Open letter from Chris Grigg of Woe to Hunter Hunt-Hendrix of Liturgy
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[Jun 13,2011 1:26pm - nekronaut ""]
Dear Hunter,
We need to talk. I know you are aware that you have caused something approaching a controversy within much of the black metal scene. To put it bluntly, a lot of people don't like you. From what I've read in a recent interview, you seem to think that your very presence upsets people and you are right -- there is a group that hates anyone who looks different and wants to mess with their rigidly-defined, neat little world of rules and standards. But there is a bigger problem that has not been addressed and I think that it really warrants attention. Though not your intention, you appear arrogant, condescending, and bursting with pretension. I don't know if anyone has addressed these with you directly so at the risk of coming off as arrogant, condescending, and a bit pretentious myself, I want to put some things out in the open. I hope that you will give this some consideration.
To the point, then: we get it, dude. You think you are very, very important. Everything about you oozes a sense of superiority. Looking at only the first few pages of your Transcendental Black Metal essay, we find the following:
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You somehow decided that black metal is the "culmination of the history of extreme metal."
You explain that traditional black metal is ultimately unfulfilling:
"Hyperborean [traditional, Scandinavian-derived] Black Metal represents the mountaineer's arrival at the peak and a supposed leap off of it... And he is left, crestfallen, frozen and alone, in the Hyperborean realm."
You authoritatively claim the blast beat as belonging to black metal, though far from unique to it, because it allows you to rationalize your I-can't-maintain-a-hyper-blast beat by plainly stating, "the technique of Hyperborean Black Metal is the blast beat."
You audaciously inform us that your work is the next stage of the art's evolution with "[Transcendental Black Metal] is a sublimination of Hyperborean Black Metal in both its spiritual aspect and its technical aspect."
Those passages, the essay on the whole, and every attempt to defend your position shows that you lack even the smallest sliver of modesty or respect for your peers or listeners. These qualities -- rather, the lack of these qualities -- are not unusual for black metal artists to possess; after all, concepts of superiority and elitism are hallmarks of traditional black metal. In your case, though, they do not apply because you have gone so far out of your way to show that you are not the typical black metal musician, you are not part of this world -- you are an outsider wearing some (just some) of black metal's skin. I appreciate you taking the effort to describe what you are attempting to do; however, when you make lengthy, authoritative statements decrying black metal as dead and outdated, when you deride everything that came before you as little more than a failed attempt at something that is unreachable, you're thumbing your nose at everyone who does not see things your way. It's obnoxious. It's rude. It's annoying.
More than that, it is unfounded. A serious question: Who the fuck are you to dictate anything about black metal in a way that affects anyone other than yourself? Your experience as a philosophy student at Columbia does not grant you the title of President of Black Metal. Acclaims from the Village Voice do not grant you instant respect, they earn you the disdain of everyone in the black metal scene. Reading through Lords of Chaos does not make you a black metal expert.
You come from a position of privilege. By being young, white, attending an Ivy League school, and aligning yourself with the Brooklyn art scene instead of the metal scene, you essentially flip a switch and get credibility with the "establishment" that people who are not like you will not ever have. Privilege in itself is not a crime and exploiting it is only natural. Your problem is that you seem to not recognize your privileged starting point and behave as if you earned the attention you get from those around you. Just as nobody would have given me and my music the time of day if I lived in the middle of Iowa, nobody would care about you at all if you had a different starting point.
This is not to say that you did not work for what you have --privilege alone won't take you all the way -- but your behavior is that of someone who believes the hype around them instead of seeing it for what it is. It is ugly, selfish, immature behavior unbefitting someone with your intellect. More than that, your smug marginalization of "hyperborean" black metal combined with this privilege is where the interest in you from the Village Voice, the New York Times, and so many other mainstream publications comes from. The message sent is that black metal did not matter until "one of them" got involved. That is why people hate what has been termed hipster black metal: it waters down the very essence of the art, wipes away its history, and sends an "all-clear!" to the mainstream that it has the approval of people who aren't Neanderthalic metalheads. You have positioned yourself as their emissary. You should be very proud.
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Similar to the way in which the dumbest people are usually the most vocal about the superiority of their race, experience has taught me that the more someone talks about how important they are, the less important they are in reality. Without a history of innovation, without a number of bands who directly cite your music as a defining influence, without the deep respect of your peers, your manifesto comes off as little more than masturbation. Reading through your Transcendental Black Metal essay, you can basically take every occurrence of the title and replace it with "Liturgy" without altering the piece's essence; in fact, I think that this helps the reader clearly understand just how important you see yourself and your work. It shows that the concept of Transcendental Black Metal is not about creating something new for everyone, it is a celebration of you, your band, and your ideas, but in an underhanded, indirect way. "Liturgy is the reanimation of the form of black metal with a new soul, a soul full of chaos, frenzy, and ecstasy." Wow, that's awesome! Thank you for providing what we always lacked!
You had one full-length under your belt before you decided you were a black metal expert, capable of explaining what it means, what it is, what it should be. One mostly-well-received full-length plus pedigree does not equal the right to announce yourself as genre-defining art. Ranting about how you are better than everyone else -- and like it or not, that is most definitely the common interpretation of your "manifesto" -- does not suddenly make it so.
I want to this clear: I think it's cool that you take what you do seriously. In a scene filled with small people talking about really big ideas, it's refreshing to see someone come at black metal with a unique perspective, even if it is divisive or weird. I think that calling bullshit on your peers when necessary is important and you are doing that; hell, I'm doing that right now. I've done quite a bit of that in the past few years. I agree that American (not US) black metal deserves a respectable, unique identity. I think that a lot of black metal's traditions have outlived their meanings and usefulness. A reboot, a reinterpretation is a good thing.
I do not think your rigid rules, definitions, and titles are the way to do it. If anything, the new generation of modern American black metal is characterized by intense individualism and personal reinterpretations of what it is to be a black metal band. It is respectful of traditions without using them as crutches or excuses. It is the spiritual successor to punk rock, borne of its aggression, DIY attitude, raw aesthetic, and a disregard for authority.
Personally, I find your "positive" black metal thing absurd and though I dig the intensity of your material, it really doesn't strike me as anything deep, special, or thought-provoking. I don't like the way you present yourself on stage. I'm gonna be really snobby here and say that I think playing out of combo amps is not acceptable. I refuse to acknowledge the burst beat as anything other than a very inconsistent hyper-blast. But hey, man, that's OK. Everyone should do what they want, create for themselves, make the art that feels right for them. You have every right to be proud of your accomplishments and your music. What is not cool is your superior attitude, your condescension, and your interest in defining your interpretation of black metal as America's Black Metal. I find it disrespectful. You're making yourself look bad and you're making American black metal look bad. Building a throne does not make you a king.
If you read this, you'll probably just dismiss it as coming from some bitter black metal guy who doesn't get what you're doing. That's what people who consider themselves intellectually and artistically superior to those around them do: they are so sure of their positions that anyone who disagrees with their methods must be wrong or ignorant. Please remember that my point here is not that I want you to compromise your artistic vision, it's that I want you to adjust your attitude and the energy you are putting out. Show some humility, chill out, and spend more time working on yourself because one day, that will be all you have and all that matters.
[Jun 13,2011 1:35pm - arkquimanthorn ""]
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[Jun 13,2011 1:38pm - Alx_Casket ""]
FIRST
[Jun 13,2011 1:41pm - NuclearWinter ""]
Forever a vapid Neanderthalic Metalhead.
[Jun 13,2011 1:44pm - Alx_Casket ""]
*first to make an ipod case out of the other's skull wins!
[Jun 13,2011 1:44pm - josh_hates_you ""]
so 2 hipsters walk into a bar and one says to the other.......
[Jun 13,2011 1:49pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
that was a good read. a rather diplomatic approach. in the days of olde me thinks he would just be killed with fire.
[Jun 13,2011 1:50pm - arilliusbm ""]
LOL ^
[Jun 13,2011 2:00pm - arkquimanthorn ""]
good read and needed to be said. he only threw in the "H" word once!
[Jun 13,2011 2:06pm - sr ""]
I'm gonna go ahead and continue to think both bands suck.
[Jun 13,2011 2:10pm - xmikex ""]
And now I want to know... who booked that fucking Liturgy show in Brighton and why didn't they promote it?
[Jun 13,2011 2:10pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
nekronaut said: arrogant, condescending, and blursting with pretension.
[Jun 13,2011 2:11pm - arilliusbm ""]
This is why I like bands like Blood Storm and Inquisition and Nightbringer and Black Witchery and Krieg. GTFO all nowadays USBM including all local NEBM bands
[Jun 13,2011 2:12pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
nekronaut said:
We need to talk...
Never a good sign in my experience.
[Jun 13,2011 2:13pm - arkquimanthorn ""]
xmikex said:And now I want to know... who booked that fucking Liturgy show in Brighton and why didn't they promote it? seriously WILL THE SHITTY PROMOTORRRS OF BRIGHTON AND PVD STEP FORWARD.
