[news] Lieberman Introduces Anti-WikiLeaks Legislation[views:24357][posts:68]_____________________________ [Dec 3,2010 5:35am - Slag ""] http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/shield/ Nothing new here, but we are the worst. Lieberman needs to be run over with a golf cart driven by a zombie JFK. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 3,2010 8:00am - the_reverend ""] Zionists unit. US law is the only thing in the world more volumnious than jewish law. |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 3,2010 9:01am - DestroyYouAlot ""] Joe Lieberman: Enemy of the Internet |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 3,2010 9:51am - TheRidersofDoom ""] Who saw this coming? I still say wikileaks is meant to be used just like 9/11 to strip people of more freedoms, only I think wikileaks is set up by and run by the CIA. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 3,2010 9:54am - Slag NLI ""] So, you're saying that you think is just a conspiriacy to bring the USA further into a police state? I'm not sure I agree. I agree that they are trying to strip our freedoms, but I don't think Wikileaks is a front. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 3,2010 9:57am - the_reverend ""] the Torah contains the 613 mitzvot (מצוות, "commandments"), which are divided into 365 restrictions and 248 positive commands. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 3,2010 10:08am - the_reverend ""] "Censorship is suppression of speech or other communication which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or inconvenient to the general body of people as determined by a government, media outlet, or other controlling body." |
| __________________________________________ [Dec 3,2010 10:10am - HeavensJail_nli ""] http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/war/jus...xt%2c-say-governments-201012033317/ |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 3,2010 10:11am - Slag NLI ""] I think that's a bullshit definition of censorship. The government (which in this case is the aggressor) should not be the one to decide what I can and cannot know. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 3,2010 10:12am - arktouros ""] TheRidersofDoom said:Who saw this coming? I still say wikileaks is meant to be used just like 9/11 to strip people of more freedoms, only I think wikileaks is set up by and run by the CIA. really dude? how can you justify the CIA literally being the antithesis of a special interest US media corporation? it's a worldwide non-profit press network and they get results. you're saying the CIA would release all the military logs of the iraq war, and half a million embassy cables over the past 40 years, corporate backroom deals, bribes, etc? absolute perpetual freedom of information is not in their interest. i'd tell you to actually read the site and see for yourself but they look like they're under another DDOS attack. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 3,2010 10:12am - Slag NLI ""] HeavensJail_nli said:http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/war/jus...xt%2c-say-governments-201012033317/ thanks for that |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 3,2010 10:14am - arktouros ""] and obviously, the CIA isn't organized enough to release the huge range and scope of their primary source material. just look at the site. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 3,2010 10:14am - Slag NLI ""] Their US based DNS server shut them down due to what they say was the DDOS traffic... was causing issues with their servers. I say the US government got to them. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 3,2010 10:16am - arktouros ""] http://213.251.145.96/ swiss server. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 3,2010 10:33am - arktouros ""] everydns.net killed them. private DNS manager. they will just be back online soon somewhere else. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 3,2010 10:54am - the_reverend ""] Slag%20NLI said:I think that's a bullshit definition of censorship. The government (which in this case is the aggressor) should not be the one to decide what I can and cannot know.So go back in time and change the meaning of the word censorship? and while you are at it, make a word that rhythms with orange. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 3,2010 11:02am - arktouros ""] nah the definition is right. the wording is a little misleading. "Censorship is the suppression of speech by anybody" is easier. |
