 2 days into his term that he is going to destroy everything. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:01pm - porphyria ""] yeah yeah, Ron Paul, we all know he's the dude to vote for if you want real change. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:01pm - orgymf@work ""] porphyria said:higher taxes for middle class? source? i rephrase....upper middle class......ya know, people who worked their whole life to get comfortable, but are not (and probably never will be) wealthy. middle class will get little to no help, same with lower middle class. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:02pm - orgymf@work ""] Yeti said:rightfully so, but i'd rather believe that he is going to do some good instead of assuming 2 days into his term that he is going to destroy everything. i firmly believe he will fuck up i sincerely hope to be proven wrong. i don't want him to fail, i want this country to thrive |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:03pm - porphyria ""] upper middle class = $250,000/year and up? who gives a shit... |
| ___________________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:03pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] define "fuck up" |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:03pm - orgymf@work ""] porphyria said:yeah yeah, Ron Paul, we all know he's the dude to vote for if you want real change. yeah, reverting to the gold standard, closing borders, no birthright citizenship, pulling the troops out of iraq, changing the tax system for the better. you're right....no changhe thetre smarmy liberal pissant |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:06pm - orgymf@work ""] FuckIsMySignature said:define "fuck up" giving too much to those who need to be motivated to work for themselves not helping lower middle class/working class putting troops that in iraq into afghanastan instead of bringing them home. as i said, look into castro....very similar promises were made when he went into power. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:07pm - porphyria ""] wouldn't that be asier said than done? sure, Ron Paul would promise all that change but according to corpus there's no way to achieve legit change since the president is a mere puppet with no grounds to actually change anything anymore. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:10pm - xmikex ""] FuckIsMySignature said:define "fuck up" [img] |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:10pm - orgymf@work ""] porphyria said:upper middle class = $250,000/year and up? who gives a shit... if you worked you're whole life to build you're own business to earn that much and were then told, "sorry, obama is gonna give HALF OF YOUR INCOME to people on welfare" you would give a shit mother fucker if you make 250,000 a year, and only take home 125,000 after taxes..... you'd be gettin jipped. taxing the wealthy (1 million post taxes in the bank with no assets unpaid for) for 50 % is absolutely justified......especially since most millionaires are just overpayed/overpraised entertainers, or genetic lottery winning estate inheritants |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:11pm - orgymf@work ""] porphyria said:wouldn't that be asier said than done? sure, Ron Paul would promise all that change but according to corpus there's no way to achieve legit change since the president is a mere puppet with no grounds to actually change anything anymore. fair enough....but his plans are still better than what i have heard obama promise |
| _______________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:11pm - aril ""] lol, sarah palin said the same stuff about joe the plumber |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:11pm - orgymf@work ""] xmikex said: FuckIsMySignature said:define "fuck up" [img] hahaha! amazing, mike, just amazing |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:12pm - porphyria ""] I'd be happy with $125,000 after taxes. kthnx. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:13pm - orgymf@work ""] porphyria said:I'd be happy with $125,000 after taxes. kthnx. you say that now, because it's alot more than you make....but if you earned twice that much, i don't think you would be to happy with your take home. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:13pm - porphyria ""] orgymf@work said: porphyria said:wouldn't that be asier said than done? sure, Ron Paul would promise all that change but according to corpus there's no way to achieve legit change since the president is a mere puppet with no grounds to actually change anything anymore. fair enough....but his plans are still better than what i have heard obama promise I agree somewhat but I don't see Ron Paul winning any elections anytime soon. |
| ______________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:13pm - Yeti ""] for his move to raise taxes on the wealthy, i agree and disagree. i agree because, well, they are rich and can afford it, but i disagree because that isn't the way this country was built. everyone has the right to make as much money as they want, and like Orgy said, someone who worked their ass off to get there shouldn't be treated differently. as much as i hate to say it, that's the way things should be treated based on the ideals of this country. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:14pm - porphyria ""] orgymf@work said: porphyria said:I'd be happy with $125,000 after taxes. kthnx. you say that now, because it's alot more than you make....but if you earned twice that much, i don't think you would be to happy with your take home. You could also say that maybe there is someone out there that earns a million dollars a year and only gets $500,000 of it after taxes. They're still damn well off regardless! |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:15pm - orgymf@work ""] porphyria said: orgymf@work said: porphyria said:wouldn't that be asier said than done? sure, Ron Paul would promise all that change but according to corpus there's no way to achieve legit change since the president is a mere puppet with no grounds to actually change anything anymore. fair enough....but his plans are still better than what i have heard obama promise I agree somewhat but I don't see Ron Paul winning any elections anytime soon. unfortunately, i do agree with you 100 percent on that one. he would never win, because most of america thinks he is crazy..... it doesn't help that Alex Jones (the conspiracy theorist nutjob) backs him |
| _______________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:15pm - aril ""] The Wheel weaves as the Wheel wills. Everything will fall into place. |
| ______________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:15pm - Yeti ""] but at the same time, you'd think that people who ARE rich wouldn't mind giving a bit more to help out the economy. but that's in a world where humans aren't human. |
| ______________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:16pm - Yeti ""] aril said:The Wheel weaves as the Wheel wills. Everything will fall into place. ka is like a wheel... |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:17pm - orgymf@work ""] porphyria said: orgymf@work said: porphyria said:I'd be happy with $125,000 after taxes. kthnx. you say that now, because it's alot more than you make....but if you earned twice that much, i don't think you would be to happy with your take home. You could also say that maybe there is someone out there that earns a million dollars a year and only gets $500,000 of it after taxes. They're still damn well off regardless! $500,000 would be damn well off. but $125,000 in this economy. if you got a wife, a house, a car, and kids. that is not well off at all......especially if you work hard to earn twice as much |
| ___________________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:17pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] Yeti said: aril said:The Wheel weaves as the Wheel wills. Everything will fall into place. ka is like a wheel... did you finish that goddamn book series yet? |
| ______________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:18pm - Yeti ""] haha i just finished Wolves of the Calla. i restarted from The Gunslinger to refresh, after a short break i'm on to The Song of Susannah. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:19pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] hurry up so discussions may commence lol |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:20pm - porphyria ""] If you're making $250,000 gross annually, you should be pretty damn comfortable. Just because you give up a bunch for taxes like everyone else doesn't mean that it's no longer the 'land of opportunity'. Try making that much money in Cambodia, ect. where it would be a luxury to even have a TV. |
| _______________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:22pm - aril ""] And meanwhile, sports stars are still making in excess of 20 million a year. Rich, poor, whathaveyou, money is worthless, has no value and is no longer backed up by anything. It's a piece of paper that is meaningless. We are controlled by the Federal Reserve (I work in the fahkin' building for Christ's sake) and are falsely convinced that money really does have value. It doesn't. Our WHOLE society is based off of money. You think the really rich give two shits about the average blue collar American? Fuck no. It's the last thing on their minds. In our eyes, Money = Power and Power = control. If you want to know the truth, understand that this whole financial situation is part of a master plan. It's not a conspiracy, it's the fucking truth. |
| ______________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:22pm - Yeti ""] no i agree, but that's not what we were built on. i'm not saying its right, i'm just saying that's what this country is about. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:23pm - porphyria ""] orgymf@work said: $500,000 would be damn well off. but $125,000 in this economy. if you got a wife, a house, a car, and kids. that is not well off at all......especially if you work hard to earn twice as much yeah, well then maybe people will chill down and realize they don't need a pimped Escalade and BMW, a 28 room house with 4 bathrooms in order to raise a family, especially if their priority is to raise a family. |