[Jun 13,2011 2:14pm - arilliusbm ""]
half sarcastic (NEBM comment) but half not. Need moar black metal
[Jun 13,2011 2:14pm - arkquimanthorn ""]
arilliusbm said:This is why I like bands like Blood Storm and Inquisition and Nightbringer and Black Witchery and Krieg. GTFO all nowadays USBM including all local NEBM bands
USBM, now on Mac :happymac:
[Jun 13,2011 2:16pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
arilliusbm said:half sarcastic (NEBM comment) but half not. Need moar pissed off open letters in black metal
:D
[Jun 13,2011 2:23pm - hauptpflucker ""]
Only Rivers Cuomo in Doc Martens is Black Metal
[Jun 13,2011 2:26pm - nekronaut ""]
arkquimanthorn said:seriously WILL THE REAL SLIM SHADY OF BRIGHTON AND PVD PLEASE STAND UP.
[Jun 13,2011 2:27pm - SLAAAAG ""]
SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY AND LET ME LISTEN TO MUSIC. WHO THE FUCK CARES.
[Jun 13,2011 2:32pm - RichHorror ""]
Aril is a pussy.
[Jun 13,2011 2:34pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
Triple H is seriously reduced the level of "I know you are but what am I" in the comments section, here:
http://www.metalsucks.net/2011/06/07/even-...s-worried-about-metal-staying-tr00/
transcendental black metal ist kindergarten
[Jun 13,2011 2:35pm - hauptpflucker ""]
SLAAAAG said:SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY AND LET ME LISTEN TO MUSIC. WHO THE FUCK CARES.
[Jun 13,2011 2:35pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
hauptpflucker said:
SLAAAAG said:SHIT BADLY NEEDED SAYING, REAL TALK YO
[Jun 13,2011 2:38pm - Alexecutioner ""]
nekronaut said:Dear Hunter,
We need to talk. I know you are aware that you have caused something approaching a controversy within much of the black metal scene. To put it bluntly, a lot of people don't like you. From what I've read in a recent interview, you seem to think that your very presence upsets people and you are right -- there is a group that hates anyone who looks different and wants to mess with their rigidly-defined, neat little world of rules and standards. But there is a bigger problem that has not been addressed and I think that it really warrants attention. Though not your intention, you appear arrogant, condescending, and bursting with pretension. I don't know if anyone has addressed these with you directly so at the risk of coming off as arrogant, condescending, and a bit pretentious myself, I want to put some things out in the open. I hope that you will give this some consideration.
just touch dicks and get it over with. you know you both want to. did they omit the part at the end of this letter that said "do you like me? circle yes, no, or maybe"
overall, good read tho.
[Jun 13,2011 2:42pm - SLAAAAG ""]
Honestly, if Woe put as much effort into their song writing as they did this stupid essay, it would have benefit us (see: me) more.
[Jun 13,2011 2:45pm - orktourass ""]
one of HHH's comments on that metalsucks link.
[QUOTEI have friends with Neil Young AND Merzbow records. Is that incomprehensible to you? It’s not that black metal’s seen as a low art, it’s that most of it is shit. Those indie and mainstream publications are the shit filter. The press we get has everything to do with the actual music. It’s so typical of someone in the metal community to call others close-minded while obviously being close-minded themselves.
This guy is so dogmatic. He is the Pope and messiah of his own religion.
[Jun 13,2011 2:46pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
orktourass said:one of HHH's comments on that metalsucks link.
[QUOTEI have friends with Neil Young AND Merzbow records. Is that incomprehensible to you? It’s not that black metal’s seen as a low art, it’s that most of it is shit. Those indie and mainstream publications are the shit filter. The press we get has everything to do with the actual music. It’s so typical of someone in the metal community to call others close-minded while obviously being close-minded themselves.
This guy is so dogmatic. He is the Pope and messiah of his own religion.
I love how the ultimate win in these arguments is always, "yeah, but it's all about the music, maaaaaaaaaaan".
IT'S FUCKING NOT
[Jun 13,2011 2:48pm - Alexecutioner ""]
orktourass said:one of HHH's comments on that metalsucks link.
[QUOTEI have friends with Neil Young AND Merzbow records. Is that incomprehensible to you? It’s not that black metal’s seen as a low art, it’s that most of it is shit. Those indie and mainstream publications are the shit filter. The press we get has everything to do with the actual music. It’s so typical of someone in the metal community to call others close-minded while obviously being close-minded themselves.
This guy is so dogmatic. He is the Pope and messiah of his own religion.
they just need to touch dick tips and admit they are both faggots
[Jun 13,2011 2:49pm - woeispissed ""]
Just because I feel the need to write a ten page scholarly article about how the fallout of Liturgys douchebaggery is negatively effecting my record sales does not mean you need to gang up on me!
[Jun 13,2011 2:52pm - thesac ""]
kill everybody
[Jun 13,2011 2:56pm - arkquimanthorn ""]
Man, first we have to deal with Glam, then Janet Reno, Columbine, and now Liturgy and Weston Cage. WHY CAN'T ANYONE LEAVE METAL ALONE??
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[Jun 13,2011 3:01pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
arkquimanthorn said:Man, first we have to deal with Glam, then Janet Reno, Columbine, and now Liturgy and Weston Cage. WHY CAN'T ANYONE LEAVE METAL ALONE??
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XD
i love the internet today
[Jun 13,2011 3:12pm - woeischrisnli ""]
woeispissed said:Just because I feel the need to write a ten page scholarly article about how the fallout of Liturgys douchebaggery is negatively effecting my record sales does not mean you need to gang up on me! Obviously this is not me. The point of my article was to show real black metal fans (such as you folks here at rttp) that Im in touch with the true meaning of black metal. While I know some of you consider me a hipster I hope that through this article you come to respect both my music and me as a human being more. Unlike Hunter, I want to be liked by you all. The four non-blondes summed it all up in their greatest song I pray, oh my god do I pray, I pray every single day for retribution.
[Jun 13,2011 3:16pm - posbleak ""]
Frank discussions about white privilege ist krieg.
[Jun 13,2011 3:17pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
this thread needs moar blah blah and blibbidy boo
[Jun 13,2011 3:20pm - blah blah binnidy boo ""]
nice to know im appreciated.
[Jun 13,2011 3:29pm - Yeti ""]
you must be the sister of Blah Blah Blibbidy Boo.
i like what this has to say, i agree with it. i also agree with "IT'S FUCKING NOT" from Steve above.
personally the term "black metal" makes me violently ill when i hear it.
[Jun 13,2011 3:34pm - arilliusbm ""]
RichHorror said:Aril is a pussy.
I'm losing my edge.
[Jun 13,2011 3:35pm - Yeti ""]
woeischrisnli said:
woeispissed said:Just because I feel the need to write a ten page scholarly article about how the fallout of Liturgys douchebaggery is negatively effecting my record sales does not mean you need to gang up on me! Obviously this is not me. The point of my article was to show real black metal fans (such as you folks here at rttp) that Im in touch with the true meaning of black metal. While I know some of you consider me a hipster I hope that through this article you come to respect both my music and me as a human being more. Unlike Hunter, I want to be liked by you all. The four non-blondes summed it all up in their greatest song I pray, oh my god do I pray, I pray every single day for retribution.
this made me realize that the singer for 4 Non Blondes looks eerily like Erik Rutan.
[Jun 13,2011 3:38pm - blah blah bibbidy boo ""]
It both is and is not about the music. Both perspectives are legit. Get over it.
[Jun 13,2011 3:40pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
spelled it wrong again. 3rd times the charm!
[Jun 13,2011 3:42pm - orktourass ""]
i still can't believe the shit the Liturgy guy is saying in the metalsucks comments. what a lost cause he is. this guy's level of arrogance will get him killed someday.
"Hey, Bob, you know what? Fuck you. Decibel magazine gave Aesthetica a seven. You know what they gave Krallice’s Diotima? An eight. Decibel >>>> MetalSucks bloggers and commentators. My music is far from damn-near unlistenable. I’m in one of the best bands in the world. You’re just too stupid to comprehend that fact."
[Jun 13,2011 3:43pm - Spaldino on Phone ""]
I almost feel the need to post liturgy video again...
[Jun 13,2011 3:43pm - blah blah blibbidy boo ""]
Only sucking at trolling is real
[Jun 13,2011 3:52pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
fail.
[Jun 13,2011 4:05pm - Randy_Marsh ""]
arilliusbm said:half sarcastic (NEBM comment) but half not. Need moar black metal
witch tomb, nachzerer, nathruzym, cnv, vaettir, darkwor, bog of the infidel
you're wacky.
[Jun 13,2011 4:10pm - posbleak ""]
Bone Ritual
[Jun 13,2011 4:11pm - Kevord ""]
Only Mercyful Fate is real.
[Jun 13,2011 4:11pm - GregD-blessedoffal ""]
Arrogance usually ends badly. It's only a matter of time before some one takes his head off with a hay maker. And all the circular logic in the world won't stop that.
[Jun 13,2011 4:15pm - BlessedOffalNLI ""]
the thing that is really fucking with metal is all the over analyzing and caring about what others do so much. Who gives a shit about this toolbox hunter? Does his presence make A Blaze in the Northern Sky any less great? Posers have always been and always will be around. Focus on the worthwhile and just ignore the worthless, its not that difficult.
[Jun 13,2011 4:15pm - xmikex ""]
In all seriousness. The new Liturgy sounds like Poison the Well sped up and double picked.
