ATTN: ARIL[views:18555][posts:78]_________________________________ [Jan 10,2011 3:15pm - Martins ""] Thinking I might want to get into 8-bit tracking. Any tips on how to get started? |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 10,2011 3:24pm - arilliusbm ""] funny you mention that, I was working on two songs this morning. it really depends on what you want to do with it. if you want to make your own sine/square/triangle/etc wave samples from scratch, that'd be cool. a lot of chiptune artists make their own samples. I used to make them, but don't have the program to do that anymore. i'm not sure if you're looking for a newer program to make the songs (fruity loops/reason, etc), but I'm still using good ol' Impulse Tracker. There's a nice port for newer windows called Schism Tracker that I'd highly recommend. It's not as good as the original IT (yet) but it still gets the job done. I made that SuperBOVA Explosion song in IT: bennyhillifier I can also send you samples of sine waves, etc if you'd like |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 10,2011 3:26pm - arilliusbm ""] get schism tracker and download some chiptune songs from the mod archive to see how they do it. http://modarchive.org/ you can filter out the database to display chiptune songs. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 10,2011 3:29pm - arilliusbm ""] I miss Impulse Tracker when used to its full extent. You really need a Windows 95/98 computer to have it work correctly. DOS Box doesn't do it right. bennyhillifier |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 10,2011 3:35pm - arilliusbm ""] also, IT is awesome for writing music, pre metal. Valfar from Windir wrote all of his songs (off of the first 3 albums I believe) on Fast Tracker, another module maker. Shit was huge in Scandinavia in the mid 90s. One of my favorite artists from Future Crew (designed fast tracker/scream tracker) went on to write music for videogames. http://www.futurecrew.org/skaven/ I used to write music for a game with this guy who went by Mazedude. He was unbelievable at it. http://mazedude.com/music/ . Looks like he's still alive and kicking. If you want to learn the quick way, study their IT files |
| _________________________________ [Jan 10,2011 4:01pm - Martins ""] SuperBOVA is fun. That second video/song is sick. I really just want to make cool sounds and then use them in a musical context. Just DLed Schism Tracker. I'll check out some of the songs with it. Thanks. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 10,2011 5:07pm - Boozegood ""] Nobody uses LSDJ? It's mega-hard to find a cartridge these days, it seems. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 10,2011 5:13pm - Martins ""] I originally was going to go with LSDJ and use it in my old gameboy color (if I could find it) or my gameboy advanced that can still play GB games but ya it's impossible to find |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 10,2011 5:15pm - Boozegood ""] Martins said:I originally was going to go with LSDJ and use it in my old gameboy color (if I could find it) or my gameboy advanced that can still play GB games but ya it's impossible to find Even more gangster: use Super-Gameboy for big-screen-fun-times-USA. [img] |
| __________________________________ [Jan 11,2011 11:26am - Martins ""] Aril, how do I get started with schism tracker. Can't really figure it out. Anything I could read to figure out what to do first? |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 11,2011 11:40am - arilliusbm ""] it took me 3 years to figure it out, lol. there used to be a site called "the zen of tracking" but I can't seem to find it. looks like it may be down. if you want, try searching for it.. it may turn up. basically what you want to do is get samples/instruments first and foremost. you can do this by download packs, making your own, or just straight up ripping them from other songs. F2 = patterns F3= samples F4 = instruments (better than straight samples IMO. most trackers use instruments now. some instruments are a combination of samples) F5 = play F8 = stop basically all the F buttons have a feature. you'll be spending most of your time in the pattern maker to write the music. just make sure you have instruments set up. i'd recommend going back to the modarchive site and download 10-15 songs to get a wide variety of instruments. you can also study the songs to see how the trackers did it. It seems overly complicated, but it's like riding a bike once you figure it out. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 11,2011 11:58am - AndrewBastard ""] old news |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 11,2011 12:05pm - arilliusbm ""] AndrewBastard said:old news it is old news. it's 2011, this stuff was popular in 1995 :( |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 11,2011 12:12pm - ancient master ""] Ive been using renoise heres one of mine bennyhillifier |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 11,2011 12:46pm - arilliusbm ""] nice stuff man. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 11,2011 12:47pm - arilliusbm ""] my ambient project using keyboards+impulse tracker. someone uploaded a song from the 2005 demo: bennyhillifier |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 11,2011 1:36pm - ancient master ""] intense....how do you get those drumrolls to sound so realistic? |