| ______________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:25pm - Yeti ""] living within one's means. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:27pm - orgymf@work ""] see, this another reason i hate all this comparrison shit....just because you have it better than others, don't mean you got it great. 125,000 a year 2,403 a week yeah, a nice check. but after your 2,000 a month mortgage (because that is the average mortgage on a house for a family of 5), groceries, utility bills, property taxes, and the barrage of other shit parents have to pay for....yeah, maybe he wouldn't be hurtin, but still not happy about how much more he would have if the president wasn't taking half of his fucking paycheck. especially when you consider the welfare system is flawed. too many people who get it do not need it/deserve it and too many people who do need/deserve it don't get it. |
| _______________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:28pm - aril ""] oh yeti, haha. that wasn't directed at your comment. just the whole entire thing. i'd like to agree on a number of these things, but honestly, the public (us) knows jack shit about the truth. we are lied to all the time. |
| ______________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:28pm - Yeti ""] Yeti said:living within one's means. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:31pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] right, people need to start being more financially responsible. |
| _______________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:31pm - aril ""] or.. maybe I'm just angry because I basically live paycheck-to-paycheck and hate the stupidity and greed of humankind |
| _______________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:36pm - aril ""] the basic necessities of life in today's world: shelter, food, clothing, and knowledge. we don't "need" : videogames,dvds,tvs,cars,cable,internet,15 guitars,alcohol,drugs, or anything else which your body doesn't require. best thing to do is to move to the wilderness and live off of the land. no money, no worries, nothing. just fresh air, animals to fap with, and food. sounds good to me. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:43pm - porphyria ""] yeah, and I don't necessarily think there's anything wrong with having all that stuff, that's what makes this country special because it's much easier to possess all that stuff but people can be genuinely happy without videogames, dvds, tvs, cars, ect... I saw this first hand on my trip in Cambodia and it was pretty refreshing. Kids who weren't total whiney brats, OMG! |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:51pm - porphyria ""] spoiled fat american children! hahah. |
| _______________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:53pm - aril ""] Which is exactly the problem. The majority of Americans take a number of things for granted, which ultimately blinds them of their necessities and goals. The apex of western civilization was reached during the Renaissance (although a little too religious for my taste) and has been on a decline since. First the industrial revolution, and not the digital revolution. We're killing our planet, squabbling over "MONEY", arguing over what religion is right, and watching America Idol. we're doomed, obama at least supplies hope to a large portion of our country. that's a start. it's not a solution; there is none unless humans, as a whole, wake the fuck up. |
| _______________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:53pm - aril ""] now**** |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 1:58pm - Josh_Martin ""] orgymf@work said: porphyria said:upper middle class = $250,000/year and up? who gives a shit... if you worked you're whole life to build you're own business to earn that much and were then told, "sorry, obama is gonna give HALF OF YOUR INCOME to people on welfare" you would give a shit mother fucker if you make 250,000 a year, and only take home 125,000 after taxes..... you'd be gettin jipped. taxing the wealthy (1 million post taxes in the bank with no assets unpaid for) for 50 % is absolutely justified......especially since most millionaires are just overpayed/overpraised entertainers, or genetic lottery winning estate inheritants I am bored enough to reply to this. Where are you getting this half figure from? No one is paying a 50% tax rate nor is that anyone's plan. I am really fucking sick of sore loser republicans pointing out how Obama is not gonna be this god-like president who is going to fix everything. Nobody fucking thinks that. (maybe a few retards think that but c'mon..) The reality of this country is that there were two people who had a realistic chance of winning the election. The better man won. End of story. Quit bitching until he actually fucks up. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 2:07pm - Josh_Martin ""] orgymf@work said:i am sick of people stating that lame and obvious point. it's reptitive and obnoxious. that's what's wrong with it. No its not. The idiot got elected twice. Just because this part of the country has some brains doesn't mean other parts don't need obvious shit like that drilled into their heads. If it was such an obvious point we would've had president Gore, or at least Kerry. No one should forget that electing a complete idiot, oil company whore is a bad bad bad idea. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 2:12pm - orgymf@work ""] aril said:or.. maybe I'm just angry because I basically live paycheck-to-paycheck and hate the stupidity and greed of humankind i do too bro. and that's what i am saying, imagine getting to that point, and seeing that much money taken out of your check? |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 2:14pm - orgymf@work ""] Josh_Martin said: orgymf@work said:i am sick of people stating that lame and obvious point. it's reptitive and obnoxious. that's what's wrong with it. No its not. The idiot got elected twice. Just because this part of the country has some brains doesn't mean other parts don't need obvious shit like that drilled into their heads. If it was such an obvious point we would've had president Gore, or at least Kerry. No one should forget that electing a complete idiot, oil company whore is a bad bad bad idea. i think this may be the third time i agree with you on something. yeah, there may be some people who don't understand that... but everyone on this board knows it (i think), and stating it here is just kicking a dead horse man. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 2:14pm - arilliusbm ""] yea, man. trust me, my father worked for enron and lost so much shit due to some greedy fucks who like to have harley davidsons in glass cases in their office. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 2:21pm - orgymf@work ""] Josh_Martin said: orgymf@work said: porphyria said:upper middle class = $250,000/year and up? who gives a shit... if you worked you're whole life to build you're own business to earn that much and were then told, "sorry, obama is gonna give HALF OF YOUR INCOME to people on welfare" you would give a shit mother fucker if you make 250,000 a year, and only take home 125,000 after taxes..... you'd be gettin jipped. taxing the wealthy (1 million post taxes in the bank with no assets unpaid for) for 50 % is absolutely justified......especially since most millionaires are just overpayed/overpraised entertainers, or genetic lottery winning estate inheritants I am bored enough to reply to this. Where are you getting this half figure from? No one is paying a 50% tax rate nor is that anyone's plan. I am really fucking sick of sore loser republicans pointing out how Obama is not gonna be this god-like president who is going to fix everything. Nobody fucking thinks that. (maybe a few retards think that but c'mon..) The reality of this country is that there were two people who had a realistic chance of winning the election. The better man won. End of story. Quit bitching until he actually fucks up. 1. i am definately not republican, i hate mccain too. i'm not bitching about him, because he lost, and there is nothing for me to bitch about. 2. i wouldn't say the better man won, i'd say they suck an equal amount of ass 3.maybe it's not 50 percent....i don't know exactly how much he wants to raise it on them....but i know it's probably too fucking much you want to save money for hard-working taxpayers? instead of over taxing the upper-middle class, how about telling the 24 year old with 6 babies and 6 baby daddies to sew her cunt shut and get a job. seek out welfare recipients who make money selling drugs and or working under the table spend time seeking out people who commit tax fraud stop giving tax breaks to corporations etc. |
| ______________________________ [Jan 22,2009 3:30pm - Yeti ""] arilliusbm said:yea, man. trust me, my father worked for enron and lost so much shit due to some greedy fucks who like to have harley davidsons in glass cases in their office. my dad works for Saint-Gobain in Worcester and is taking an early retirement plan so that when they pull out due to that unbelievable fuckup in price gouging (which cost them a hefty fine of 1 billion) he doesn't lose everything. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 3:33pm - Josh_Martin ""] orgymf@work said:1. i am definately not republican, i hate mccain too. i'm not bitching about him, because he lost, and there is nothing for me to bitch about. 2. i wouldn't say the better man won, i'd say they suck an equal amount of ass 3.maybe it's not 50 percent....i don't know exactly how much he wants to raise it on them....but i know it's probably too fucking much you want to save money for hard-working taxpayers? instead of over taxing the upper-middle class, how about telling the 24 year old with 6 babies and 6 baby daddies to sew her cunt shut and get a job. seek out welfare recipients who make money selling drugs and or working under the table spend time seeking out people who commit tax fraud stop giving tax breaks to corporations etc. If you're making over $250K pay your taxes, shut the fuck up, and be happy you're making that much money. Your tax rate is not going to be anywhere near 50%. People making less than that will see their taxes go down. Good. Fuck welfare for rich people. They don't need it. Trickle down economics didn't work in the 80's, its not going to work now. The myth of the welfare queen is so overblown and a bunch of bullshit that republicans use to distract people from noticing where the lions share of their taxes are really going. (the pentagon). Bitching about that is like telling someone with a $2000 a week coke habit to save money by quitting cigarettes. Fucking pointless and the majority of people on welfare are whites in middle america. If you hate both candidates equally, why are you even in this thread? |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 3:34pm - arilliusbm ""] corporate america sucks. i've started to grow my hair out again and have gotten a few unecessary comments already. and i'm at the emo stage. fuck them. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 3:38pm - porphyria ""] I'm scared Josh, I'm agreeing with you more and more these days...haha. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 4:29pm - orgymf@work ""] if mccain was in office, and this thread was about him, i would be here talking shit about him so "if you hate both candidates equally, why are you even in this thread?" is a very retarded question. and if you think the welfare queen is a minority population, or non existant myth, than you are 1,000 percent wrong. ask anyone you know who works for the Massachusetts Department of Transitional Assistance....or The Department of Public Health i deal with these "mythical creatures" every fucking day i shit you not, right now i am just sitting down from helping a woman who dropped out of high school, has never had a job, has six kids, four "babydaddys", and she came from a mother on welfare. so you are completely out of line on that one buddy. i said that people on welfare are part of the problem....that was including whites/white trash.....at what point, Josh, did i say "darkies" or "immigrants" on welfare in this thread??? although now that you mention it, there is a (bigger than most of you know) problem with illegals getting state and federally funded free shit (wic, healthcare, food stamps/ebt etc.)....and it is one of many problems. yes, they should tax the fuck out of wealthy. yes, they should help people who really need it. but they also should look into not helping people that don't really need/deserve the handout, and not raise anyones taxes who has/earns under a million a year.... you all can talk that shit, because you are paycheck-to-paycheck fuckers like i am. but i imagine, if i started my own brewery and worked my fat ass off to make it a success, i'd be angry as shit when i broke that 250k mark, and my paychecks got SMALLER!!!!!! and i think any of you in a similar situation would be just as pissed |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 4:33pm - olschool ""] I am a gun nut so u know who i voted for. I definitly do not want the Assault Weapons Ban to be reinacted. So silly. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 4:42pm - arilliusbm ""] i'm still waiting for that brewery, man.. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 5:05pm - Josh_Martin ""] orgymf@work said:if mccain was in office, and this thread was about him, i would be here talking shit about him so "if you hate both candidates equally, why are you even in this thread?" is a very retarded question. and if you think the welfare queen is a minority population, or non existant myth, than you are 1,000 percent wrong. ask anyone you know who works for the Massachusetts Department of Transitional Assistance....or The Department of Public Health i deal with these "mythical creatures" every fucking day i shit you not, right now i am just sitting down from helping a woman who dropped out of high school, has never had a job, has six kids, four "babydaddys", and she came from a mother on welfare. so you are completely out of line on that one buddy. I didnt say they don't exist. Obvioulsy there are people who abuse the system. I said the issue is totally overblown. Look at any piechart of where our tax dollars go. Welfare is nothing compared to the money the pentagon wastes. And yes, they are a minority among all of the people on welfare. Most people on welfare need it and use it to get back on their feet. Your job has skewered your outlook. Look up some actual stats instead basing your opinion on the anecdotal evidance of what you see at work everyday. And I asked why are you in this thread because it would be nice to actually have a discussion/arguement with people who have actual opinions other than "everybody sucks". We already know that. It seems like every time someone mentions Obama, you or someone like you feel a irrepressible urge to come in remind us that Obama is not descended from Heaven and here to fix everything. Nobody here thinks that. Nobody here acts like they think that. Its annoying. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 22,2009 5:12pm - pam ""] bennyhillifier |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 5:20pm - arilliusbm ""] First a Hendrix argument and now and Obama one. haha |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 5:39pm - Conservationist ""] AndrewBastard said:He just laid the smack down on lobbyists... Nah, he passed some token legislation on official lobbying. Has little to do with what will go on. The man comes to us recommended by the Chicago Political Machine(tm). Corruption is his language. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 5:40pm - Conservationist ""] Josh_Martin said:I said the issue is totally overblown. Look at any piechart of where our tax dollars go. Welfare is nothing compared to the money the pentagon wastes. Social welfare programs are a third of our budget, and much of our military budget goes into R&D from which you benefit. You think microprocessors just occurred at random? |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 5:44pm - arilliusbm ""] take all the funding out of the war on drugs and put it into R&D or NASA |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 6:08pm - Conservationist ""] ^^^ yes. The WoSD has failed. Legalize in California, if nothing else. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 6:22pm - arilliusbm ""] Well, we'll see what happens. I know Biden was an advocate for the "war" on drugs at one point in his career. Not too sure about his stance on it now. I think we'll see some major changes on that front of things in the next 4 years. At least for that green substance that millions of people smoke... I can't remember the name of it for the life of me.. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 22,2009 6:51pm - pam ""] Biden's stance won't matter anyway. In the immortal words of Hubert Humphrey “Anyone who thinks that the vice-president can take a position independent of the president of his administration simply has no knowledge of politics or government. You are his choice in a political marriage, and he expects your absolute loyalty.” |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 7:32pm - arilliusbm ""] I'm just sayin' - if Biden feels strongly about something, he can only advise and recommend his opinion to Obama. He's not the one signing stuff, but they're more of a "support" role. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 8:43pm - niccolai ""] pam said:Biden's stance won't matter anyway. In the immortal words of Hubert Humphrey “Anyone who thinks that the vice-president can take a position independent of the president of his administration simply has no knowledge of politics or government. You are his choice in a political marriage, and he expects your absolute loyalty.” Dick Cheney. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 8:52pm - niccolai ""] zyklon said: niccolai said: zyklon said: niccolai said: arilliusbm said:an IQ of about 100 Strange. they are drastically intelectually ranging. Yet they vote the same on every political issue, and have the same stance on practically everything. We are looking at 4 more years of Bush, but at least the speaches will sound prettier. I guess nikko is still mad that his boy lost. The guy has been in office one fucking day. at least give him the benefit of a doubt see what he can do and if after 4 years is the same shit then you can talk shit about him I am still pissed that my boy lost. I don't haveto give him the benefit of the doubt because I know what he votes for and I know what he's about. He's going to increase military spending, increase the empire, support israel, destroy your dollar, and has no plans to pay the national deficit. So wait.. what was the difference between him and bush again? Wow so you know the President of the USA huh? I wish I knew him. How do you know he's gonna do all those things? You need to stop reading nonsense shit from racist sites. Do you have a problem with him because of his last name or because he's mulatto? just be honest I know he will be doing these things because of what he's voted on in the senate and because of the people he's elected to his cabinet like Rahm Israel Emanuel and Dennis Ross. I don't like the mind set that anyone who doesn't support Obama is against blacks, thinks he's a moslem terrorist, or is a die hard republican that automatically hates democrats what his supporters seem to have. I have no problem with a black female president who wasn't even born in the country and is part of a political party i've never even heard of. I care about there stances on the issues that I think threaten the prosperity of the country (like the war in the middle east, the support of Israel, support of the federal reserve, and no agenda to solve the national debt). people accusing non-obama supporters of things like being racist, are just as biggoted as the views they are accusing people of having. Obama supports the murder of women and children in gaza. He will do nothing to solve the economic collapse of the dollar or the national debt, he will put pressure on(if not invade) Iran for no reason, and I know this because of the things he and his cabinet have voted for. and I know people will continue to support him until the first time he trips over words in a speach, or they make fun of him on the colbert report. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:07pm - pam ""] niccolai said: pam said:Biden's stance won't matter anyway. In the immortal words of Hubert Humphrey “Anyone who thinks that the vice-president can take a position independent of the president of his administration simply has no knowledge of politics or government. You are his choice in a political marriage, and he expects your absolute loyalty.” Dick Cheney. Yeah. Dick Cheney was vice president to President Special Needs. Big dif. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:08pm - niccolai ""] He did pretty terrible things outside of bush's controll. ever read the 9/11 comission report? |