| __________________________________________ [Dec 3,2010 11:11am - largefreakatzero ""] Lieberman is a douche. This is the same guy that made a big "stand" against zombie video games. He'll be among the first to have his brain eaten in the coming apocalypse. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 3,2010 11:22am - arktouros ""] TheRidersofDoom said:Who saw this coming? I still say wikileaks is meant to be used just like 9/11 to strip people of more freedoms, only I think wikileaks is set up by and run by the CIA. also, of course wikileaks is and will be scapegoated by the government and misguided conservatives (who are somehow against free press as an American institution) just like 9/11, as an excuse to steal more civil liberties, absolutely. but to think of it as a front? pshaw, haberdashery and outright villainy. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 3,2010 11:28am - arilliusbm ""] it is now a common belief amongst conspiracy theorists that assange is really working for the PTB in the NWO. I don't really think he is, but then again, no one really knows for sure. Personally, I think what wikileaks is doing is a good thing, because it is exposing corruption and lies (only scratching the surface, though..) I can't wait for the next leak- it will expose fraud by two major US banks. We all know the banks are a huge reason why this country is falling apart.. As they say, 'follow the money' |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 3,2010 11:40am - goatcatalyst ""] May Farfour the martyred Hamas mouse eat the Zionist dog Lieberman, I pray to Allah |
| ___________________________________________ [Dec 3,2010 12:01pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] arilliusbm said:I can't wait for the next leak- it will expose fraud by two major US banks. We all know the banks are a huge reason why this country is falling apart.. As they say, 'follow the money' hopefully those two banks are BOA and The Federal Reserve. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 3,2010 12:11pm - the_reverend ""] arktouros said:nah the definition is right. the wording is a little misleading. "Censorship is the suppression of speech by anybody" is easier.that is incorrect. You are defining it incorrectly. "Censorship is the suppression of speech by a governing body" that is more correct. You may censor me, but it takes a governing body's decision to make it censorship. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 3,2010 12:20pm - arktouros ""] So what, you need a ship for that? |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 3,2010 12:23pm - Slag NLI ""] Quote from Interview with Assange "Many weirdos email us about UFOs or how they discovered that they were the anti-christ whilst talking with their ex-wife at a garden party over a pot-plant. However, as yet they have not satisfied two of our publishing rules. 1) that the documents not be self-authored; 2) that they be original. However, it is worth noting that in yet-to-be-published parts of the cablegate archive there are indeed references to UFOs." |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 3,2010 12:33pm - Slag NLI ""] http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2010/dec/03/julian-assange-wikileaks Very good interview posted on The Guardian. |
| ______________________________ [Dec 3,2010 1:07pm - aril ""] Slag%20NLI said:Quote from Interview with Assange "Many weirdos email us about UFOs or how they discovered that they were the anti-christ whilst talking with their ex-wife at a garden party over a pot-plant. However, as yet they have not satisfied two of our publishing rules. 1) that the documents not be self-authored; 2) that they be original. However, it is worth noting that in yet-to-be-published parts of the cablegate archive there are indeed references to UFOs." awesome, never saw that quote. also, this bennyhillifier |
| ______________________________ [Dec 4,2010 10:06am - Slag ""] http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0415723720101204 Paypal suspends Wikileaks account. I'm done with paypal. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 4,2010 10:39am - DomesticTerror ""] the_reverend said: Slag%20NLI said:I think that's a bullshit definition of censorship. The government (which in this case is the aggressor) should not be the one to decide what I can and cannot know.So go back in time and change the meaning of the word censorship? and while you are at it, make a word that rhythms with orange. doorhinge. know your drinking games, bucko. |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 6,2010 6:24pm - My_Dying_Bride ""] I've been a bit ignorant to the headlines lately and actually just found out what this wikileaks shit is about... now i know why its a big deal... I've noticed on the mainstream media networks that they mainly focus on the Assange guy but not what specifically unfolded... So thanks RTTP for letting me know specifics.... btw.... this may be old, but I wonder what percentage of these corporate endorsers/supporters were blackmailed? |
| __________________________________________ [Dec 6,2010 11:15pm - Headbanging Man ""] I am on the fence about Assange and WL... He may be a spook, he may be legit... Of course, the latter might mean that he and the site are be innocent dupes, an unwitting channel through which the military-intelligence axis releases select information or creates and controls a limited channel of dissent. He need not be a direct agent of the CIA or Pentagon in order for his work to serve their purpose. Though much of the activity probably moved outside of the original channels by the end of the 1970's, it's well known that the FBI, CIA, and military intelligence agencies were involved with direct suppression of political dissent, during the Cold War, and since; the use of sheep-dipped spies and provocateurs for the monitoring and entrapment of various leftist, civil rights, and populist groups (ala COINTELPRO) from