[Jun 13,2011 4:19pm - nekronaut ""]
BlessedRossalNLI said:the thing that is really fucking with metal is all the over analyzing and caring about what others do so much. Who gives a shit about this toolbox hunter? Does his presence make A Blaze in the Northern Sky any less great? Posers have always been and always will be around. Focus on the worthwhile and just ignore the worthless, its not that difficult.
[Jun 13,2011 4:22pm - mikeofdecrepitude ""]
LOL @ "Dear Hunter, we need to talk."
Seeeerious business.
[Jun 13,2011 4:31pm - arkquimanthorn ""]
this guy is really basing his whole life and reputation on this "thesis." i'd like to see where he is in 20 years if he's still breating the same air as us degenerates.
[Jun 13,2011 4:33pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
mikeofdecrepitude said:LOL @ "Dear Hunter, we need to talk."
ITT: [img]
[Jun 13,2011 4:34pm - bobnomaamrooney ""]
nekronaut said:
BlessedRossalNLI said:Focus on the worthwhile and just ignore the worthless, its not that difficult.
So what you're saying is that you've got to accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative, latch on to the affirmative and don't mess with Mister In-Between
[Jun 13,2011 4:37pm - arilliusbm ""]
Where's Ghost?
[Jun 13,2011 4:43pm - bobnomaamrooney ""]
Scooby Dooby Doom, where are you?
[Jun 13,2011 4:48pm - conservationist ""]
nekronaut said:Though not your intention, you appear arrogant, condescending, and bursting with pretension.
Welcome to:
* Academia
* The Ivy Leagues
* Brooklyn
* Postmodernism
[Jun 13,2011 5:03pm - goatcatalyst ""]
Fuck that buttdart. His music and "thesis" are both underwhelming and merit 0 attention. He'll choke on his own arrogance. Someone desperately needs a pisscupping.
[Jun 13,2011 5:40pm - Alexecutioner ""]
did they touch dicks yet?
[Jun 13,2011 5:40pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
this is thread is now about the only relevant black metal band that remains:
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[Jun 13,2011 5:51pm - nekronaut ""]
FuckIsMySignature said:this is thread is now about how only the memory remains:
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[Jun 13,2011 5:51pm - frankovhell ""]
Fucking Brooklyn should be firebombed.
[Jun 13,2011 5:57pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
nekronaut said:
FuckIsMySignature said:this is thread is now about how only the memory remains:
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Marianne Faithfull's voice is blacker than the blackest metal
[Jun 13,2011 5:58pm - hauptpflucker ""]
It's like, how much more black could it be? And the answer is none... None more black.
[Jun 13,2011 5:59pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
i heard she had church burn down in her throat.
[Jun 13,2011 6:02pm - goatcatalyst ""]
I'd love to agree with you, Frank, but the loss of Union Pool would be too much for me to bear. Best venue south of Ralph's. Their taco truck virtually balances out the hipster scourge. A buttdart pogrom would be more apropos.
[Jun 13,2011 6:06pm - Spaldino on Phone ""]
FuckIsMySignature said:i heard she had church burn down in her throat.
Abbath gargles her semen to get the grimmest and most frost bitten voice possible.
[Jun 13,2011 6:13pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
a dissenting POV, from an article defending Liturgy on the same site:
I am a metalhead. I've been hopelessly devoted to metal ever since picking up Mastodon's Remission
XD
[Jun 13,2011 6:20pm - Headbanging_Man ""]
Oh shit, that's OLD school!
[Jun 13,2011 6:21pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
mastodon creasted the blurst beat if i'm not mistaken
[Jun 13,2011 6:22pm - mike29 ""]
SLAAAAG said:SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY AND LET ME LISTEN TO MUSIC. WHO THE FUCK CARES.
This.
[Jun 13,2011 6:22pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
NO U
[Jun 13,2011 6:29pm - arilliusbm ""]
let us loosely connect the dots, shall we?
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^Liturgy band photo. Gotta love the krallice shirt.
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^krallice band photo. Gotta love the drudkh shirt.
14+
^
number of unofficial myspace sites Drudkh had at one point in 2006 and 2007, before the label launched the official one in 2009 and rereleased all of their material to the masses.
Drudkh, a once great band who reestablished the "drone" sound with a modern sound and eastern european/slavic tinge, are responsible for this simple-minded 2 chord "black metal" with 4 reverb pedals and transcendental attitude.
It's all Drudkh's fault. Blame Drudkh, Metal-Archives, Myspace, and people who'd rather download music than hunt for original copies of Drudkh's albums. And the internet.
Trancendentalist Black Metal wouldn't exist if the internet hadn't exposed Drudkh to these chaps just a few years ago.
Best thing about it? Drudkh still quietly goes about their business making good music, albeit different than their past material. And they stay quiet.
BRING BACK HATE FOREST.
The end.
[Jun 13,2011 6:30pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
mike29 said:
SLAAAAG said:I WANT TO WATCH THE NEWS
THIS IS THE NEWS
[Jun 13,2011 6:35pm - arilliusbm ""]
mike29 said:
SLAAAAG said:SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY AND LET ME LISTEN TO MUSIC. WHO THE FUCK CARES.
This.
You do know that by garnering even one response to such shenanigans automatically incorporates you into the discussion right?
You could easily just continue listening to music and not respond. Just sayin.'
[Jun 13,2011 6:38pm - arktripolius ""]
erryone has something to say and none of it matters one good goddammmm, but you boys should know that nothing gets between me and my lulz
[Jun 13,2011 6:40pm - arktripolius ""]
i only blame drudkh for releasing 8 or 9 solid masterpieces and nothing else. no slavic, no entry.
[Jun 13,2011 6:49pm - arilliusbm ""]
I agree, but I'd cut that number into a much smaller one :P
Even though I was joking, there are a number of issues on why this "transcendentalist" nonsensical shit started in the first place. Same thing with "hipst--" er, "soft and postmodern" "blac--", er, "metal" exists.
but, like the true fans say, there's no reason to dwell on it. I've stated my stance on how we should try to hold onto metal's values before they're pissed on, but it's too late. Alas, I must learn to accept what is, and listen to what was.
[Jun 13,2011 6:52pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
arilliusbm said:I agree, but I'd cut that number into a much smaller one :P
Even though I was joking, there are a number of issues on why this "transcendentalist" nonsensical shit started in the first place. Same thing with "hipst--" er, "soft and postmodern" "blac--", er, "metal" exists.
but, like the true fans say, there's no reason to dwell on it. I've stated my stance on how we should try to hold onto metal's values before they're pissed on, but it's too late. Alas, I must learn to accept what is, and listen to what was.
So, would you say you've transcended black metal? :D
[Jun 13,2011 6:52pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
in b4 grumpiest manifesto ever
;)
[Jun 13,2011 6:54pm - arilliusbm ""]
I've transcended life. I died 3 years ago when Herugrim broke up.
[Jun 13,2011 6:58pm - BSV ""]
too much black not enough metal. too much bitching not enough destroying. too much thinking not enough creating. BUNCHA FAHKIN' NANCY'S.
[Jun 13,2011 7:06pm - Slag ""]
arilliusbm said:
mike29 said:
SLAAAAG said:SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY AND LET ME LISTEN TO MUSIC. WHO THE FUCK CARES.
This.
You do know that by garnering even one response to such shenanigans automatically incorporates you into the discussion right?
You could easily just continue listening to music and not respond. Just sayin.'
I could. I just don't get why dudes need to mash dicks together to see who goes soft first. Or, I don't understand the need to care or protect something, that cannot be protected. As long as there is quality people, writing quality songs and performing quality shows, the shenanigans of some should not matter to the many. A court jester is best left ignored.
[Jun 13,2011 7:08pm - arilliusbm ""]
Hopefully people protect their dicks when mashing them together.
[Jun 13,2011 7:09pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
lol @ other DYA on the comments page now
WE ARE LEGION
[Jun 13,2011 7:21pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
only Jerry the King is real.
[Jun 13,2011 7:33pm - Kevord ""]
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Who would have thunk a style of music made popular by a bunch of teenagers copying Bathory 20 years ago would have turned out so mature?
[Jun 13,2011 7:45pm - Randy_Marsh ""]
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[Jun 13,2011 8:02pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
I just wish I knew how Hitler was reacting to all of this.
[Jun 13,2011 8:03pm - arilliusbm ""]
DestroyYouAlot said:I just wish I knew how Hitler was reacting to all of this.
Liturgy is in the front row.
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[Jun 13,2011 8:15pm - mikeofdecrepitude ""]
bennyhillifier
Around the 3:07 mark, dude in the middle with the brown jacket even knows that this kid is full of shit.
[Jun 13,2011 8:17pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
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[Jun 13,2011 8:23pm - BlessedOffalNLI ""]
goatcatalyst said:merit 0 attention.exactly. So lets stop talking about the douche already.
[Jun 13,2011 8:56pm - woeischris ""]
BlessedOffalNLI said:
goatcatalyst said:merit 0 attention.exactly. So lets stop talking about the douche already. who me?
[Jun 13,2011 9:16pm - IllinoisEnemaBradness ""]
I'm eating cheese puffs right now and watching Gnomeo and Juliet. The music is all Elton John, but there's NO TINY DANCER!! What the fuck is up with that? The movie is gnomes, SHORT things, dare I say, TINY. and there's a scene when they... wait for it.....DANCE.