| _____________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:08pm - pam ""] Niccolai you blow my mind. Blow it. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:10pm - pam ""] Sorry, you're not going to convince me that Joe Biden is Dick Cheney. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:15pm - niccolai ""] I'm not saying that. I'll I'm saying is the vice presidency does matter. Joe Biden isn't just a fashion accessory. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:19pm - Conservationist ""] pam said:Biden's stance won't matter anyway. In the immortal words of Hubert Humphrey “Anyone who thinks that the vice-president can take a position independent of the president of his administration simply has no knowledge of politics or government. You are his choice in a political marriage, and he expects your absolute loyalty.” Obama's stance doesn't matter anyway. The presidency is bought by special interest groups, at least when the course deviates away from "what difficult truths should we deal with" to "what wish fulfillment can we hoodwink our voters with." |
| ________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:25pm - zyklon ""] niccolai said: zyklon said: niccolai said: zyklon said: niccolai said: arilliusbm said:an IQ of about 100 Strange. they are drastically intelectually ranging. Yet they vote the same on every political issue, and have the same stance on practically everything. We are looking at 4 more years of Bush, but at least the speaches will sound prettier. I guess nikko is still mad that his boy lost. The guy has been in office one fucking day. at least give him the benefit of a doubt see what he can do and if after 4 years is the same shit then you can talk shit about him I am still pissed that my boy lost. I don't haveto give him the benefit of the doubt because I know what he votes for and I know what he's about. He's going to increase military spending, increase the empire, support israel, destroy your dollar, and has no plans to pay the national deficit. So wait.. what was the difference between him and bush again? Wow so you know the President of the USA huh? I wish I knew him. How do you know he's gonna do all those things? You need to stop reading nonsense shit from racist sites. Do you have a problem with him because of his last name or because he's mulatto? just be honest I know he will be doing these things because of what he's voted on in the senate and because of the people he's elected to his cabinet like Rahm Israel Emanuel and Dennis Ross. I don't like the mind set that anyone who doesn't support Obama is against blacks, thinks he's a moslem terrorist, or is a die hard republican that automatically hates democrats what his supporters seem to have. I have no problem with a black female president who wasn't even born in the country and is part of a political party i've never even heard of. I care about there stances on the issues that I think threaten the prosperity of the country (like the war in the middle east, the support of Israel, support of the federal reserve, and no agenda to solve the national debt). people accusing non-obama supporters of things like being racist, are just as biggoted as the views they are accusing people of having. Obama supports the murder of women and children in gaza. He will do nothing to solve the economic collapse of the dollar or the national debt, he will put pressure on(if not invade) Iran for no reason, and I know this because of the things he and his cabinet have voted for. and I know people will continue to support him until the first time he trips over words in a speach, or they make fun of him on the colbert report. I didn't say you were racist, I just asked you a simple question you can not answer for some reason. I really don't give a fuck if you are but just have the balls to say it that way I won't waste any breath on you. Your boy McCain already got over his defeat why can' you?? bennyhillifier |
| _____________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:26pm - pam ""] Gonna have to agree to disagree dude. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:28pm - zyklon ""] What exactly? |
| __________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:30pm - niccolai ""] zyklon said: niccolai said: zyklon said: niccolai said: zyklon said: niccolai said: arilliusbm said:an IQ of about 100 Strange. they are drastically intelectually ranging. Yet they vote the same on every political issue, and have the same stance on practically everything. We are looking at 4 more years of Bush, but at least the speaches will sound prettier. I guess nikko is still mad that his boy lost. The guy has been in office one fucking day. at least give him the benefit of a doubt see what he can do and if after 4 years is the same shit then you can talk shit about him I am still pissed that my boy lost. I don't haveto give him the benefit of the doubt because I know what he votes for and I know what he's about. He's going to increase military spending, increase the empire, support israel, destroy your dollar, and has no plans to pay the national deficit. So wait.. what was the difference between him and bush again? Wow so you know the President of the USA huh? I wish I knew him. How do you know he's gonna do all those things? You need to stop reading nonsense shit from racist sites. Do you have a problem with him because of his last name or because he's mulatto? just be honest I know he will be doing these things because of what he's voted on in the senate and because of the people he's elected to his cabinet like Rahm Israel Emanuel and Dennis Ross. I don't like the mind set that anyone who doesn't support Obama is against blacks, thinks he's a moslem terrorist, or is a die hard republican that automatically hates democrats what his supporters seem to have. I have no problem with a black female president who wasn't even born in the country and is part of a political party i've never even heard of. I care about there stances on the issues that I think threaten the prosperity of the country (like the war in the middle east, the support of Israel, support of the federal reserve, and no agenda to solve the national debt). people accusing non-obama supporters of things like being racist, are just as biggoted as the views they are accusing people of having. Obama supports the murder of women and children in gaza. He will do nothing to solve the economic collapse of the dollar or the national debt, he will put pressure on(if not invade) Iran for no reason, and I know this because of the things he and his cabinet have voted for. and I know people will continue to support him until the first time he trips over words in a speach, or they make fun of him on the colbert report. I didn't say you were racist, I just asked you a simple question you can not answer for some reason. I really don't give a fuck if you are but just have the balls to say it that way I won't waste any breath on you. Your boy McCain already got over his defeat why can' you?? bennyhillifier By saying my news sources are 'racist websites' you're insinuating I'm racist. And for the record.. when did I ever support Mccain? That would be the day. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:32pm - pam ""] And uh, John McCain talked a lot tougher about Iran than Obama, and thinks Hamas are terrorists. http://jeffreygoldberg.theatlantic.com/arc...mccain_on_israel_iran_and_the_1.php |
| _____________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:33pm - pam ""] niccolai said: zyklon said: niccolai said: zyklon said: niccolai said: zyklon said: niccolai said: arilliusbm said:an IQ of about 100 Strange. they are drastically intelectually ranging. Yet they vote the same on every political issue, and have the same stance on practically everything. We are looking at 4 more years of Bush, but at least the speaches will sound prettier. I guess nikko is still mad that his boy lost. The guy has been in office one fucking day. at least give him the benefit of a doubt see what he can do and if after 4 years is the same shit then you can talk shit about him I am still pissed that my boy lost. I don't haveto give him the benefit of the doubt because I know what he votes for and I know what he's about. He's going to increase military spending, increase the empire, support israel, destroy your dollar, and has no plans to pay the national deficit. So wait.. what was the difference between him and bush again? Wow so you know the President of the USA huh? I wish I knew him. How do you know he's gonna do all those things? You need to stop reading nonsense shit from racist sites. Do you have a problem with him because of his last name or because he's mulatto? just be honest I know he will be doing these things because of what he's voted on in the senate and because of the people he's elected to his cabinet like Rahm Israel Emanuel and Dennis Ross. I don't like the mind set that anyone who doesn't support Obama is against blacks, thinks he's a moslem terrorist, or is a die hard republican that automatically hates democrats what his supporters seem to have. I have no problem with a black female president who wasn't even born in the country and is part of a political party i've never even heard of. I care about there stances on the issues that I think threaten the prosperity of the country (like the war in the middle east, the support of Israel, support of the federal reserve, and no agenda to solve the national debt). people accusing non-obama supporters of things like being racist, are just as biggoted as the views they are accusing people of having. Obama supports the murder of women and children in gaza. He will do nothing to solve the economic collapse of the dollar or the national debt, he will put pressure on(if not invade) Iran for no reason, and I know this because of the things he and his cabinet have voted for. and I know people will continue to support him until the first time he trips over words in a speach, or they make fun of him on the colbert report. I didn't say you were racist, I just asked you a simple question you can not answer for some reason. I really don't give a fuck if you are but just have the balls to say it that way I won't waste any breath on you. Your boy McCain already got over his defeat why can' you?? bennyhillifier By saying my news sources are 'racist websites' you're insinuating I'm racist. And for the record.. when did I ever support Mccain? That would be the day. I said Conservationists websites were. Not you. I haven't seen you post sources. (Not saying you didn't, but I haven't seen em.) |