the Red Scares of the early 20th century through today's ongoing repression of anti-war, anti-globalization, pro-ecology, etc. groups by the same agencies and methods, and the manufactured terrorist threats that have sustained the anti-civil liberties, anti-Muslim, pro-war climate in the country since 9/11. Less documented, but equally troublesome, phony leftist academics, opinionators, aid-workers, activists, etc. have at times been supported (by the CIA especially) in efforts to steer and corral a portion of the left away from radical ideologies and into a more mainstream, "liberal"/"progressive" mindset that of course was strictly anti-Communist, and supportive of the American economic empire (even if ostensibly anti-war/militarism). In addition to helping to shape general opinion to match its goals, the military-intelligence axis has always sought to have direct influence within the full "legitimate" (i.e. non-radical/manageable/pro-global-capitalist) political spectrum, and this required contacts and agents within academia, the mainstream press, the (allegedly) independent press, NGOs/foundations, citizen's groups, unions, political parties, etc. in order to maintain influence over the liberal portion of the spectrum (the conservative portion being more naturally allied with the M-I axis, it did not require so much covert attention as overt alliances and propaganda). In addition to shaping and controlling the form of popular dissent against the status quo, these sponsored opinionators have also been useful for more basic spooky purposes, like the aforementioned monitoring and data collection against leftist groups and individuals, and the dissemination of disinformation. Unfortunately, the available information on the CIA's Operation Mockingbird is a bit slim, but makes it pretty clear that the Agency was heavily invested in making sure a wide-range of publications and media outlets were working towards what it believed to be "American interests" through the 1950's and 60's. It would be silly to believe that it stopped there, regardless of what other names the program may have operated under since. As far as Assange, I see two significant points against his credibility: - Anti-9/11 truth comments (though this could certainly a matter of his ignorance/not having taking the trouble to examine the forensic and eyewitness evidence). - Massive amount of mass media exposure in the US (on TV, no less!)... Most major whistle-blowers are lucky to get attention in the New York Times (Sibel Edmonds is still waiting!), much less on the heinously dumbed down infotainment-casts that pass for TV news. This is hardly a rock solid case against Wikileaks or Assange himself, of course, but it's quite clear that the corporate mass media in the US, so inextricably linked with the aforementioned M-I axis, is using the Wikileaks "scandal" for its own propagandic/disinformational purposes, or he wouldn't be getting so much friggin air time! Likewise, I remain skeptical about Daniel Ellsberg, who may himself have been well-meaning, but whose release of the Pentagon Papers helped to whitewash the CIA's involvement in Vietnam and the international drug trade. In both cases, the selective emphasis and editing provided by the MSM is enough to create the illusion of anti-war activity without spilling anything too vital or detrimental. (Admittedly, I have not yet myself dug through the Wikileaks documents, so it's possible the juiciest bits have indeed seen the light, but I'm sure most American media consumers don't even ponder this point). In short, regardless of actual motives, and regardless of what Wikileaks makes available to curious readers, the Wikileaks controversy must be viewed as a textbook example of a limited hangout, and taken with a grain of salt. |
| __________________________________________ [Dec 6,2010 11:16pm - Headbanging Man ""] Oh yeah, and fuck Joe Lieberman and the stupid Connecticut yarmulke he road in on! |
| __________________________________________ [Dec 6,2010 11:16pm - Headbanging Man ""] *rode |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 7,2010 8:23am - SkinSandwich ""] The Wikileaks owner Assange was just arrested in London on Sex assault charges. lulz..... He said it is part of an "elaborate conspiracy." Bullshit, he got his dinky stinky with the wrong whore and now is busted for it. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 7,2010 8:25am - Slag NLI ""] If you actually read the information, you'd see that it was a fairly obscure charge and that it was consensual. He wasn't arrested either, he turned himself in to face the charges. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 7,2010 8:26am - SkinSandwich ""] Slag%20NLI said:If you actually read the information, you'd see that it was a fairly obscure charge and that it was consensual. He wasn't arrested either, he turned himself in to face the charges. I was just going by what the news said this morning because I am just a drone. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 7,2010 10:07am - arktouros ""] i'm skeptical the CIA's influence reaches that far. even with plants ranging from academia to independent press and NGOs...they might have a huge sprawling network of informants but how efficient is it and how effective would they even be on an individual level? even if the CIA has plants within wikileaks, the network itself is self-correcting by nature, and they will ultimately not give much result. assange is the public face of the network, he is not wikileaks. he's getting so much airtime on MSM because they are trying to discredit his organization, and really their reaction is so predictable, his face sells better than the scoops they release. the CIA is not this effective, and i'm sure they're jealous of how much wikileaks has accomplished, their resume isn't so flawless. ripped from the about section on WL, there are so many scoops outside the realm of even the CIA's interest that any connection is so far-fetched - 2.2 Some of the stories we have broken * War, killings, torture and detention * Government, trade and corporate transparency * Suppression of free speech and a free press * Diplomacy, spying and (counter-)intelligence * Ecology, climate, nature and sciences * Corruption, finance, taxes, trading * Censorship technology and internet filtering * Cults and other religious organizations * Abuse, violence, violation War, killings, torture and detention * Changes in Guantanamo Bay SOP manual (2003-2004) - Guantanamo Bay's main operations manuals * Of Orwell, Wikipedia and Guantanamo Bay - In where we track down and expose Guantanamo Bay's propaganda team * Fallujah jail challenges US - Classified U.S. report into appalling prison conditions in Fallujah * U.S lost Fallujah's info war - Classified U.S. intelligence report on the battle of Fallujah, Iraq * US Military Equipment in Iraq (2007) - Entire unit by unit equipment list of the U.S army in Iraq * Dili investigator called to Canberra as evidence of execution mounts - the Feb 2008 killing of East Timor rebel leader Reinado * Como entrenar a escuadrones de la muerte y aplastar revoluciones de El Salvador a Iraq - The U.S. Special Forces manual on how to prop up unpopular government with paramilitaries Government, trade and corporate transparency * Change you can download: a billion in secret Congressional reports - Publication of more than 6500 Congressional Research Reports, worth more than a billion dollars of US tax-funded research, long sought after by NGOs, academics and researchers * ACTA trade agreement negotiation lacks transparency - The secret ACTA trade agreement draft, followed by dozens of other publications, presenting the initial leak for the whole ACTA debate happening today * Toll Collect Vertraege, 2002 - Publication of around 10.000 pages of a secret contract between the German federal government and the Toll Collect consortium, a private operator group for heavy vehicle tolling system * Leaked documents suggest European CAP reform just a whitewash - European farm reform exposed * Stasi still in charge of Stasi files - Suppressed 2007 investigation into infiltration of former Stasi into the Stasi files commission * IGES Schlussbericht Private Krankenversicherung, 25 Jan 2010 - Hidden report on the economics of the German private health insurance system and its rentability Suppression of free speech and a free press * The Independent: Toxic Shame: Thousands injured in African city, 17 Sep 2009 - Publication of an article originally published in UK newspaper The Independent, but censored from the Independent's website. WikiLeaks has saved dozens of articles, radio and tv recordings from disappearing after having been censored from BBC, Guardian, and other major news organisations archives. * Secret gag on UK Times preventing publication of Minton report into toxic waste dumping, 16 Sep 2009 - Publication of variations of a so-called super-injunction, one of many gag-orders published by WikiLeaks to expose successful attempts to suppress the free press via repressive legal attacks * Media suppression order over Turks and Caicos Islands Commission of Inquiry corruption report, 20 Jul 2009 - Exposure of a press gagging order from the Turks and Caicos Islands, related to WikiLeaks exposure of the Commission of Inquiry corruption report * Bermuda's Premier Brown and the BCC bankdraft - Brown went to the Privy council London to censor the press in Bermuda * How German intelligence infiltrated Focus magazine - Illegal spying on German journalists Diplomacy, spying and (counter-)intelligence * U.S. Intelligence planned to destroy WikiLeaks, 18 Mar 2008 - Classified (SECRET/NOFORN) 32 page U.S. counterintelligence investigation into WikiLeaks. Has been in the worldwide news. * CIA report into shoring up Afghan war support in Western Europe, 11 Mar 2010 - This classified CIA analysis from March, outlines possible PR-strategies to shore up public support in Germany and France for a continued war in Afghanistan. Received international news coverage in print, radio and TV. * U.S. Embassy profiles on Icelandic PM, Foreign Minister, Ambassador - Publication of personal profiles for briefing documents for U.S. officials visiting Iceland. While lowly classified are interesting for subtle tone and internal facts. * Cross-border clashes from Iraq O.K. - Classified documents reveal destabalizing U.S. military rules * Tehran Warns US Forces against Chasing Suspects into Iran - Iran warns the United States over classified