| _______________________________ [Jan 11,2011 3:18pm - aril ""] I have a sample of a drumroll and also one of the same snare being hit. So I combine them to make it sound real |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 11,2011 4:56pm - ancient master ""] I want to try and do more ambient martial sounds....where can I get good free samples? Ive looked around a bit, but I want to find like some ethnic instruments, and some really full deep sounding bass drum. I got a timpani sample which seems pretty cool sounding |
| _______________________________ [Jan 11,2011 5:03pm - aril ""] Hmm when I get home tonight I could upload some. The best thing to do is to order or by sample CDs. They still make them. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 12,2011 11:46am - ancient master ""] bennyhillifier |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 12,2011 12:32pm - Slag NLI ""] Ill post a bunch of links when I get home. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 12,2011 12:40pm - aril ""] hey slag, looks like the NEBM Fb group is making a NEBM comp. ruh roh |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 12,2011 12:45pm - Slag NLI ""] That's cool. The more power to the scene. I'll be in communication to see what we can do to combine efforts. |
| _______________________________ [Jan 12,2011 2:46pm - aril ""] Martins, I just did a simple chiptune song in Schism so you can see how it's done (to a basic level). took about 30-40 minutes. I kept the bassline the same throughout.. so it's basically just a jam on that. CURIOUS ABOUT IMPULSE TRACKER here's the mp3: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3SYN6PCI and the IT file so you can see how I did it: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=W7HFXPXO |
| _________________________________ [Jan 12,2011 8:03pm - Martins ""] Thanks. I'll check it out. I'm having some trouble figuring out how to have multiple instruments/samples play at the same time or how to change them. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 12,2011 8:05pm - Martins ""] lol nice song title |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 12,2011 10:02pm - ancient master ""] wow this is awesome dude. its a real fucking great composition. I used to use IT in highschool, but I never reached that level of complexity. I think I focus too much on rhythm, and not enough on melody |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 12,2011 10:16pm - arilliusbm ""] i dont know man, that shit you did is pretty cool too. i like it a lot. thanks, though. i've been using IT for a loooong time so it's pretty much embedded in my brain. I just wish I could play guitar as good as I can track. never going to happen |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 12,2011 10:30pm - Boozegood ""] http://www.myspace.com/haruspex not 8-bit, except some samples, which is FAYKE I guess. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 12,2011 10:36pm - arilliusbm ""] good stuff. i like the glitchy parts |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 12,2011 10:36pm - Boozegood ""] Boozegood said:http://www.myspace.com/haruspex not 8-bit, except some samples, which is FAYKE I guess. Wow this shits pretty krap haha, have not listened in ages. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 12,2011 10:37pm - Boozegood ""] arilliusbm said:good stuff. i like the glitchy parts Thanks mate, but upon re-listening it was definitely mostly experimentation and not much actually making structured tunes. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 12,2011 10:46pm - arilliusbm ""] bennyhillifier some experimental instrumental hiphop(?) thing I did a while back using 8bit waves. don't care if I lose 10,000 kvlt points for making this shit haha |
| ______________________________ [Jan 13,2011 7:18am - Slag ""] http://www.freesound.org/index.php This is where I go for any "found" type sounds. All you need to do is sign up. Throw em a couple bucks once in awhile. Here's a long winded ambient track Arillius and I collab'ed on http://www.mediafire.com/?8ldh2z73taa2ef9 |
| ______________________________ [Jan 13,2011 7:22am - Slag ""] I have an album too. Link is dead. I use FL Studio. Haven't touched it in quite sometime. If anyone needs help creating sounds, let me know. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 13,2011 11:40am - aril ""] Free sound is great, but I still don't think it compares to the sample CDs that are released every now and then. Slags solo album is the shit |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 13,2011 1:01pm - arilliusbm ""] slag, we need more collabs or GTFO |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 13,2011 4:59pm - Martins NLI ""] I mastered all of these programs now. Thanks guys. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 18,2011 12:47am - ancient master ""] bennyhillifier |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 18,2011 12:59am - arilliusbm ""] nice... what program did you use to make that? |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 18,2011 1:59am - ancient master ""] renoise |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 8,2011 2:44am - arilliusbm ""] attn: martins... how are you doing with Impulse Tracker? did you really master it? just uploaded an older metalish song I did in impulse tracker that was heavily inspired by the blades of steel NES theme lulz bennyhillifier bennyhillifier |