| __________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:34pm - niccolai ""] Not that I really care about who 'talks tougher' (I go more by their voting records)... but Obama's cabinet speaks about Iran in a practically psychotic way. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:36pm - pam ""] Where? Please show me. Because so far all you're talking about is his prospective ambassador...last I checked they don't get to decide who we go to war with. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:36pm - niccolai ""] pam said: niccolai said: zyklon said: niccolai said: zyklon said: niccolai said: zyklon said: niccolai said: arilliusbm said:an IQ of about 100 Strange. they are drastically intelectually ranging. Yet they vote the same on every political issue, and have the same stance on practically everything. We are looking at 4 more years of Bush, but at least the speaches will sound prettier. I guess nikko is still mad that his boy lost. The guy has been in office one fucking day. at least give him the benefit of a doubt see what he can do and if after 4 years is the same shit then you can talk shit about him I am still pissed that my boy lost. I don't haveto give him the benefit of the doubt because I know what he votes for and I know what he's about. He's going to increase military spending, increase the empire, support israel, destroy your dollar, and has no plans to pay the national deficit. So wait.. what was the difference between him and bush again? Wow so you know the President of the USA huh? I wish I knew him. How do you know he's gonna do all those things? You need to stop reading nonsense shit from racist sites. Do you have a problem with him because of his last name or because he's mulatto? just be honest I know he will be doing these things because of what he's voted on in the senate and because of the people he's elected to his cabinet like Rahm Israel Emanuel and Dennis Ross. I don't like the mind set that anyone who doesn't support Obama is against blacks, thinks he's a moslem terrorist, or is a die hard republican that automatically hates democrats what his supporters seem to have. I have no problem with a black female president who wasn't even born in the country and is part of a political party i've never even heard of. I care about there stances on the issues that I think threaten the prosperity of the country (like the war in the middle east, the support of Israel, support of the federal reserve, and no agenda to solve the national debt). people accusing non-obama supporters of things like being racist, are just as biggoted as the views they are accusing people of having. Obama supports the murder of women and children in gaza. He will do nothing to solve the economic collapse of the dollar or the national debt, he will put pressure on(if not invade) Iran for no reason, and I know this because of the things he and his cabinet have voted for. and I know people will continue to support him until the first time he trips over words in a speach, or they make fun of him on the colbert report. I didn't say you were racist, I just asked you a simple question you can not answer for some reason. I really don't give a fuck if you are but just have the balls to say it that way I won't waste any breath on you. Your boy McCain already got over his defeat why can' you?? By saying my news sources are 'racist websites' you're insinuating I'm racist. And for the record.. when did I ever support Mccain? That would be the day. I said Conservationists websites were. Not you. I haven't seen you post sources. (Not saying you didn't, but I haven't seen em.) By saying I read and get my sources from racist manifesto, it's fair to assume you'r making racist accusations. My sources are Barack Obama's voting record, and various speaches by dennis ross. Any who, got any quotes of me supporting Mccain? |
| ________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:36pm - zyklon ""] niccolai said: zyklon said: niccolai said: zyklon said: niccolai said: zyklon said: niccolai said: arilliusbm said:an IQ of about 100 Strange. they are drastically intelectually ranging. Yet they vote the same on every political issue, and have the same stance on practically everything. We are looking at 4 more years of Bush, but at least the speaches will sound prettier. I guess nikko is still mad that his boy lost. The guy has been in office one fucking day. at least give him the benefit of a doubt see what he can do and if after 4 years is the same shit then you can talk shit about him I am still pissed that my boy lost. I don't haveto give him the benefit of the doubt because I know what he votes for and I know what he's about. He's going to increase military spending, increase the empire, support israel, destroy your dollar, and has no plans to pay the national deficit. So wait.. what was the difference between him and bush again? Wow so you know the President of the USA huh? I wish I knew him. How do you know he's gonna do all those things? You need to stop reading nonsense shit from racist sites. Do you have a problem with him because of his last name or because he's mulatto? just be honest I know he will be doing these things because of what he's voted on in the senate and because of the people he's elected to his cabinet like Rahm Israel Emanuel and Dennis Ross. I don't like the mind set that anyone who doesn't support Obama is against blacks, thinks he's a moslem terrorist, or is a die hard republican that automatically hates democrats what his supporters seem to have. I have no problem with a black female president who wasn't even born in the country and is part of a political party i've never even heard of. I care about there stances on the issues that I think threaten the prosperity of the country (like the war in the middle east, the support of Israel, support of the federal reserve, and no agenda to solve the national debt). people accusing non-obama supporters of things like being racist, are just as biggoted as the views they are accusing people of having. Obama supports the murder of women and children in gaza. He will do nothing to solve the economic collapse of the dollar or the national debt, he will put pressure on(if not invade) Iran for no reason, and I know this because of the things he and his cabinet have voted for. and I know people will continue to support him until the first time he trips over words in a speach, or they make fun of him on the colbert report. I didn't say you were racist, I just asked you a simple question you can not answer for some reason. I really don't give a fuck if you are but just have the balls to say it that way I won't waste any breath on you. Your boy McCain already got over his defeat why can' you?? bennyhillifier By saying my news sources are 'racist websites' you're insinuating I'm racist. And for the record.. when did I ever support Mccain? That would be the day. My bad dude for insulting you but how can you say bad stuff about a president who's been in office for just 2 days? All I'm saying is whatever you heard or read about him is probably bullshit unless you have a time machine and already saw the future. there's a reason why american people elected him to be our next leader, like McCain said he inspired people. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:37pm - pam ""] NICCOLAI I SAID CONSERVATIONIST DOES. NOT YOU. I thought I'd say that a little louder. Since you obviously didn't hear me. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:39pm - niccolai ""] I know Pam, I was talking to Zyklon. haha. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:41pm - pam ""] From Project Vote Smart: * The Problem: Iran has sought nuclear weapons, supports militias inside Iraq and terror across the region, and its leaders threaten Israel and deny the Holocaust. But Obama and Biden believe that we have not exhausted our non-military options in confronting this threat; in many ways, we have yet to try them. That's why Obama stood up to the Bush administration's warnings of war, just like he stood up to the war in Iraq. * Opposed Bush-Cheney Saber Rattling: Obama and Biden opposed the Kyl-Lieberman amendment, which says we should use our military presence in Iraq to counter the threat from Iran. Obama and Biden believe that it was reckless for Congress to give George Bush any justification to extend the Iraq War or to attack Iran. Obama also introduced a resolution in the Senate declaring that no act of Congress – including Kyl-Lieberman – gives the Bush administration authorization to attack Iran. * Diplomacy: Obama supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions. Now is the time to pressure Iran directly to change their troubling behavior. Obama and Biden would offer the Iranian regime a choice. If Iran abandons its nuclear program and support for terrorism, we will offer incentives like membership in the World Trade Organization, economic investments, and a move toward normal diplomatic relations. If Iran continues its troubling behavior, we will step up our economic pressure and political isolation. Seeking this kind of comprehensive settlement with Iran is our best way to make progress. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:42pm - niccolai ""] pam said:Where? Please show me. Because so far all you're talking about is his prospective ambassador...last I checked they don't get to decide who we go to war with. No, he doesn't decide who we go to war with. But he is the Middle east polizy adviser... So let's face it, he has some influence. anywho... find something true in this entire video. bennyhillifier |
| ________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:45pm - zyklon ""] pam said:From Project Vote Smart: * The Problem: Iran has sought nuclear weapons, supports militias inside Iraq and terror across the region, and its leaders threaten Israel and deny the Holocaust. But Obama and Biden believe that we have not exhausted our non-military options in confronting this threat; in many ways, we have yet to try them. That's why Obama stood up to the Bush administration's warnings of war, just like he stood up to the war in Iraq. * Opposed Bush-Cheney Saber Rattling: Obama and Biden opposed the Kyl-Lieberman amendment, which says we should use our military presence in Iraq to counter the threat from Iran. Obama and Biden believe that it was reckless for Congress to give George Bush any justification to extend the Iraq War or to attack Iran. Obama also introduced a resolution in the Senate declaring that no act of Congress – including Kyl-Lieberman – gives the Bush administration authorization to attack Iran. * Diplomacy: Obama supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions. Now is the time to pressure Iran directly to change their troubling behavior. Obama and Biden would offer the Iranian regime a choice. If Iran abandons its nuclear program and support for terrorism, we will offer incentives like membership in the World Trade Organization, economic investments, and a move toward normal diplomatic relations. If Iran continues its troubling behavior, we will step up our economic pressure and political isolation. Seeking this kind of comprehensive settlement with Iran is our best way to make progress. Good post Pam! How the hell if you ignore someone completely make things better? Bush and Cheney were idiots for believing in that |
