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[QUOTE="ShadowSD:1101193"][QUOTE="Kadoog-a-go-go:1101164"]How can you defend pop music, and say it's still got good points, the production is blah blah blah, but then dismiss rap as not being music? It's the same damn thing.[/QUOTE] Nope, there is a key difference. If the rap in question is like most rap (no importance placed on the pitch of the voice or whether it clashes with the notes in the background), then it's really not appropriate to call it music, because that's not the focus of the art form; it's just poetry with background music as a secondary afterthought. Now, when someone raps with attention to pitch and how it fits with everything else, then it most certainly IS music, but otherwise it's really either poetry or more aptly some sort of poetry hybrid. After all, something with music as only one ingredient doesn't make it music; just because a film has a musical score doesn't mean the film is now a piece of music. Music has to be the prime ingredient and focus of something if the whole of it is to be considered music, not just an ingredient. Keep in mind, no matter what the genre, if you don't care AT ALL whether the notes sound like shit and have no interest in that, then is it really music? Even punk songs pick power chords that go together and yelling that's remotely in key, even the craziest jazz at least has notes that sound good to some. Purposeful dissonance is one thing, but a purposefully thorough disinterest in and ignorance of pitch disqualifies sound from being music at a certain point; it has to, or all sound would be music. Of course, there is one obvious exception - percussion - where pitch exists to a much more subdued and intangible degree than the human voice, avoiding clashes; a tom can be tuned to E and sound even better with a guitar tuned to standard, but no one's going to say to the drummer "hey you played the wrong note" if the band was tuned a half-step down and the drummer played a tom tuned to E; there would be no real clash to notice because the pitch of the drum doesn't resonate enough. The voice on the other hand has a resonant pitch to some degree unless a person is whispering, and even when people yell and growl in songs they're at some subconscious level aware of how the notes they're generating feel with the notes of the instruments. In most rap, however, clashes between the vocal pitch and background music are completely ignored, and in the eyes of the artists themselves not a basis for judging quality; therefore, judging that style of poetry hybrid as music is unfair to it just as much as it is unfair to music. [QUOTE="Kadoog-a-go-go:1101164"]How can you defend pop music, and say it's still got good points,[/QUOTE] I said just a rare few songs had good points, but those good points involve the chords, melodies, and harmonies, which sound nice to me because I like MUSIC, not people obliviously rhyming out of key notes against a background they clash with painfully and then calling it music. [/QUOTE]
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