| ________________________________ [Feb 8,2011 9:06am - Martins ""] I couldn't understand Impulse Tracker at ALL so I tried going the flstudio way. Kind of a cop out, I suppose, but it's fun fucking around with the Commodore 64 VST. I've written a few shitty tracks. |
| ____________________________________ [Feb 8,2011 10:21am - arilliusbm ""] Martins said: so I tried going the flstudio way. your arrested |
| _________________________________ [Feb 8,2011 11:56am - Martins ""] I know I know. I'm in it for the sounds not for the crazy retro aspect. Old games are good not because they're old but because they're good. Old music is good not because it's old but because it's good. I made music with the sounds I wanted, now I'm happy. |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 8,2011 12:03pm - goatcatalyst ""] Just you frivolous bastards wait til my minimalist giallo holocaust ejaculates its fanciful blackwax... |
| ____________________________________ [Feb 8,2011 12:07pm - arilliusbm ""] Yes but those kind of programs do the work for you, not the other way around. Limits creativity IMHO |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 8,2011 12:10pm - goatcatalyst ""] Giallo works for me. And by "me", I mean Vesuvio Cerutti |
| _________________________________ [Feb 8,2011 12:18pm - Martins ""] How do they do the work for me? Takes a long time to get a sound you like and then you still have to write it out in the piano roll. Or at least, that's how I do it. The main thing it's useful for is writing things in chunks and then copypasta-ing those chunks if you want them on other sections. I haven't really used the sequencing portion of flstudio. If you want to check out my "best" track so far: http://soundcloud.com/thefloatercreative/8bit3# |
| _________________________________ [Feb 8,2011 12:20pm - Martins ""] Also, not chiptune because I was way more than 4 channels. |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 8,2011 12:42pm - Slag NLI ""] arilliusbm said:Yes but those kind of programs do the work for you, not the other way around. Limits creativity IMHO This is a false statement. FL does not limit creativity. Example? - any electronic thing i've ever produced has been done in FL. Now that I know how to use the program fully, I can make anything I desire. The only features it doesn't do as well as it should are recording and automation. |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 8,2011 1:18pm - arilliusbm ""] Martins, the link wasn't working. I think you guys are missing the point I was making. Granted, Impulse Tracker is much more primitive than FL because it's older. But that is what I mean - you have to program everything you do. You have complete control over everything you're doing, and this makes the learning curve high. That's why you had to switch to FL.. it takes a long time to fully understand the program, and how to program effects and everything into it. I dabbled in FL for a few years and couldn't stand it. I actually preferred Reason over FL, even though they aren't really the same. My biggest complaint with FL is that I felt it was too easy. I don't like having everything laid out in front of me. Tracking music is all numbers and programming and thus, feels more free. The primitive aspect of it makes it more genuine in my opinion, but I haven't touched FL in about 3-4 years so I'm not sure what the newest version is like. It's over-simplified with a short learning curve. Descending numbers and letters > Piano Roll, ANYDAY! |
| _____________________________ [Feb 8,2011 1:24pm - ark ""] Different tools for different jobs assholes. I don't have the patience for tracking, good thing I have a drumset. |
| _____________________________ [Feb 8,2011 1:29pm - ark ""] 8 bit tracking program for 8 bit tracks, FL studio for good tracks, PROBLEM SALVED. |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 8,2011 1:29pm - arilliusbm ""] arilliusbm said:Martins, the link wasn't working. I think you guys are missing the point I was making. Granted, Impulse Tracker is much more primitive than FL because it's older. But that is what I mean - you have to program everything you do. You have complete control over everything you're doing, and this makes the learning curve high. That's why you had to switch to FL.. it takes a long time to fully understand the program, and how to program effects and everything into it. I dabbled in FL for a few years and couldn't stand it. I actually preferred Reason over FL, even though they aren't really the same. My biggest complaint with FL is that I felt it was too easy. I don't like having everything laid out in front of me. Tracking music is all numbers and programming and thus, feels more free. The primitive aspect of it makes it more genuine in my opinion, but I haven't touched FL in about 3-4 years so I'm not sure what the newest version is like. It's over-simplified with a short learning curve. Descending numbers and letters > Piano Roll, ANYDAY! I guess the big point is, though, FL stuff sounds way more "modern" and "real." It's hard to get an IT song to sound professional, but it really depends on the samples. It is a GREAT tool for making loops for FL and Reason, though. |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 8,2011 1:30pm - arilliusbm ""] ark said:8 bit tracking program for 8 bit tracks, FL studio for good tracks, PROBLEM SALVED. Nope. For a long time in the 90s, tracking music was used regularly. Even Aphex Twin used it at one point. |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 8,2011 1:33pm - arilliusbm ""] here's an old classic tracked song (you can tell by the samples) but it's a great example of stuff you can do with tracking music: bennyhillifier |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 8,2011 1:41pm - arilliusbm ""] I want to check out Renoise and SunVox, both are modern tracking programs.. One of the best, most classic tracked songs that came included with some bundles of Impulse Tracker: bennyhillifier Again though, these are older songs. You can now have high-quality samples tracking.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_audio_trackers There's no sense in arguing what's "better," though, because they are indeed different. BUT RESPECT YOUR ROOTS KHEDS |
| ________________________________________ [Feb 8,2011 1:44pm - ancient master ""] Renoise is the shit |
| ________________________________________ [Feb 8,2011 1:58pm - ancient master ""] I used to use IT in highschool, but what I like about renoise is you can do all the same stuff as IT but I like the sample and loop editing shit you can do on top of it, as well as the added effects |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 8,2011 1:59pm - arilliusbm ""] definitely going to check out renoise. pretty psyched. maybe i'll dabble in FL again as well, if Slag can convince me to. |
| _________________________________________________ [Feb 8,2011 2:56pm - Martins nli computerlab ""] sorry, here's a link to the track http://soundcloud.com/thefloatercreative/8bit3/s-uWbyu |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 8,2011 2:58pm - arilliusbm ""] wow, soudns pretty good for someone who hasn't been making them for a while. reminds me of some sort of boss music |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 8,2011 3:18pm - Slag NLI ""] No need to convice. Proof is in the pudding. |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 8,2011 3:27pm - arilliusbm ""] Imma have to stick to being a crotchety old man who enjoys 90s technology, then. |
| ________________________________ [Feb 8,2011 5:02pm - Martins ""] My other two tracks I made before that one were slower and more geared towards just cool sounds. I've been sticking to simple melodies and chords right now. I had some ideas for new stuff but I've been so busy with classes that I haven't had any time. Thanks for listening though. |
| ________________________________________ [Feb 8,2011 5:14pm - ancient master ""] song is sick |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 21,2011 11:30pm - arilliusbm ""] not that anyone cares, but just uploaded a short and simple industrial type song made with impulse tracker. took about 2 hours to make. sound quality is awful on youtube... bennyhillifier viva la impulse tracker! |
| ______________________________ [Feb 22,2011 7:06am - Slag ""] One of the better songs I've heard from you so far.... should have had a more abrupt ending or a longer fadeout. Sound quality is pretty good. |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 22,2011 10:47am - arilliusbm ""] thanks.. yea I got sick of if and just ended it. Didn't feel like working on it anymore. It was more or less just an experiment because I haven't made a song of that style in years |
| __________________________________________ [Feb 22,2011 10:48am - arkquimanthorn ""] wow, this rules |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 11,2011 5:28pm - ancient master ""] bennyhillifier |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 11,2011 5:30pm - ancient master ""] bennyhillifier |
| ______________________________ [Apr 11,2011 8:20pm - Slag ""] Did you do the Digital Emotion track? |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 11,2011 8:32pm - ancient master ""] One of the classics in ever italo-party! Digital Emotion is one of the many productions of Cat Music, a Dutch production team consisting of the members of a former 70s rock band, called Catapult. After prior success with Catapult, the team changed strategy and started producing. Acts are Rubberen Robbie, Tower, The Monotones, Master Genius, X-Ray Connection and... Digital Emotion. All hits of Digital Emotion are written and produced by Adams & Fleisner. |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 11,2011 8:34pm - ancient master ""] gets good around 3:20 |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 12,2011 12:09am - arilliusbm ""] Digital Emotion FTW. Makes me want to join an aerobics class. |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 12,2011 6:12am - conservationist ""] arilliusbm said: AndrewBastard said:old news it is old news. it's 2011, this stuff was popular in 1995 :( I remember similar stuff on the Amigans in the late 1980s (anno CXVII, Third Age of Dwyer). http://schismtracker.org/wiki/Schism%20Tracker Looks even easier now. |