| _____________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:45pm - pam ""] "We cannot allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon. It would be a game-changer in the region. Not only would it threaten Israel, our strongest ally in the region and one of our strongest allies in the world, but it would also create a possibility of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of terrorists. So it's unacceptable, and I will do everything that's required to prevent it. And we will never take military options off the table. And it is important that we don't provide veto power to the United Nations or anyone else in acting in our interests. It is important, though, for us to use all the tools at our disposal to prevent the scenario where we've got to make those kinds of choices. And that's why I have consistently said that if we can work more effectively with other countries diplomatically to tighten sanctions on Iran, if we can reduce our energy consumption through alternative energy so that Iran has less money, if we can impose the kinds of sanctions that -- say, for example, Iran right now imports gasoline even though it's an oil producer because its oil infrastructure has broken down. If we can prevent them from importing the gasoline that they need, and the refined petroleum products, that starts changing their cost benefit analysis, that starts putting the squeeze on them. Now, it is true, though, that I believe that we should have direct talks not just with our friends but also with our enemies, to deliver a tough, direct message to Iran that if you don't change your behavior, then there will be dire consequences. If you do change your behavior, then it is possible for you to re-join the community of nations. Now, it may not work, but one of things we've learned is that when we take that approach -- whether it's in North Korea or in Iran, then we have a better chance at better outcomes. When President Bush decided we're not going to talk to Iran, we're not going to talk to North Korea, you know what happened? Iran went from zero centrifuges to develop nuclear weapons to 4,000. North Korea quadrupled its nuclear capability. We've got to try to have talks understanding that we're not taking military options off the table." |
| _____________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:47pm - pam ""] Obama wants diplomacy, not war. And if your requirements for president are doing nothing, letting Iran have nukes, and sitting with our thumb up our ass than you're out of your fucking mind. Point blank. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:48pm - zyklon ""] Military option should not taken off the table but has to be the last resource |
| __________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:49pm - niccolai ""] zyklon said: niccolai said: zyklon said: niccolai said: zyklon said: niccolai said: zyklon said: niccolai said: arilliusbm said:an IQ of about 100 Strange. they are drastically intelectually ranging. Yet they vote the same on every political issue, and have the same stance on practically everything. We are looking at 4 more years of Bush, but at least the speaches will sound prettier. I guess nikko is still mad that his boy lost. The guy has been in office one fucking day. at least give him the benefit of a doubt see what he can do and if after 4 years is the same shit then you can talk shit about him I am still pissed that my boy lost. I don't haveto give him the benefit of the doubt because I know what he votes for and I know what he's about. He's going to increase military spending, increase the empire, support israel, destroy your dollar, and has no plans to pay the national deficit. So wait.. what was the difference between him and bush again? Wow so you know the President of the USA huh? I wish I knew him. How do you know he's gonna do all those things? You need to stop reading nonsense shit from racist sites. Do you have a problem with him because of his last name or because he's mulatto? just be honest I know he will be doing these things because of what he's voted on in the senate and because of the people he's elected to his cabinet like Rahm Israel Emanuel and Dennis Ross. I don't like the mind set that anyone who doesn't support Obama is against blacks, thinks he's a moslem terrorist, or is a die hard republican that automatically hates democrats what his supporters seem to have. I have no problem with a black female president who wasn't even born in the country and is part of a political party i've never even heard of. I care about there stances on the issues that I think threaten the prosperity of the country (like the war in the middle east, the support of Israel, support of the federal reserve, and no agenda to solve the national debt). people accusing non-obama supporters of things like being racist, are just as biggoted as the views they are accusing people of having. Obama supports the murder of women and children in gaza. He will do nothing to solve the economic collapse of the dollar or the national debt, he will put pressure on(if not invade) Iran for no reason, and I know this because of the things he and his cabinet have voted for. and I know people will continue to support him until the first time he trips over words in a speach, or they make fun of him on the colbert report. I didn't say you were racist, I just asked you a simple question you can not answer for some reason. I really don't give a fuck if you are but just have the balls to say it that way I won't waste any breath on you. Your boy McCain already got over his defeat why can' you?? bennyhillifier By saying my news sources are 'racist websites' you're insinuating I'm racist. And for the record.. when did I ever support Mccain? That would be the day. My bad dude for insulting you but how can you say bad stuff about a president who's been in office for just 2 days? All I'm saying is whatever you heard or read about him is probably bullshit unless you have a time machine and already saw the future. there's a reason why american people elected him to be our next leader, like McCain said he inspired people. I hear you man, but I really think with our economy being the way it is that we need a president that didn't vote to fund the Iraq war, that doesn't give 3 billion dollars of our tax money to israel every year, and that doesn't support the creation of our money based on debt. Taxes are too high, living standards are too low, and too many people are dieing. War is archaic to a fault, and I am willing to say anything I need to get the message across that too many innocent people are dieing, we're spending too much money, and our economy is hurting from this. I don't advocate war, I don't advocate preaching democracy in foreign nations that don't welcome it, and I don't think it's a good idea to give 3 billion dollars a year so that israel can destroy people that are no threat to the US. And I REALLY don't think we need to continue feeding our war machine when 85% of the American people don't support war in the middle east. Does that sound bigoted, racist, and republican? |
| _____________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:50pm - pam ""] I don't really know why I'm bothering. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:54pm - pam ""] >And I REALLY don't think we need to continue feeding our war machine >when 85% of the American people don't support war in the middle east. Neither does Obama. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 9:59pm - niccolai ""] Look, I hope you guys prove me wrong. I don't want the US to invade Iran. As it stands now, Iran is not a nuclear power. Israel is. They have nuclear weapons (which JFK wanted inspected weeks before he was killed). They use their military might to exterminate arabs. I would suggest reasons like that are why places like iran and Iraq don't support us. (which the leaders of iran and iraq have actually been quoted saying). I think if we didn't indirectly support things like the genocide of arab people, then we wouldn't haveto be affraid of arabs having Nuclear weapons (which it doesn't really matter if they did, how much damage do you HONESTLY think they could do to the US?) I want Obama to live up to the expectations people have of him, but from what i've seen on his and his cabinet's voting record, we have more turmoil in front of us. So let's hope I'm wrong. Let's hope he brings peace to Iraq, afghanistan, Palestine, Israel, and Iran. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 10:00pm - niccolai ""] pam said:>And I REALLY don't think we need to continue feeding our war machine >when 85% of the American people don't support war in the middle east. Neither does Obama. Then why does he vote to fund it in the senate, and why does he appoint pro-war conservatives to his cabinet? |
| ______________________________ [Jan 22,2009 10:08pm - pam ""] If Obama voted against "funding the troops" he'd be crucified for hating AMURIKA. He voted against the fucking war in the first place, but we're there, and they need shit. He voted YES TWICE on the conditional bill with the withdrawal timeline, Bush fucking veto'd them both. He passed the next bill because Bushie was not budging. What the fuck do you want from him? He also voted NO HERE on the amendment to ban timetables from bills concerning Iraq. Bill #1 with Timetable #2 He voted yes on this funding bill which tied in more funding for the GI bill, domestic disaster relief funds and unemployment. What a fucking dick he is. Clearly. Total war monger. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 10:20pm - niccolai ""] Like I said. I hope you're right. I hope I'm wrong. But to me, it's just not looking that way yet. |
| ______________________________ [Jan 22,2009 10:26pm - pam ""] Fair enough |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 10:37pm - Conservationist ""] niccolai said:By saying my news sources are 'racist websites' you're insinuating I'm racist. That's the liberal one-trick pony. Losing an argument? The other guy is racist. Zyklon just did it to me here. Not very intelligent, is it? |