document on WikiLeaks * Inside Somalia and the Union of Islamic Courts - Vital strategy documents in the Somali war and a play for Chinese support Ecology, climate, nature and sciences * Draft Copenhagen climate change agreement, 8 Dec 2009 - Confidential draft "circle of commitment" (rich-country) Copenhagen climate change agreement * Draft Copenhagen Accord Dec 18, 2009 - Three page draft Copehagen "accord", from around Friday 7pm, Dec 18, 2009; includes pen-markings * Climatic Research Unit emails, data, models, 1996-2009 - Over 60MB of emails, documents, code and models from the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, written between 1996 and 2009 that lead to a worldwide debate * The Monju nuclear reactor leak - Three suppressed videos from Japan's fast breeder reactor Monju revealing the true extent of the 1995 sodium coolant disaster Corruption, finance, taxes, trading * The looting of Kenya under President Moi - $3,000,000,000 presidential corruption exposed; swung the Dec 2007 Kenyan election, long document, be patient * Gusmao's $15m rice deal alarms UN - Rice deal corruption in East Timor * How election violence was financed - the embargoed Kenyan Human Rights Commission report into the Jan 2008 killings of over 1,300 Kenyans * Financial collapse: Confidential exposure analysis of 205 companies each owing above EUR45M to Icelandic bank Kaupthing, 26 Sep 2008 - Publication of a confidential report that has lead to hundreds of newspaper articles worldwide * Barclays Bank gags Guardian over leaked memos detailing offshore tax scam, 16 Mar 2009 - Publication of censored documents revealing a number of elaborate international tax avoidance schemes by the SCM (Structured Capital Markets) division of Barclays * Bank Julius Baer: Grand Larceny via Grand Cayman - How the largest private Swiss bank avoids paying tax to the Swiss government * Der Fall Moonstone Trust - Cayman Islands Swiss bank trust exposed * Over 40 billion euro in 28167 claims made against the Kaupthing Bank, 23 Jan 2010 - List of Kaupthing claimants after Icelandic banking crash * Northern Rock vs. WikiLeaks - Northern Rock Bank UK failed legal injunctions over the ¡Ì24,000,000,000 collapse * Whistleblower exposes insider trading program at JP Morgan - Legal insider trading in three easy steps, brought to you by JP Morgan and the SEC Censorship technology and internet filtering * Eutelsat suppresses independent Chinese-language TV station NTDTV to satisfy Beijing - French sat provider Eutelsat covertly removed an anti-communist TV channel to satisfy Beijing * Internet Censorship in Thailand - The secret internet censorship lists of Thailand's military junta Cults and other religious organizations * Church of Scientology's 'Operating Thetan' documents leaked online - Scientology's secret, and highly litigated bibles * Censored Legion de Cristo and Regnum Cristi document collection - Censored internal documents from the Catholic sect Legion de Cristo (Legion of Christ) * US Department of Labor investigation into Landmark Education, 2006 - 2006 investigative report by the U.S. Department of Labor on Landmark Education Abuse, violence, violation * Report on Shriners raises question of wrongdoing - corruption exposed at 22 U.S. and Canadian children's hospitals. * Claims of molestation resurface for US judo official * Texas Catholic hospitals did not follow Catholic ethics, report claims - Catholic hospitals violated catholic ethics |
| ______________________________ [Dec 7,2010 10:46am - Yeti ""] We are falling over the ends of the earth So gather your sons and daughters before you And tell them that these are the final days of all Preach to the paupers And sing to the slaves I see you've chosen to loose your faith To burn your bridges and lose your way From mountain top to valley deep From shore to cursed shore What Nation, what State what Land is this? The wretched Tribe of Nero... Sing Sing Sing to the Slaves Sing to the Slaves that Rome Burns Are our bones not dust? Is our Blood not Poison? On my knees in the black light Praying for Salvation, bitter Redemption So throw your dice and cast your shadow You may look away But your children will not... |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 9,2010 3:39pm - Headbanging Man ""] arktouros said:i'm skeptical the CIA's influence reaches that far. even with plants ranging from academia to independent press and NGOs...they might have a huge sprawling network of informants but how efficient is it and how effective would they even be on an individual level? even if the CIA has plants within wikileaks, the network itself is self-correcting by nature, and they will ultimately not give much result. assange is the public face of the network, he is not wikileaks. he's getting so much airtime on MSM because they are trying to discredit his organization, and really their reaction is so predictable, his face sells better than the scoops they release. the CIA is not this effective, and i'm sure they're jealous of how much wikileaks has accomplished, their resume isn't so flawless. ripped from the about section on WL, there are so many scoops outside the realm of even the CIA's interest that any connection is so far-fetched - Mostly I agree, though I wouldn't