[Jun 13,2011 9:25pm - burnsy ""]
I thought chris made good points. It was well written, I guess I'm glad somebody had the time to put something like that together. I really don't care about liturgy and this manifesto nonsense. Focus on the tunes ya fuckin' pettifogger.
[Jun 13,2011 10:38pm - goatcatalyst ""]
IllinoisEnemaBradness said:I'm eating cheese puffs right now and watching Gnomeo and Juliet. The music is all Elton John, but there's NO TINY DANCER!! What the fuck is up with that? The movie is gnomes, SHORT things, dare I say, TINY. and there's a scene when they... wait for it.....DANCE.
Best post in this entire faggot thread. Can we talk about Prince now? Y'know... something relevant?
[Jun 13,2011 10:48pm - fuck this hipster bullshit ""]
TLDR
[Jun 13,2011 10:57pm - woeischris ""]
goatcatalyst said:
IllinoisEnemaBradness said:I'm eating cheese puffs right now and watching Gnomeo and Juliet. The music is all Elton John, but there's NO TINY DANCER!! What the fuck is up with that? The movie is gnomes, SHORT things, dare I say, TINY. and there's a scene when they... wait for it.....DANCE.
Best post in this entire faggot thread. Can we talk about Prince now? Y'know... something relevant?but I think there needs to be a dialouge about black metal
[Jun 13,2011 11:59pm - frankovhell ""]
goatcatalyst said:I'd love to agree with you, Frank, but the loss of Union Pool would be too much for me to bear. Best venue south of Ralph's. Their taco truck virtually balances out the hipster scourge. A buttdart pogrom would be more apropos.
Ahhh, forgive my ignorance then. I have absolutely no attachment to the area, but perhaps if I was able to experience Union Pool I would change my mind.
[Jun 14,2011 7:25am - Yeti ""]
Slag said:
arilliusbm said:
mike29 said:
SLAAAAG said:SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY AND LET ME LISTEN TO MUSIC. WHO THE FUCK CARES.
This.
You do know that by garnering even one response to such shenanigans automatically incorporates you into the discussion right?
You could easily just continue listening to music and not respond. Just sayin.'
I could. I just don't get why dudes need to mash dicks together to see who goes soft first. Or, I don't understand the need to care or protect something, that cannot be protected. As long as there is quality people, writing quality songs and performing quality shows, the shenanigans of some should not matter to the many. A court jester is best left ignored.
"Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.”
[Jun 14,2011 8:34am - woeischris ""]
[QUOTE=\"Yeti:1213612\"]
\"Criticism may not be agreeable, but this is RTTP and RTTP fulfills the same function as pain in the human body.”
[Jun 14,2011 8:57am - pam ""]
tl;dr
[Jun 14,2011 9:24am - brian_dc ""]
goatcatalyst said:
IllinoisEnemaBradness said:I'm eating cheese puffs right now and watching Gnomeo and Juliet. The music is all Elton John, but there's NO TINY DANCER!! What the fuck is up with that? The movie is gnomes, SHORT things, dare I say, TINY. and there's a scene when they... wait for it.....DANCE.
Best post in this entire faggot thread. Can we talk about Prince now? Y'know... something relevant?
these are my people
I've decided right now that these are my people.
[Jun 14,2011 9:28am - xmikex ""]
Anyone remember when Terror called out Eighteen Visions and made those t-shirts with the scissors on it to supposedly make fun of them. And then 6 months later they were touring together?
Me neither.
[Jun 14,2011 9:48am - brian_dc ""]
hey
hey guys
this is serious
[Jun 14,2011 9:52am - ouchdrummer ""]
I don't really like black metal. This thread is silly.
[Jun 14,2011 9:53am - Alexecutioner ""]
did they touch dicks yet?
[Jun 14,2011 9:55am - brian_dc ""]
goofy manchild said:I refuse to acknowledge the burst beat as anything other than a very inconsistent hyper-blast.
Just skimmed and saw this. LOL at both terms.
[Jun 14,2011 9:56am - Lamp ""]
When the tips of these two penises touch, they will melt into each other and become a phallic Chinese finger trap that will then open a wormhole sucking them into the outermost reaches of the most transcendental galaxy.
[Jun 14,2011 9:58am - ouchdrummer ""]
brian_dc said:goofy manchild said:I refuse to acknowledge the burst beat as anything other than a very inconsistent hyper-blast.
Just skimmed and saw this. LOL at both terms.
I agree. Silliness.
[Jun 14,2011 10:03am - brian_dc ""]
ouchdrummer said:
brian_dc said:goofy manchild said:I refuse to acknowledge the burst beat as anything other than a very inconsistent hyper-blast.
It's the dark side of self-taught musicianship. Otherwise, I say so long as you can play, who cares how you get there. But the terms, oh man, the terms.
Just skimmed and saw this. LOL at both terms.
I agree. Silliness.
[Jun 14,2011 10:04am - ouchdrummer ""]
brian_dc said:
ouchdrummer said:
brian_dc said:goofy manchild said:I refuse to acknowledge the burst beat as anything other than a very inconsistent hyper-blast.
Just skimmed and saw this. LOL at both terms.
I agree. Silliness.
It's the dark side of self-taught musicianship. Otherwise, I say so long as you can play, who cares how you get there. But the terms, oh man, the terms.
fix'd
[Jun 14,2011 10:06am - ouchdrummer ""]
you should hear some of things I hear while teaching, or from some of the drummers at shows i play. WOOOOO
[Jun 14,2011 10:08am - ouchdrummer ""]
Dude, were you doing a 4-stroke roll will with your feet, or was that the "heel, heel, toe" method?
lulz
[Jun 14,2011 10:11am - Mark R ""]
One of my personal favorites was a kid I met calling tremolo picking "sweet picking".
[Jun 14,2011 10:20am - ouchdrummer ""]
are you sure he wasn't saying that your picking was sweet? hehe
[Jun 14,2011 10:54am - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
pam said:tl;dr
Exactly. Wordy over-thinking homo calling out a wordy over-thinking homo for being pompous. How pompous.
Here's my own open letter:
Dear Liturgy guy,
Get over yourself. Your book has no good pictures. Also transcendental blackmetal= still playing to a room full of dudes, except the dudes at the TBM show have likely not showered for a week or so. Gay. Waste of a college education.
-Pete
[Jun 14,2011 10:58am - ouchdrummer ""]
word
[Jun 14,2011 11:06am - AMOROK666 ""]
Threads too long. Liturgy is gay. I'm gonna go get some ice cream.
[Jun 14,2011 11:10am - ArrowHeadNLI ""]
AMOROK666 said:Threads too long. Liturgy is gay. I'm gonna go get some ice cream.
Only MAGNUM BARS are real. They are like chocolate coated heroin.
[Jun 14,2011 11:18am - Mutis ""]
The Tranny Dental Black Metal debate is so First Quarter 2011.
[Jun 14,2011 11:29am - heh ""]
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[Jun 14,2011 11:32am - pam ""]
ArrowHeadNLI said:
pam said:tl;dr
Exactly. Wordy over-thinking homo calling out a wordy over-thinking homo for being pompous. How pompous.
Here's my own open letter:
Dear Liturgy guy,
Get over yourself. Your book has no good pictures. Also transcendental blackmetal= still playing to a room full of dudes, except the dudes at the TBM show have likely not showered for a week or so. Gay. Waste of a college education.
-Pete
I don't even know what the fuck transcendental blackmetal is and I couldn't possibly give less of a fuck because I would rather listen to my son tell me about his "huge poops THIS BIG" than listen to some goth yell at some artfag about stupidly named genres of metal.
[Jun 14,2011 11:33am - ouchdrummer ""]
lol
[Jun 14,2011 11:42am - C.dEAD ""]
That interview was all I needed to see. Kid says "like" every other word.
[Jun 14,2011 11:47am - hauptpflucker ""]
xmikex said:In all seriousness. The new Liturgy sounds like Bob Dylan sped up and double picked.
[Jun 14,2011 11:49am - Kevord ""]
If Seth Putnam taught the world anything it's that writing letters is for faggots. If you have a problem with a band stand outside their tour bus and challenge those pussy's to a fight. Keep Metal Barbaric you art school queers.
[Jun 14,2011 12:13pm - bobnomaamrooney ""]
One thing I've noticed about most people's defense of Liturgy is they mostly say "Black Metal isn't all about Norway and Satan" in far too many words.
Congratufuckinglations, you figured out what people who actually gave a shit about black metal realized over 10 years ago. Go watch until the light takes us again.
[Jun 14,2011 12:19pm - ouchdrummer ""]
Kevord said:If Seth Putnam taught the world anything it's that writing letters is for faggots. If you have a problem with a band stand outside their tour bus and challenge those pussy's to a fight. Keep Metal Barbaric you art school queers.
[Jun 14,2011 12:30pm - which hobbit are you? ""]
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[Jun 14,2011 12:37pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
woeischris said:[QUOTE=\"Yeti:1213612\"]
\"Criticism may not be agreeable, but this is RTTP and RTTP fulfills the same function as pain in the human body.”
Hahaha, this is wisdom.
[Jun 14,2011 12:37pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
Anybody notice how all the noise in here is coming from people loudly professing not to care?
[Jun 14,2011 12:49pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
It's like when you talk about the federal deficit in front of kids and they keep jumping up and down trying to show you their new Elmo.