| _________________________________ [Jan 22,2009 11:35pm - zyklon ""] Conservationist said: niccolai said:By saying my news sources are 'racist websites' you're insinuating I'm racist. That's the liberal one-trick pony. Losing an argument? The other guy is racist. Zyklon just did it to me here. Not very intelligent, is it? I don't think niccolai is racist but you are. you keep posting their links every chance you get to make a point. it's 2009 conservationist... |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 23,2009 1:40am - Bob Barker ""] Conservationist said: niccolai said:By saying my news sources are 'racist websites' you're insinuating I'm racist. That's the liberal one-trick pony. Losing an argument? The other guy is racist. Zyklon just did it to me here. Not very intelligent, is it? Back off, Obama is metal. [img] |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 23,2009 2:06am - i_am_lazy ""] I saw there was a post by Bob Barker and was expecting something about always remember to have your presidents spayed or neutered. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 23,2009 2:14am - Hungtableed ""] Obama is good, he has a D next to his name...all politicians are good, none are greedy shit bags... [img] All I was saying is that he is my president now and I support our pres. I never agreed with him but I will refrain from judging him until after he does what he does. |
| ______________________________ [Jan 23,2009 7:50am - Yeti ""] well that was an entertaining read at 7:45 am. so far i have seen nothing to say that Obama is going to fuck things up, i only see evidence that he is really looking to change things positively, and understands that he can't just wave a magical presidential wand and we'll all throw our weapons into a giant foundry. one big obstacle he has to overcome is that he wants to settle things diplomatically when foreign affairs are used to be strongarmed. no one is going to believe that he is willing to talk when for 8 years Bush held his boot on the worlds throat. its like one of those MMA douchebags who walks around flexing talking about how he can kick everyone's ass, then you get into a scuffle with him at a bar, and he says he wants to sit down and discuss options to resolve the dispute over a warm cup of tea. |
| ______________________________ [Jan 23,2009 10:24am - pam ""] Well that assbadger from Pakistan did send a letter of congratulations to Obama after the election...maybe he's willing. (I have no hope that he is, for the record.) |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 23,2009 11:59am - Conservationist ""] zyklon said: Conservationist said: niccolai said:By saying my news sources are 'racist websites' you're insinuating I'm racist. That's the liberal one-trick pony. Losing an argument? The other guy is racist. Zyklon just did it to me here. Not very intelligent, is it? I don't think niccolai is racist but you are. you keep posting their links every chance you get to make a point. it's 2009 conservationist... It's 2009, which means truth is what it always has been, despite your pretense otherwise. What are these links you're complaining about? Provide examples. And please define "racist." It's the one insult you think will make anyone shut up when you're losing an argument, so you use it casually -- but you owe us a clear definition. DO IT OR YOURE A PUSSY FAGGOT ;) |
| __________________________________ [Jan 23,2009 5:09pm - niccolai ""] pam said:Well that assbadger from Pakistan did send a letter of congratulations to Obama after the election...maybe he's willing. (I have no hope that he is, for the record.) I dont get it. You want war with pakistan, you support a president who spends billions of tax dollars so georgia and Israel can kill people, but defend him by saying he's not pro war? and I'm the crazy one? |
| ________________________________ [Jan 23,2009 5:31pm - zyklon ""] Conservationist who's us? Your all alone buddy. Everyone is getting sick and tired of your negative bullshit, all you do is whine like a little bitch. I'm not gonna even bother posting your shit b/c you know what they are. Don't know what a racist is? Look in the mirror you inbred motherfucker |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 23,2009 5:57pm - Lamp nli ""] Conservationist > zyklon This whole board > zyklon |
| __________________________________ [Jan 23,2009 6:04pm - niccolai ""] Lamp%20nli said:Conservationist > zyklon I like them both. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 23,2009 6:18pm - Martins ""] Wait, Obama won? |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 23,2009 6:31pm - Lamp nli ""] Obama Actually President, Nation Suddenly Realizes |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 23,2009 7:35pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] HAI GAIS, DID U HEAR THE PRESIDENT'S BLACK?!!!!!@>>!??!? |
| __________________________________ [Jan 3,2012 1:39pm - nicccnli ""] zyklon said: I guess nikko is still mad that his boy lost. The guy has been in office one fucking day. at least give him the benefit of a doubt see what he can do and if after 4 years is the same shit then you can talk shit about him I gave him four years =] -Said he'd get us out of iraq (instead invaded pakistan 3 days into presidency, Iran's next. Still in afghanistan.. and germany... and japan.. and africa.. and korea... ) -Said he would recognize the benefits medical marijuana and take a states rights approach (increased DEA presence in california. Increased war on drugs budget which only makes drugs cheaper, and more available. People with cancer can't get the medicine that stops them from throwing up. People with epilepsy can't get the medicine that prevents their seizures) -Used the term 'humble foreign policy' (supports Israel's extermination of palestinians) -BAILED OUT THE FUCKING BANKS -Did nothing to prevent the real estate collapse -STILL hasn't lifted a hilarious embargo with Cuba -Hasn't decreased the military budget -Your taxes went UP YOU RETARDS :pukeface: |
| __________________________________ [Jan 3,2012 1:43pm - nicccnli ""] I forgot he's anti net neutrality and we don't need a trial to be detained anymore and the federal government doesn't need search warrants anymore and tupac is still alive. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 3,2012 1:53pm - ark ""] Niccc, don't forget that congress is to blame for the tax bullshit and a lot of other problems outside the presidents power. Also, GITMO is still open (relevant with indefinite detention) Obama is full of dirty banker money. The banks are hedging their bets and backing Romney too. Expect mainstream media to fling full support for Romney as "the only guy that can beat Obama" Not voting democrat or GOP this time. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 3,2012 1:55pm - nicccnli ""] Ron Paul is about to win Iowa. People don't realize that he needs only a tiny tiny amount of extra support to take the GOP ticket. and with the GOP nomination, he won't have ANY problem crushing Obama. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 3,2012 2:03pm - ark ""] Ron Paul's biggest contributor is the US Army. His foreign policy is bulletproof. There are a lot of things I don't like about the guy, but he's the only candidate that makes any sense in debates. I don't support a lot of his deregulatory policies (sorry libertarians) but I think he would make a strong president if only for his anti-interventionist and constitutional bent (hardcore opposition for patriot act, ndaa, and sopa) |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 3,2012 2:04pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] Obama will get re-elected after we start war with Iran. I have no hope for the future. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 3,2012 2:05pm - arilliusbm ""] For those of you who dont know, theyve moved the Iowa result location to a secret place because of "security concerns." This means Paul wont win and itll be fudged. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 3,2012 2:05pm - ark ""] Ron Paul is so far removed from GOP orthodoxy that I doubt they would ever nominate him. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 3,2012 2:13pm - nicccnli ""] arilliusbm said:For those of you who dont know, theyve moved the Iowa result location to a secret place because of "security concerns." This means Paul wont win and itll be fudged. They tally the votes at each caucus while voting goes on, then they send the the tallied results to an intel company (which isn't even a US company... I'm not even going to say where the company is from.. google it because you won't believe me) People at each caucus will wait for votes to close and report them to media outlets. It will be a hard vote for Obamney to steal. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 3,2012 2:16pm - nicccnli ""] ark said:Ron Paul is so far removed from GOP orthodoxy that I doubt they would ever nominate him. Unfortunately for them, It's the American people that nominate the president. Ron Paul winning the majority of states and NOT getting the GOP nomination is almost a godsend. People would revolt if the man that got the most votes didn't get the nomination. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 3,2012 2:19pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] nicccnli said: ark said:People would revolt if the man that got the most votes didn't get the nomination. Didnt that happen with Bush's re-election? I dont remember a revolt then. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 3,2012 2:21pm - posbleak ""] Ron Paul will never get the GOP nom and I am thankful for his existence in this race, as it practically guarantees four more years with Obama |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 3,2012 2:22pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] i'm so fucking done with politics. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 3,2012 2:26pm - ark ""] I knew how Obama funded his campaign in 2008. I voted for him anyway because John McCain should have died in Hanoi. My politics tell me to write in Al Franken or Elizabeth Warren, hell I'm going to the ballot strictly to vote Scott Brown out of my statehouse. My federal vote doesn't matter but I'll probably throw it to Paul because he might have a chance to get some numbers and it would be an interesting 4 years. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 3,2012 2:30pm - ark ""] Tom, go vote for your state reps. That actually matters. The public won't support a war with Iran. It would be political suicide for Washington to do it. That just might be a tipping point. CAINT WAIT |