say the connection is far-fetched. I'm not sure whether Collateral Murder really "went viral" of its own accord or whether that was introduced into the MSM dialogue with the conscious approval of the ruling elite, but there is obviously a genuine element in Wikileaks, and it's extraordinarily unlikely that Assange is working for any intelligence agency. That said, whether before the hype of Collateral Murder or after, I think it's safe to assume that US intelligence agencies have, since realizing the potential threat of the site, worked not only to discredit WL in the media/congress/courts, but to infiltrate and influence WL. At the very least, I am sure they have tried to be in a position to actively monitor the group to anticipate upcoming document dumps and be sure that the mass media has the official Pentagon spin even BEFORE WL can release a new batch of documents. It's impossible to determine the level of their success in this, but from the uniformity of coverage in major US outlets, I would say that the "threat" has been largely contained, as far as the domestic US populace is concerned. At the very least, it must be understood that the US establishment, defined to include the upper echelons of the political system, the military, the intelligence agencies, the business class, State department, etc. is constantly engaged in active political counterintelligence, both abroad and domestically. Even if a threat like Wikileaks cannot be entirely neutralized, the sort of defamation campaign that is going on with Assange is almost always matched by a "capture" campaign, to try to bring the group into the veal pen of "the Washington consensus", while sustaining the illusion of dissent. Here's a little something quite suggestive about JA's rape-accuser, which certainly suggests that WL (or at least the more visible and horny Assange) is not above infiltration: http://www.counterpunch.org/shamir09142010.html While there's certainly no direct paper trail from the CIA to Anna Ardin, it's certainly revealing to read of her involvement in la causa, the CIA's bete noir for close to 52 years now... |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 9,2010 3:49pm - arilliusbm ""] There's no doubt she has ties with the CIA.. |
| _____________________________ [Dec 9,2010 3:50pm - ark ""] Even more real is her prosecution's total lack of evidence. |
| ______________________________ [Dec 10,2010 5:34am - Slag ""] [img] This is what i'm fucking talking about. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 10,2010 6:54am - Slag NLI ""] http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/..._leakspin_read_cables_expose_truth/ Also on reddit. This is really an excellent, non violent way to get the message out to the drones. I'm sure some high profile guys are going to do their best to get this on the mass media once better organized. |
| _______________________________ [Dec 14,2010 11:47am - ark ""] Assange released on bail, under house arrest. http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6BD37720101214 |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 14,2010 11:58am - Slag NLI ""] he's at risk now. We've got some fuckwit trying to kill him, for certain. |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 14,2010 12:29pm - goatcatalyst ""] By "fuckwit", do you mean CIA / FBI / governmental goon? He should hire expensive protection. And have a railgun by his side. And if he gets offed, set it up to really put the fuckin' on. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 14,2010 12:39pm - Slag NLI ""] http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/12/13/julian...-for-times-person-of-the-year-2010/ Guess who won the reader's choice portion. |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 14,2010 12:47pm - goatcatalyst ""] All we really need to kick-start this revolutions is for a handful of random-ass, everyday motherfuckers to start slaughtering gov't officials, politicians, media figures, bankers and CEOs. Ooooo ra! |
| ______________________________ [Dec 14,2010 3:32pm - Slag ""] http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-fri...ends-blog/why-im-posting-bail-money This dude rules. |
| __________________________________________ [Dec 14,2010 7:39pm - Headbanging Man ""] ark said:Assange released on bail, under house arrest. http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6BD37720101214 Not anymore, looks like the article has been updated. "Assange back in jail as Sweden appeals bail" |