[Jun 14,2011 12:57pm - ouchdrummer ""]
nice
[Jun 14,2011 12:59pm - orktourass ""]
when people are being turds, they need to be exposed for the turds they are. you should ignore the court jester only after you point out the flaws in his act. in this case, i'm glad someone else did that, even though it was already posted on this board many, many times.
[Jun 14,2011 1:11pm - Yeti ""]
they didn't ignore the court jester, if the court jester was terrible he was executed.
[Jun 14,2011 1:14pm - nekronaut ""]
I regret ever posting this.
[Jun 14,2011 1:15pm - Yeti ""]
don't. this is a quality thread.
[Jun 14,2011 1:15pm - AndrewBastard ""]
heh said:[img]
LOL
all four of them look like they could be in some indy alt-country band my mother would listen to...but they're BLACK METAL?
thats all.
[Jun 14,2011 1:16pm - Yeti ""]
i want to see Triple H and Varg duke it out Thunderdome style.
[Jun 14,2011 1:17pm - retard strength ""]
that singer guy looks like he has a touch of the downs.
[Jun 14,2011 1:39pm - Mutis ""]
Yeti said:i want to see Triple H and Varg duke it out Thunderdome style.
I'd rather see him fight Jan Axel Blomberg, so the match could be called:
HH vs. HHH
[Jun 14,2011 3:11pm - bobnomaamrooney ""]
retard%20strength said:that singer guy looks like he has a touch of the downs.
His encephalitic forehead and dead gaze suggests fetal alcohol syndrome.
[Jun 14,2011 3:18pm - Alx_Casket ""]
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[Jun 14,2011 4:08pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
First off, it needs to be pointed out that black metal is a culture. To pretend otherwise implies that one either isn't versed in the material enough to know any better, or simply doesn't wish it to be the case. (And, let it be said, an awful lot of people deeply wish that this music _was_ free of any actual semantic content, so that they could have the luxury of listening to it without appearing to support something that actually _means_ anything.) A culture, albeit a fracticious one, comprised of hateful, intolerant, isolationists, but a culture nonetheless, and it's been that way since the "second wave" in Norway (and arguably before). And, while I'm totally ok with hidden knowledge (and black metal certainly shouldn't attempt to be "transparent" and lay open all its secrets to anyone who asks), this kind of dialogue does define the perception of a culture (even within itself). By no means would I ever let the surface perception of this define what I do, but I know from walking around with the weirdo neurology I've got that you do live in a world of other people's perceptions, whether they line up with yours or not. So I don't see why I'm supposed to just throw up my hands and say, "Fuck it - let the morons have it" because it's the polite thing to do.
Let bullshit be illuminated as what it is. I feel like the people who are the most invested having a critique-free environment are the ones who fear they'd have something to be critical of. I'd prefer to answer to any public attack than to rely on the whisper-behind-the-back method (the biggest advantage of which is that the party in question can't answer an accusation they're not aware of).
[Jun 14,2011 4:12pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
And, again - most of the people in here who're upset that we're even talking about this are openly disdainful of, and certainly want no part in, black metal culture - which raises the question of why the fuck we'd care what they had to say on the matter in the first place.
[Jun 14,2011 5:20pm - brian_dc ""]
cuz lol
[Jun 14,2011 5:27pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
TOUCHÉ, GOOD SIR.
[Jun 14,2011 5:27pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
also how was that not a "tl;dr"
[Jun 14,2011 6:17pm - bobnomaamrooney ""]
Easily the worst thing about this band and contemporaries such as Krallice is that the genre they're aping is so reliant on atmosphere and context that it's really apparent when inauthentic bands play what they think of as black metal. In that respect these interlopers have no more artistic merit than, say, Eyes of Noctum.
Or as I posted on Krallice after last year's show at Great Scott, band of their ilk's aimless noodling rings as hollow as any USBM band fabricating a pagan heritage to sing about (does Krallice get double points for throwing a Mjölnir into their logo?). In Krallice's case the music isn't connected to anything, it simply exists as shred records; for Liturgy the context is the mile wide and inch deep concept of North American rebirth or something having to do with Aaron Copeland compositions. That's arguably more pathetic an excuse for co-opting black metal than Krallice's shredding because it presents a whitewashed and childish view of North American history as its atmospheric thrust.
It's not even a question of pastoral vs. urban black metal, there are a number of bands who capably write black metal that reflect their urban experiences. These "hipster" black metal bands seem unwilling to do so, whether it's a lack of knowledge beyond second-wave Norwegian bands or willful adherence to a narrow spectrum of influences I'm not sure. And it's a shame because you can make incredible black metal records with an urban context. I don't think any band does this better than Antaeus, Listening De Principii Evangelikum you can hear the crushing density and alienation of Paris' banlieues in everything from the wall of sound drumming and guitars to the terse almost exclusively monosyllabic lyrics MkM grunts in short bursts.
[Jun 14,2011 6:20pm - arilliusbm ""]
subculture within a former subculture, but now officially a culture due to trendy overnighters and popularity, forcing it to lose its subculture status*
[Jun 14,2011 6:22pm - arilliusbm ""]
I'm going to leave my serious response out of this because Rich Horror will BAN me here
[Jun 14,2011 6:42pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
you need an RTTP premium account for that.
[Jun 14,2011 9:36pm - Alx_Casket ""]
*finger over the +warning level button*
[Jun 14,2011 9:40pm - bobnomaamrooney ""]
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[Jun 14,2011 9:57pm - AndrewBastard ""]
only rites of darkness style black metal is real
[Jun 14,2011 10:12pm - NuclearWinter ""]
AndrewBastard said:only Neanderthal style black metal is real
Fix'd.
[Jun 14,2011 11:07pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
NuclearWinter said:
AndrewBastard said:only Neanderthal style black metal is real
Fix'd.
Back'd. -Oog
[Jun 14,2011 11:15pm - goatcatalyst ""]
Too much high-minded metaphysical faggotry and meaningless option-volleying in this thread and no bestial devotion, goat worship, sigil doting or possession to be found. Fuck us one and all. Not a worthy soul to be found here, my worthless self included. Shut off your computers and remove your names from the book of life.
/ thread (for me, at least)
[Jun 14,2011 11:30pm - Alx_Casket ""]
AndrewBastard said:only rites of darkness style black metal is real
You better be taking work off for it.
[Jun 14,2011 11:32pm - quadruple nigger ""]
You white folks sho is crazy
[Jun 15,2011 5:43am - Totally the real Abbath ""]
EH EH EH!!!!!!! none of these faggots are northern or grim enough to be true black metal!
[Jun 15,2011 7:43am - Varg ""]
This is ...huh... War
[Jun 15,2011 8:30am - Varg`s brother Sven ""]
Shut up Varg
[Jun 15,2011 8:40am - Euronymous from the grave ""]
You morons are all wrong. Black metal is about silly music, banging women, and hanging out at Anthrax concerts. That faggy douche varg killed me because he is a sad loner no one liked while others enjoyed my band very much and he was jealous. Remember? Shut up about black metal you sillynanny know nothing american pricks.
[Jun 15,2011 8:41am - poopshit ""]
singer for Liturgay looks like a nice fresh-faced little girl. it would be hilarious for him to get thrown in prison with a huge 300-pound black dude cellmate.
[Jun 15,2011 9:12am - sextuple nigger ""]
White boys be wilin the fuck out in this thread, imma text my boy greggry bout this ish
[Jun 15,2011 11:19am - DestroyYouAlot ""]
Thread got sexy.
[Jun 15,2011 11:22am - AndrewBastard ""]
I'm 80% going to RoD III
[Jun 16,2011 12:47pm - thesac ""]
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[Jun 16,2011 2:32pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
/perfection
[Jun 20,2011 10:46am - THE TRUTH ""]
BlessedOffalNLI said:the thing that is really fucking with metal is all the over analyzing and caring about what others do so much. Who gives a shit about this toolbox hunter? Does his presence make A Blaze in the Northern Sky any less great? Posers have always been and always will be around. Focus on the worthwhile and just ignore the worthless, its not that difficult.
WELL PUT.
I agree that black metal in general should progress and grow rather than reiterating an exhausted theme or idea, but the way Hunter presents it is beyond ridiculous. Their music is decent. Krallice is pretty good. But it's not that the music itself is soooo unique. Who's to say what Deathspell Omega was doing wasn't pushing black metal in an entirely new direction? In fact, I would cite them as a band that "TRANSCENDED" the genre, and maintained the genre's original ethos while doing something new with the actual music, its aesthetic and its sound.
Black metal musicians (in NEBM as well): You take yourself way too seriously. You of all people should be excited to see something different in black metal. Aren't we supposed to go against the fucking grain.
Yeah man, rock your gauntlet. Grow a big beard. Act hard. Wicked black metal.
I think if your music sounds exactly like every other black metal band you fail as a musician. But if you over-analyze everything, you fail as a person.
Stop using the word hipster in general. I will never "play black metal" ever again. Mostly because of you ignorant, over-analytical douche bags.
Woe, you guys are on point. Congrats for maintaining respect, but providing constructive criticism.
[Jun 20,2011 10:51am - THE TRUTH ""]
p.s. my band Frontier is the only band around here worth paying attention to.