| _____________________________ [Jan 3,2012 3:21pm - Yeti ""] Yeti said:well that was an entertaining read at 7:45 am. so far i have seen nothing to say that Obama is going to fuck things up, i only see evidence that he is really looking to change things positively, and understands that he can't just wave a magical presidential wand and we'll all throw our weapons into a giant foundry. one big obstacle he has to overcome is that he wants to settle things diplomatically when foreign affairs are used to be strongarmed. no one is going to believe that he is willing to talk when for 8 years Bush held his boot on the worlds throat. its like one of those MMA douchebags who walks around flexing talking about how he can kick everyone's ass, then you get into a scuffle with him at a bar, and he says he wants to sit down and discuss options to resolve the dispute over a warm cup of tea. good fuck did i eat these words. what a calamity he turned out to be. that's what i get for having hope. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 3,2012 3:23pm - Yeti ""] arilliusbm said:For those of you who dont know, theyve moved the Iowa result location to a secret place because of "security concerns." This means Paul wont win and itll be fudged. this "Iowa" nonsense is ridiculous. so the other 49 states (well i should say 48 considering NH is politically magical for some reason) don't mean shit? |
| _____________________________ [Jan 3,2012 3:30pm - ark ""] Weak president, backed by the bankers, and the absolute WORST congress the country has ever seen. It's easy to see how a politician will perform if you follow where their money comes from. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 3,2012 3:31pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] Yeti said: arilliusbm said:For those of you who dont know, theyve moved the Iowa result location to a secret place because of "security concerns." This means Paul wont win and itll be fudged. this "Iowa" nonsense is ridiculous. so the other 49 states (well i should say 48 considering NH is politically magical for some reason) don't mean shit? welcome to a Democratic Republic. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 3,2012 3:41pm - ark ""] tony, the way i understand it, the caucuses are in each state, iowa and new hampshire's are the earliest ones, indicators of how the primaries will turn out in each state. that's really the only reason why they're important in the media. each state sends delegates to each political party's conventions in the summer, where the political parties choose their nominee, based on the outcome of the primaries in each state. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 3,2012 3:42pm - ark ""] there's two ways to understand politics: how government actually works, and how the media tells you how it works. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 3,2012 4:08pm - nicccnli ""] DRUDGE CAUCUSES OPEN NOW PAUL 29% ROMNEY 25% SANTORUM 18% DRUDGE READERS FROM IOWA VOTE: PAUL 624 32.07% ROMNEY 412 21.17% SANTORUM 412 21.17% |
| __________________________________ [Jan 3,2012 4:15pm - nicccnli ""] Yeti said: Yeti said:well that was an entertaining read at 7:45 am. so far i have seen nothing to say that Obama is going to fuck things up, i only see evidence that he is really looking to change things positively, and understands that he can't just wave a magical presidential wand and we'll all throw our weapons into a giant foundry. one big obstacle he has to overcome is that he wants to settle things diplomatically when foreign affairs are used to be strongarmed. no one is going to believe that he is willing to talk when for 8 years Bush held his boot on the worlds throat. its like one of those MMA douchebags who walks around flexing talking about how he can kick everyone's ass, then you get into a scuffle with him at a bar, and he says he wants to sit down and discuss options to resolve the dispute over a warm cup of tea. good fuck did i eat these words. what a calamity he turned out to be. that's what i get for having hope. 'Hope' is what keeps people clinging on to religion and nationalism. 'Hope' keeps people playing the fucking lottery Unfortunately, 'hope' doesn't change government policy. People really need to start being proactive and researching candidates before they place votes. Not voting and then 'hoping' their candidate wasn't full of horse shit. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 3,2012 4:33pm - arktouros ""] to his credit, obama did have a few wins with environmental policies, small business programs, education incentives for states, antitrust enforcements, national infrastructure reinvestment bank, military reforms for deployment times and DADT, somewhat effective foreign policy...blah blah blah, a lot of it no one ever talks about because it's far too complicated or small... the stuff that should have happened, like GITMO closing, complete withdrawal from middle east, increased taxes and closed loopholes for the top 1%...did not happen. obama gets credit from me as a buffer zone against the GOP death machine, but that's it. his banker support and his support of the patriot act blow it for me. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 3,2012 4:35pm - arktouros ""] oh yeah, and he's a zionist. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 3,2012 5:06pm - arilliusbm ""] I love Zionism too. Problem? |
| ________________________________________________ [Jan 3,2012 5:08pm - five finger dick touch ""] Hes a stupid fucking nigger |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 3,2012 5:12pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] five%20finger%20dick%20touch said:Hes a stupid fucking nigger actually on the contrary... he's very intelligent nigger. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 3,2012 5:14pm - Yeti ""] ark said:tony, the way i understand it, the caucuses are in each state, iowa and new hampshire's are the earliest ones, indicators of how the primaries will turn out in each state. that's really the only reason why they're important in the media. each state sends delegates to each political party's conventions in the summer, where the political parties choose their nominee, based on the outcome of the primaries in each state. no i get the process, it's just portrayed like if they don't succeed in Iowa and NH then they are doomed. they could fail in those states and explode in the others. then again, i don't really care, all candidates are just Kodos and Kang in disguise. |
| _______________________________ [Jan 3,2012 5:28pm - burnsy ""] I really don't think Obama is all that intelligent. Smarter than bush but that's like saying you're tougher than Stephen hawking. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 3,2012 5:31pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] He's intelligent in terms of Sales experience and Bull-shittery |
| __________________________________ [Jan 3,2012 6:46pm - nicccnli ""] DRUDGE READERS FROM IOWA VOTE: PAUL 1,337 33.61% SANTORUM 847 21.29% ROMNEY 805 20.24% GINGRICH 418 10.18% PERRY 306 7.45% |
| __________________________________ [Jan 3,2012 6:48pm - nicccnli ""] Even Santorum is looking better then Romney which is fucking AWESOME I was originally pumped that Santorum was eating up some of the 'would be' romney voters The more polls Santorum beats Romney in the better because Paul will have nooooooo problem beating out Santorum for a GOP ticket. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 3,2012 6:51pm - nicccnli ""] Karen Santorum wrote a book about the experience: Letters to Gabriel: The True Story of Gabriel Michael Santorum.[130] In it, she writes that the couple brought the deceased infant home from the hospital and presented the dead child to their living children as "your brother Gabriel" and slept with the body overnight before returning it to the hospital. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 3,2012 7:48pm - frankovhell ""] I kind of get the feeling if Ron Paul actually wins that he will be assassinated by a government assclown. |
| __________________________________________________________ [Jan 3,2012 7:58pm - Big bag of assorted nigger parts ""] Ron Paul fucking rocks but I sincerely doubt the US would take his wildcard radical politics over the niggerloving but familar abuse they've sustained the past 4 years under Yobama. I identify more w RP than anyone else, but I don't think he'd get the votes to beat darkie. Santorum's a religion-oriented chunk of shit, Romney's a wet noodle, Gingrich loves wetbacks, Perry's a dope. RP is no bowl of cherries but everyone loves a nigger these days. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 3,2012 7:58pm - emmmagoldman ""] Those of you who think any candidate will save you and your country are still falling for the tricks of the wealthy if you want real freedom find as many friends as you can, find some land, find a water source, and cut yourself off from this cancerous empire before it conscripts you in its next conquest of Gaulish territory. |
| __________________________________________________________ [Jan 3,2012 7:59pm - Big bag of assorted nigger parts ""] That sounds reasonable but you have a jew name. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 3,2012 8:25pm - ark ""] lol |
| _____________________________ [Jan 3,2012 8:28pm - ark ""] emmmagoldman said:Those of you who think any candidate will save you and your country are still falling for the tricks of the wealthy nobody said anything about saving it emma. now go shave your mustache! |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 3,2012 11:44pm - frankovhell ""] emmmagoldman said:Those of you who think any candidate will save you and your country are still falling for the tricks of the wealthy if you want real freedom find as many friends as you can, find some land, find a water source, and cut yourself off from this cancerous empire before it conscripts you in its next conquest of Gaulish territory. Even if you own land you are still beholden to pay fucking property taxes to the state or you loose it all. Fucking slavery. |
| ____________________________________________________ [Jan 4,2012 1:36pm - Ko...er, ah, Bill Clin-Ton ""] Yeti said: then again, i don't really care, all candidates are just Kodos and Kang in disguise. My fellow Americans: As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball. But tonight I say we must move forward, not backward; upward, not forward; and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom! |