| __________________________________________ [Dec 14,2010 8:12pm - Headbanging Man ""] Slag said:http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-fri...ends-blog/why-im-posting-bail-money This dude rules. I like Moore sometimes, and very much like what he has to say about supporting Wikileaks, but there's some serious retardation here: I ask you to imagine how much different our world would be if WikiLeaks had existed 10 years ago. Take a look at this photo. That's Mr. Bush about to be handed a "secret" document on August 6th, 2001. Its heading read: "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US." And on those pages it said the FBI had discovered "patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings." Mr. Bush decided to ignore it and went fishing for the next four weeks. But if that document had been leaked, how would you or I have reacted? What would Congress or the FAA have done? Was there not a greater chance that someone, somewhere would have done something if all of us knew about bin Laden's impending attack using hijacked planes? But back then only a few people had access to that document. Because the secret was kept, a flight school instructor in San Diego who noticed that two Saudi students took no interest in takeoffs or landings, did nothing. Had he read about the bin Laden threat in the paper, might he have called the FBI? (Please read this essay by former FBI Agent Coleen Rowley, Time's 2002 co-Person of the Year, about her belief that had WikiLeaks been around in 2001, 9/11 might have been prevented.) While it certainly is interesting to speculate about what effects a Coleen Rowley or John O'Neill might have had through a leak to the media, the best case scenario I can imagine is that they would expose a handful of the potential patsies. But if Moussaoui was an alleged "20th hijacker", it's hard not to imagine that there were other patsies already in the US and ready to step in if needed. Just as the co-conspirators could not legitimately expect the patsies to have the skills to fly into the selected targets (and thus resorted to ROV/UAV technology), so would it have been foolish to gamble such a crucial operation on the presence of 19 alleged jihadists, any of whom could have been arrested or deported before the operation commenced. But then, Michael Moore doesn't have the fortitude to challenge the Standard Democrat's 9/11 Myth that the executive branch merely was incompetent in the face of a terrorist threat. Unfortunately, Mike is an enabler. Great for him to buck Official Democrat Policy on the WL front, but at the end of the day, he'll be Judas-goating for Obama and the shitty right-wingers that rule his party as soon as the next national elections approach. It's a shame how many prominent "progressives" are willing to capitulate to lesser-of-two-evils thinking when push comes to shove. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 15,2010 1:52am - TheRidersofDoom ""] All non-establishment political movements are swallowed up into one of the two heads of the twin-dragon that dominates the land by the time the big election comes every 4 years the populist movement of the 1880s was swallowed into the democratic party and forever disappeared, they fought to free farmers from the de facto slavery system of the crop lien, outrageous loans, etc. The progressive movement which was neither republican or democrat was split in twain and swallowed by both the labor movement was split in twain and half was swallowed by the democrats the other half still lives on in the socialist/communist/anarchist movements the closest this nation has ever come to breaking the grip of the neo-nobles was with Eugene Debs who ran for president but lost because of the war breaking out. Even today the tea party, which started out as a non-partisan group of anti-neocons has been subverted and turned into the political arm of fox news and has drowned out the original sane voices with the insane war-hawk squawking of racism, jingoistic nationalism, and born-again fundamentalism. How many tea-party/republicans would change their political party if they found out every founding father was a non-christian in the sense of how they see themselves as christians, in fact even madison and jefferson took every chance they could to insult and mock establishment christianity. Separation of Church and state works both ways, no government interference in church and no interference of church in the government...which obviously hasn't worked out seeing that abortion is still a hot topic and stem cell research doesn't receive as much funding as it should. P.S. Legalize weed, chill out war-mongers. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 15,2010 2:00am - Randy_Marsh ""] I LOVE MYATT |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 15,2010 7:03am - Slag NLI ""] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/12/breaking-news-eff-victory-appeals-court-holds "In a landmark decision issued today in the criminal appeal of U.S. v. Warshak, the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled that the government must have a search warrant before it can secretly seize and search emails stored by email service providers" |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 15,2010 7:31am - SkinSandwich ""] This country has been lulled to sleep, and without most of us realizing it we are spiraling into a police state and losing our freedoms gradually. To me it already feels like a police state. Good times. Gotta love the modern Gestapo. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 15,2010 7:36am - Slag NLI ""] [img] |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 15,2010 7:37am - Slag NLI ""] For the record, I completely agree. I feel the beginnings of an awakening in the people (some of us). |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 15,2010 7:40am - Slag NLI ""] http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/w...ncedes/story-fn775xjq-1225971508634 The world is going to start turning on the USA, one by one. The proverbial "house of cards" is going to tumble and I can't fucking wait. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 15,2010 7:44am - SkinSandwich ""] Slag%20NLI said:[img] Awesome..... |