[Jun 20,2011 10:54am - THE TRUTH ""]
I'm Good Enough, I'm Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like Me.
[Jun 20,2011 11:00am - THE TRUTH ""]
Frontier is the best band in the world.
[Jun 20,2011 11:12am - ark ""]
THE%20TRUTH said:I will never "put cream cheese" on my bagel ever again. Mostly because of you ignorant, over-analytical breakfast fascists.
[Jun 20,2011 11:21am - THE TRUTH ""]
Frontier guy doesn't go on Return to the Pit. You mad? [img][img]
[Jun 20,2011 11:23am - xmikex ""]
180 replies about not over analyzing
[Jun 20,2011 11:27am - burnsy ""]
heh said:[img]
Needs more "like like like"
[Jun 20,2011 11:41am - THE TRUTH ""]
THE%20TRUTH said:Frontier guy doesn't go on Return to the Pit. You mad? [img][img]
Oh.... Riiiiiiight.... I forgot.
[Jun 20,2011 11:43am - posbleak ""]
I'm a giant pussy and I can't grow a beard, can I still become black metal? I need someone's permission please
[Jun 20,2011 11:57am - FuckIsMySignature ""]
bearded clam black metal or GTFO.
[Jun 20,2011 12:02pm - posbleak ""]
I have a note from my teacher that says I'm black metal so I get to sit out gym.
[Jun 20,2011 12:05pm - bobnomaamrooney ""]
Thread is now about fried clams and Antaeus, fuck you.
[Jun 20,2011 12:06pm - bobnomaamrooney ""]
Cut Your Flesh and Worship Woodmans Of Essex
[Jun 20,2011 12:07pm - bobnomaamrooney ""]
Nave x Kelly's
[Jun 20,2011 4:33pm - nekronaut ""]
I didn't know beards were black metal, I've just always wanted to grow one. Works for me since I'm in a black metal band! :bartmoon:
[Jun 20,2011 4:35pm - Czarnobog ""]
HARD BEARD TALK.
[Jun 20,2011 4:42pm - nekronaut ""]
ONLY TALK OF HARD STARES IS REAL.
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[Jun 20,2011 4:57pm - posbleak ""]
nekronaut said:ONLY TALK OF HARD STARES IS REAL.
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[Jun 20,2011 5:00pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
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NOM
[Jun 20,2011 5:02pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
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i see potential for meme here..
[Jun 20,2011 5:09pm - Alexecutioner ""]
this thread is now four pages long. did they touch dicks yet? do it and get it over with.
[Jun 20,2011 5:17pm - Yeti ""]
the beard is necessary for the amount of beer that flies out of your face when you sing. you can wring it out and start anew.
[Jun 20,2011 5:20pm - nekronaut ""]
Only being wasted on stage, considering you are the first band of the night, and drinking/singing is real.
[Jun 20,2011 5:24pm - Yeti ""]
only being wasted on stage is real. at any and all times.
[Jun 20,2011 5:28pm - Randy_Marsh ""]
Yeti said:the beard is necessary for the amount of beer that flies out of your face when you sing. you can wring it out and start anew.
Yes, i have seen Notshaver do this many times. I think he should start his own brewing company.
[Jun 20,2011 5:37pm - nekronaut ""]
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[Jun 20,2011 5:41pm - goatcatalyst ""]
Glass in hand like Dean fakkin Martin
[Jun 20,2011 5:50pm - moonroom72 ""]
Black Metal was always transcendental...this new stuff isn't a step forward at all.
[Jun 20,2011 5:51pm - Boozegood ""]
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TRANSCEND THAT MAH NUKKA
[Jun 20,2011 5:55pm - Alexecutioner ""]
Yeti said:only being wasted on stage is real. at any and all times.
only doing an entire set being black out drunk and not remembering that you even played a show the night before is real
[Jun 20,2011 6:03pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
i belive that is refered to as "double baggin it."
[Jun 20,2011 6:47pm - Czarnobog ""]
i could care less about woe or liturgy, but i think most people who front some kinda oh-so-innovative "artist with a vision" bullshit are almost always more ego than substance and a total waste of time. fuck bloated arty prog rock, "black" or otherwise.
i personally like my black metal like i like the death metal, punk, hardcore, and whatever other music i listen to: ugly, dark and abrasive.
[Jun 20,2011 6:49pm - Czarnobog ""]
and spikey.
more gauntlets = more chance for blood.
the dark ones look favorably on spilled blood.
[Jun 20,2011 7:30pm - GregD-blessedoffal ""]
Czarnobog said:i could care less about woe or liturgy, but i think most people who front some kinda oh-so-innovative "artist with a vision" bullshit are almost always more ego than substance and a total waste of time. fuck bloated arty prog rock, "black" or otherwise.
i personally like my black metal like i like the death metal, punk, hardcore, and whatever other music i listen to: ugly, dark and abrasive.
:point: This I can stand behind. :doublehorns::doublehorns:
[Jun 20,2011 7:40pm - BlessedOffalNLI ""]
FuckIsMySignature said:i belive that is refered to as "every blessed offal show ever."
[Jun 20,2011 11:03pm - douchebag_patrol ""]
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[Jun 21,2011 12:21am - Hunter Hendrix ""]
I googled my name and this came up. You guys just prove my point. And, while Chris made many good arguments, he just does not fully comprehend TBM. Honestly, I did not expect anything better from him. What a shame, we could have been so close.
[Jun 21,2011 12:28am - frankovhell ""]
Lol wut?
So what is your point exactly? That you transcend us neanderthals? That your music will matter in 10 years? 5 years? 3 years?
It wont. No one will give a shit. Its even pretty clear that your own brooklyn ass plungering bandmates don't either.
[Jun 21,2011 12:46am - i_am_not_me ""]
Transcendental trolling, you say? Hiding behind burst proxies, I bet.
[Jun 21,2011 12:48am - Boozegood ""]
Is this dude Jewish? He seems Jewish. I'd bet money he is a Jew. Or, at least one of them is.
[Jun 21,2011 1:11am - A Glowing Old Man in the Window ""]
Boozegood said:Is this dude Jewish? He seems Jewish. I'd bet money he is a Jew. Or, at least one of them is.
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[Jun 21,2011 1:36am - Lamp ""]
i_am_not_me said:Transcendental trolling, you say? Hiding behind burst proxies, I bet.
A substratum of chaotic proxies, if you will.
[Jun 21,2011 2:42am - DestroyYouAlot ""]
lol @ Hunter Hearst-Wrendrix
[Jun 21,2011 2:45am - late_rising ""]
xmikex said:And now I want to know... who booked that fucking Liturgy show in Brighton and why didn't they promote it?
I was under the impression that show had a big turnout. The kid who pours coffee at my brunch spot went. I assume it wasn't promoted in the metal scene but was promoted to the type of people who like Liturgy.
[Jun 21,2011 2:51am - DestroyYouAlot ""]
late_rising said: the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy.
[Jun 21,2011 2:59am - nekronaut ""]
DestroyYouAlot said:
late_rising said: the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy the type of people who like Liturgy.
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[Jun 21,2011 3:05am - Headbanging_Man ""]
Is that Deval Patrick?
[Jun 21,2011 3:30am - Headbanging_Man ""]
bobnomaamrooney said:It's not even a question of pastoral vs. urban black metal, there are a number of bands who capably write black metal that reflect their urban experiences. These "hipster" black metal bands seem unwilling to do so, whether it's a lack of knowledge beyond second-wave Norwegian bands or willful adherence to a narrow spectrum of influences I'm not sure. And it's a shame because you can make incredible black metal records with an urban context.
This!
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[Jun 21,2011 11:11am - Mutis ""]
Hunter%20Hendrix said:I googled my name and this came up. You guys just prove my point. And, while Chris made many good arguments, he just does not fully comprehend TBM. Honestly, I did not expect anything better from him. What a shame, we could have been so close.
Probably a troll, but:
Unless one's audience is a board of nuclear physicists, an intelligent essay is written for the average half-brain. This means using simple words that the average person understands. By admitting that Grigg doesn't comprehend "TBM", you're admitting that your essay is poorly written.
Only pseudo-intellectual idiots use big words to show off. Especially today, when you can press F12 on your keyboard and pull of a list of synonyms of which you can pick the one with the most letters. Usually when I hear a black metaller use big words to convince people they're intellectuals, it comes after the phrases "racially aware" or "blood and soil".
Now that's just plain ironic.
[Jun 21,2011 11:36am - burnsy ""]
Mutis said:Only pseudo-intellectual idiots use big words to show off.
I agree to an extent. I have a decent vocab and use 25 cent words here and there but I use them when that's the word I feel fits the context. Using words appropriately and using words just to impress people with how super-smart you are are two different things.
In this HHH interview... when he says that nonsense about the void being a substratum of chaos or whatever the fuck he said... that's the kind of person I believe you're describing. I wouldn't think he was a such a douche if he just kept shit like that to lyrics but when you're speaking like that in an interview, you come off as pretentious and seeming like you just downloaded the dictionary.com word of the day for the past month and tried to fit all you could into a single sentence.
[Jun 21,2011 1:08pm - Cunter Cunt-Cuntrix ""]
the void is a substratum of my butthole. enter the void.
[Jun 21,2011 2:07pm - Mutis ""]
burnsy said:
Mutis said:Only pseudo-intellectual idiots use big words to show off.
I agree to an extent. I have a decent vocab and use 25 cent words here and there but I use them when that's the word I feel fits the context. Using words appropriately and using words just to impress people with how super-smart you are are two different things.
...or when writing a screenplay for a Star Trek episode.
[Jun 21,2011 2:34pm - goatcatalyst ""]
sikk new Liturgy video
http://youtu.be/0lBy-04TdxY
[Jun 21,2011 2:44pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
i finally took a minute to actually check out this band. this is complete fucking garbage. also i checked out his interview. how can you even think you sound like you know what your talking about when every other word is "like"? that irritates me so much. i've heard more intelligent sounding children recite the alphabet.
"like, like, we are like black metal but like are better in so far as we like suck dicks while we transcend romanticism.."
[Jun 21,2011 2:47pm - Hunter Hendrix ""]
Lyrical content is inseperable from how I represent my music outside of songwriting and performance. I am the music I create.
[Jun 21,2011 2:51pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
No, you are a faggot.
[Jun 21,2011 2:55pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
goatcatalyst said:sikk new Liturgy video
http://youtu.be/0lBy-04TdxY
Haha, the director wasn't pleased when I called it "polishing a turd" a while back.
[Jun 21,2011 3:03pm - goatcatalyst ""]
You'll never get invited back to the Penetralium if you continue to withold these secrets, Steve.
[Jun 21,2011 3:07pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
Pretty sure he baleeted the comment right after responding to it, y'know, like a guy who's secure of his artistic integrity would. :D
[Jun 21,2011 3:16pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
i dont know about you guys but i'd have alot more respect for this hunt hunt fellow if he killed in himself in a drunk driving accident of sort.
[Jun 21,2011 3:58pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
FuckIsMySignature said:i dont know about you guys but i'd have alot more respect for this hunt hunt fellow if he killed in himself in a drunk driving accident of sort.
fully back'd
he'd be like the Jon Nödtveidt of hipsters
[Jun 21,2011 7:00pm - woeischris ""]
Hunter%20Hendrix said:Lyrical content is inseperable from how I represent my music outside of songwriting and performance. I am the music I create.
Get over yourself Hunter. Comments like these only fuel hatred and contempt for current black metal. I am sorry this has put such a strain on our friendship, but until you chill out I will keep reminding you of what an idiot you are being.
[Jun 21,2011 7:08pm - amorok666 ""]
Liturgys fucking gay. That is all.....
Also this:
bennyhillifier
[Jun 21,2011 7:11pm - Headbanging_Man ""]
woeischris said:I am sorry this has put such a strain on our friendship
Faggot
[Jun 21,2011 7:27pm - goatcatalyst ""]
All trolls. I'm not even posting in this thread. It's some degenerate fuckface from Peru
[Jun 21,2011 7:55pm - Hunter Hendrix ""]
What is a troll? And I\'m too cool for you Chria.
[Jun 21,2011 7:55pm - Hunter Hendrix ""]
What is a troll? And I\'m too cool for you Chris.
[Jun 21,2011 9:45pm - douchebag_patrol ""]
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[Jun 22,2011 8:18am - woeischris ""]
I wake up to this garbage? Hunter you are stupider than the people who post on this stupid website.
[Jun 22,2011 9:58am - The_Rooster ""]
http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2011/06/liturgys_hunter.html#more
Oh dear.
[Jun 22,2011 10:11am - arilliusbm ""]
It's too bad there's no New England tour date because I would love to stab his motherfucking-cocksucking-smirk-laden face with a rapier, then slice his head off with a machete and use it as a stage prop.
[Jun 22,2011 10:14am - shit that is brutal ""]
^
[Jun 22,2011 10:24am - Mutis ""]
Oh great, and give him more press?
[Jun 22,2011 10:33am - bobnomaamrooney ""]
I can't really understand why so many people argue over whether this band is black metal or not. They're clearly unblack/white metal in their philosophy. Oh wait I know why most people haven't figured out the white metal sham that is Transcendental Plan, they're buttdart posers who got into black metal thanks to Southern Lord.
[Jun 22,2011 10:34am - FuckIsMySignature ""]
i made it halfway through his response before i started to gag on my own vomit. someone beat up this turd already.
[Jun 22,2011 10:43am - FuckIsMySignature ""]
also lol at this comment:
"Remember the last time someone bad mouthed another black metal musician?"
Posted by Varg Vikernes
[Jun 22,2011 11:01am - ark ""]
"My word for this is: "The Arkwork." Liturgy is an Arkwork."
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[Jun 22,2011 11:07am - ark ""]
bobnomaamrooney said:Transcendental Plan
HUNTER NEEDS BRACES
[Jun 22,2011 11:08am - burnsy ""]
douchebag_patrol said:[img]
Baaaahaha, my ex is in this picture.
[Jun 22,2011 11:48am - Kvlt Hipster ""]
Pfft, LITURGY is too mainstream. The true elite fans of Hunter's work only listen to his old band BIRTHDAY BOYZ: http://www.myspace.com/birthdayboyz/
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[Jun 22,2011 12:35pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
The_Rooster said:http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2011/06/liturgys_hunter.html#more
Oh dear.
lol, it's on
[Jun 22,2011 12:39pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
a douche said:There has been a firestorm of criticism in the metal blogosphere about Liturgy and about me personally (ad hominem) and my ideas. I don't know how to respond directly to it because I don't recognize the object of attack -- it is a phantasm, a caricature, something different from the reality of our band and the reality of my personality, beliefs, aims, vision and so on. All I know is that I am not the arch-enemy of the black metal community, and that the internet is a crazy thing. And yet I'm not totally surprised by the reaction. And, though sometimes it makes me feel bad, at other times it fascinates me ... a chord has been struck somewhere.
So here I offer a few loosely related thoughts on black metal and counterculture: black metal is really profound as a culture and as a musical style -- more so than many people realize. I am very interested in an ethics concerned with ecstasy, the transcendental, and affirmation. Liturgy comes from the intersection of these two ideas. For me, black metal's virtue is that it can, using a combination of history, sound, and audacity, activate a connection to a sort of transcendental field, the perennial occult, the Absolute ... that it touches the spiritual and poetic channels of impossibility that are closed up most of the time. Or, at least, this is a potential within black metal. It can be isolated from other aspects of black metal and enhanced by means of cross-fertilization with other resonant forms of music. The task of Transcendental Black Metal is this isolation and enhancement.
Black metal is both an index of the death of the counterculture tradition and a way to to resurrect it. What right do I have to say that? I have none -- but this business of doing things one has no right to do is crucial to my outlook. I think counterculture lost its way when it turned its back on the revolutionary-spiritual-psychosexual-utopian ambition that gave birth to it and settled for a general attitude of "No." Impotent gestures of resistance to a system which will obviously always easily digest and extract exchange value from those gestures, the formation of little subcultures where people escape reality by congratulating each other for resembling one another - that is a dead, or at least very sick counterculture, one that the system has contained. Today the gestures themselves have almost died out. Mostly I just see cynical tribalism and people wanting to seem cool. That goes for almost every subculture, metal or otherwise. The term "Hyperborean Black Metal" refers explicitly to the explicit nihilism in black metal - but its real referent is the implicit nihilism in all rock; it refers to subculture identification as such, which in my view is ultimately a social neurosis, a blockage, something bad.
An American black metal that uses some BM techniques but combines them with the usual Anglo-American punk attitude is maybe inevitably coming into existence, but that's not what Liturgy is, it's not what I'm interested in. I think music should be global, Universal, not anti-anything or -anyone. It should be anti-anti, if anything. And it should be directed towards the universal goodness at the core of every human being, and it should address each person alone, as an individual. Our music is neither aimed at any particular niche audience, like the "metal community", nor the widest possible audience - it is simply the product of an intense urge, and it is directed in principle to anyone, generically.
Part of what drew me to black metal is the courage of members of the second wave. Something in their attitude allowed them to burst through the counterculture's carcass. That attitude is: grandiosity. I grew up more or less in the orbit of punk, but never really fit into it. It's because I've always had an almost unbearably intense sort of Wagnerian ambition ... the urge to create a system glowing with ethical power ... there's just no place for that in punk. But in black metal there is in fact a place for this ambition. I have a sense of pregnancy, in the sense that Henry Miller or Nietzsche talk about pregnancy. I feel pulled by an urge to create, to give birth to the greatest work of art I can possibly produce, with black metal as a starting point and always as a frame of reference. To generate a cultural product that doesn't just express the despicable state of affairs in the world, but something that, on the contrary, is a spark. Something that triggers a higher state, opens up a possibility. And this amounts to a kind of primordial, cosmic, excruciating "Yes." Aesthethica isn't necessarily product, but it is a step on the way. Maybe the whole thing will ultimately fail and the haters will rejoice. Whatever.
A lot of people don't take metal seriously as art, and a lot of people don't take art seriously as ethics. That's fine, I guess -- but as for myself, I do both. These days, when people detect ambition in someone they leap on that person like hyenas. The label "pretentious" is unquestioned as categorically damning. But I think musical culture could use a whole lot more pretension, if anything. It suffers from false, dishonest humility, and from a lack of ambition to be more than either entertainment or a badge of identification with a group. I think the haters have blinders on, and that they are misdirecting their aggressive energy. Somehow, they are hiding.