| ______________________________ [Dec 15,2010 8:57am - ark ""] Agreed. But remember McCarthyism gentlemen. We don't have the gestapo banging down your door for investigation into your father's communist meetings, not yet. |
| ______________________________ [Dec 15,2010 8:58am - ark ""] Slag%20NLI said:https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/12/breaking-news-eff-victory-appeals-court-holds "In a landmark decision issued today in the criminal appeal of U.S. v. Warshak, the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled that the government must have a search warrant before it can secretly seize and search emails stored by email service providers" that is huge. I <3 the EFF. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 15,2010 10:23am - Doomkid ""] TheRidersofDoom said:All non-establishment political movements are swallowed up into one of the two heads of the twin-dragon that dominates the land by the time the big election comes every 4 years the populist movement of the 1880s was swallowed into the democratic party and forever disappeared, they fought to free farmers from the de facto slavery system of the crop lien, outrageous loans, etc. The progressive movement which was neither republican or democrat was split in twain and swallowed by both the labor movement was split in twain and half was swallowed by the democrats the other half still lives on in the socialist/communist/anarchist movements the closest this nation has ever come to breaking the grip of the neo-nobles was with Eugene Debs who ran for president but lost because of the war breaking out. Even today the tea party, which started out as a non-partisan group of anti-neocons has been subverted and turned into the political arm of fox news and has drowned out the original sane voices with the insane war-hawk squawking of racism, jingoistic nationalism, and born-again fundamentalism. How many tea-party/republicans would change their political party if they found out every founding father was a non-christian in the sense of how they see themselves as christians, in fact even madison and jefferson took every chance they could to insult and mock establishment christianity. Separation of Church and state works both ways, no government interference in church and no interference of church in the government...which obviously hasn't worked out seeing that abortion is still a hot topic and stem cell research doesn't receive as much funding as it should. P.S. Legalize weed, chill out war-mongers. I like this post. Jefferson's Bible FTW. |
| _______________________________ [Dec 15,2010 10:33am - ark ""] Yeah, every citizen no matter what their political leanings for beliefs tell them, own EVERYTHING to progressive movements of the past, every generation has them...unfortunately, 2 steps forward and 3 steps back for every generation. We're done this before, so many times. |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 15,2010 10:39am - goatcatalyst ""] murder someone. make a difference |
| __________________________________ [Dec 15,2010 11:24am - brodown ""] While it certainly is interesting to speculate about what effects a Coleen Rowley or John O'Neill might have had through a leak to the media, the best case scenario I can imagine is that they would expose a handful of the potential patsies. But if Moussaoui was an alleged "20th hijacker", it's hard not to imagine that there were other patsies already in the US and ready to step in if needed. Just as the co-conspirators could not legitimately expect the patsies to have the skills to fly into the selected targets (and thus resorted to ROV/UAV technology), so would it have been foolish to gamble such a crucial operation on the presence of 19 alleged jihadists, any of whom could have been arrested or deported before the operation commenced. I'm always 50/50 on Mike Moore--he's got some valid points, but he's such a douche that I find him hard to back sometimes...but that's neither here nor there... Did you happen to read the Rowley & O'Neill article that Moore linked to? Its one thing for Moore to speculate, but they both seem to think that if a WikiLeaks-like option would have existed, they may have been able to affect the 9/11 plot in a significant way. |
| ______________________________ [Dec 15,2010 5:00pm - ark ""] the full wikileaks site is back online with the entire collection of worldwide docs. http://www.wikileaks.org |
| ______________________________ [Dec 15,2010 11:07pm - HTR ""] Wikileaks + Soros connection = front |
| ______________________________________________ [Dec 15,2010 11:26pm - Woah!_Shut_It_Down! ""] Is it true the KKK can still receive PayPal payments? Good work, America! |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 16,2010 12:52pm - Slag NLI ""] http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/obama-a...ll-phones-overturned-federal-court/ Federal court blocks Obama Administration attempt to spy on cell phones without a warrant Another victory for the people. |