I'm interested in the act of declaring something and daring others to disagree; there's something magical about it. So maybe the caricature I mentioned above is exactly what I want. It's like planting a little sprout that gets watered from the frothing mouths of those who are enraged by its existence. It is a part of the child-rearing. My word for this is: "The Arkwork." Liturgy is an Arkwork. It's not just the songs, albums, shows -- it's also the reactions, the suffering, the stigma, the misrecognitions, the resoluteness, the unexpected detours. To be "pretentious," grandiose, to remain faithful to an impossible goal, to stay in contact with one's own desire and follow through with its consequences, unsure of what they will be ... to be real. That's what it is to live, I think, and to spread life. I hardly know why I'm writing this and have doubts that it's a "good idea," but the act is consistent I think with the ethic I'm trying to describe.
- Hunter Hunt-Hendrix
NO SEMANTIC CONTENT WHATSOEVER
[Jun 22,2011 12:39pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
I love the obsession with "ethics". NOT GETTING IT - NOW IN TURBO MODE
[Jun 22,2011 12:42pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
DestroyYouAlot said:I love the obsession with "ethics". NOT GETTING IT - NOW IN TURBO MODE
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[Jun 22,2011 4:32pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
hahaha, nice
[Jun 22,2011 4:33pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
eric ist pregnant
[Jun 22,2011 5:10pm - bobnomaamrooney ""]
Did you see that guy's balls?
[Jun 22,2011 8:18pm - ancient master ""]
In a 1957 lecture, Experimental Music, he (John Cage) described music as "a purposeless play" which is "an affirmation of life – not an attempt to bring order out of chaos nor to suggest improvements in creation, but simply a way of waking up to the very life we're living".
[Jun 22,2011 9:29pm - nekronaut ""]
Hey Alex, do you know if these guys have touched dicks yet?
[Jun 23,2011 12:06am - GregD-blessedoffal ""]
And it keeps getting better and better.
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[Aug 12,2011 7:05am - Alx_Casket ""]
bennyhillifier
[Aug 12,2011 10:04am - Alexecutioner ""]
Sooo. Did they touch dicks yet?
[Apr 29,2013 3:50pm - Snowden ""]
Somehow I'd never read this before and kept not getting around to checking it out. I'm glad I did, if only for:
I'm gonna be really snobby here and say that I think playing out of combo amps is not acceptable.
[Apr 29,2013 3:59pm - goatcatalyst ""]
LOL at anyone who gave that rich kid twat an ounce of attention and actually read his "manifesto". Eat shit in Heaven.
[Apr 29,2013 4:37pm - Burnsy ""]
LOL. I guess he even responded to it. On the next episode of Hipster Hospital
--
Liturgy - "High Gold"
LITURGY's REBUTTAL (via Stereogum).
There has been a firestorm of criticism in the metal blogosphere about Liturgy and about me personally (ad hominem) and my ideas. I don't know how to respond directly to it because I don't recognize the object of attack -- it is a phantasm, a caricature, something different from the reality of our band and the reality of my personality, beliefs, aims, vision and so on. All I know is that I am not the arch-enemy of the black metal community, and that the internet is a crazy thing. And yet I'm not totally surprised by the reaction. And, though sometimes it makes me feel bad, at other times it fascinates me ... a chord has been struck somewhere.
So here I offer a few loosely related thoughts on black metal and counterculture: black metal is really profound as a culture and as a musical style -- more so than many people realize. I am very interested in an ethics concerned with ecstasy, the transcendental, and affirmation. Liturgy comes from the intersection of these two ideas. For me, black metal's virtue is that it can, using a combination of history, sound, and audacity, activate a connection to a sort of transcendental field, the perennial occult, the Absolute ... that it touches the spiritual and poetic channels of impossibility that are closed up most of the time. Or, at least, this is a potential within black metal. It can be isolated from other aspects of black metal and enhanced by means of cross-fertilization with other resonant forms of music. The task of Transcendental Black Metal is this isolation and enhancement.
Black metal is both an index of the death of the counterculture tradition and a way to to resurrect it. What right do I have to say that? I have none -- but this business of doing things one has no right to do is crucial to my outlook. I think counterculture lost its way when it turned its back on the revolutionary-spiritual-psychosexual-utopian ambition that gave birth to it and settled for a general attitude of "No." Impotent gestures of resistance to a system which will obviously always easily digest and extract exchange value from those gestures, the formation of little subcultures where people escape reality by congratulating each other for resembling one another - that is a dead, or at least very sick counterculture, one that the system has contained. Today the gestures themselves have almost died out. Mostly I just see cynical tribalism and people wanting to seem cool. That goes for almost every subculture, metal or otherwise. The term "Hyperborean Black Metal" refers explicitly to the explicit nihilism in black metal - but its real referent is the implicit nihilism in all rock; it refers to subculture identification as such, which in my view is ultimately a social neurosis, a blockage, something bad.
An American black metal that uses some BM techniques but combines them with the usual Anglo-American punk attitude is maybe inevitably coming into existence, but that's not what Liturgy is, it's not what I'm interested in. I think music should be global, Universal, not anti-anything or -anyone. It should be anti-anti, if anything. And it should be directed towards the universal goodness at the core of every human being, and it should address each person alone, as an individual. Our music is neither aimed at any particular niche audience, like the "metal community", nor the widest possible audience - it is simply the product of an intense urge, and it is directed in principle to anyone, generically.
Part of what drew me to black metal is the courage of members of the second wave. Something in their attitude allowed them to burst through the counterculture's carcass. That attitude is: grandiosity. I grew up more or less in the orbit of punk, but never really fit into it. It's because I've always had an almost unbearably intense sort of Wagnerian ambition ... the urge to create a system glowing with ethical power ... there's just no place for that in punk. But in black metal there is in fact a place for this ambition. I have a sense of pregnancy, in the sense that Henry Miller or Nietzsche talk about pregnancy. I feel pulled by an urge to create, to give birth to the greatest work of art I can possibly produce, with black metal as a starting point and always as a frame of reference. To generate a cultural product that doesn't just express the despicable state of affairs in the world, but something that, on the contrary, is a spark. Something that triggers a higher state, opens up a possibility. And this amounts to a kind of primordial, cosmic, excruciating "Yes." Aesthethica isn't necessarily product, but it is a step on the way. Maybe the whole thing will ultimately fail and the haters will rejoice. Whatever.
A lot of people don't take metal seriously as art, and a lot of people don't take art seriously as ethics. That's fine, I guess -- but as for myself, I do both. These days, when people detect ambition in someone they leap on that person like hyenas. The label "pretentious" is unquestioned as categorically damning. But I think musical culture could use a whole lot more pretension, if anything. It suffers from false, dishonest humility, and from a lack of ambition to be more than either entertainment or a badge of identification with a group. I think the haters have blinders on, and that they are misdirecting their aggressive energy. Somehow, they are hiding.
I'm interested in the act of declaring something and daring others to disagree; there's something magical about it. So maybe the caricature I mentioned above is exactly what I want. It's like planting a little sprout that gets watered from the frothing mouths of those who are enraged by its existence. It is a part of the child-rearing. My word for this is: "The Arkwork." Liturgy is an Arkwork. It's not just the songs, albums, shows -- it's also the reactions, the suffering, the stigma, the misrecognitions, the resoluteness, the unexpected detours. To be "pretentious," grandiose, to remain faithful to an impossible goal, to stay in contact with one's own desire and follow through with its consequences, unsure of what they will be ... to be real. That's what it is to live, I think, and to spread life. I hardly know why I'm writing this and have doubts that it's a "good idea," but the act is consistent I think with the ethic I'm trying to describe.
- Hunter Hunt-Hendrix
[Apr 29,2013 4:50pm - Burnsy ""]
Oops, repoast. Oh well.
[Apr 29,2013 6:26pm - Snowden ""]
IF YOU ARE A COMBO AMP DO NOT ENTRY
[Apr 29,2013 6:39pm - satanist ""]
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3u5u3r/
[Apr 30,2013 8:39am - Yeti ""]
get the fuck over yourself.
[Apr 30,2013 2:47pm - Happy Hipster ""]
Hahahaha what a joke. Liturgy are fucking black metal legends, and who is this dude from Woe? NO ONE. What a loser to try an instruct his betters.
[Apr 30,2013 3:23pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""]
This thread reminds me that I still have not heard Liturgy. Only Liturgy with Matti Way is real.
[Apr 30,2013 5:07pm - Liturgy vs. Woe ""]
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[Apr 30,2013 5:32pm - boblovesmusic ""]
yeah even I found Liturgy to be kinda bad
[Apr 30,2013 7:09pm - Snowden ""]
Yeah, they sound like Lightning Bolt riffs pasted over sloppy blasts. Totally corny and barely metal at all, and I say that as someone who intentionally listens to Velvet Cacoon once in awhile.
[Apr 30,2013 7:11pm - Snowden ""]
But from a comedy standpoint, I love that he makes a big deal of being "beyond" the mere blastbeats his drummer very obviously can't play. Little details like that and Woe Dude's anti-combo amp fixation are what really make this band beef.
[Nov 19,2019 1:17am - krogerfeedback ""]
Stupid filtered SPAMBOT post: 157.48.53.177