[News] Swiss freezing of Wikileaks Bank account / Twitter Censoring Wikileaks
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[Dec 7,2010 11:48am - eddienli ""]
any corruption in our armed forces in regards to Afghanistan; effects Americans directly because it will ultimately drag out the war longer. It undermines the American strategy, and will lose the confidence of non-extremist Pashtuns. Thus security in the region will be unattainable. Bad for everyone.
[Dec 7,2010 12:00pm - burnsy ""]
All I found were articles alleging that the leaks expose corruption within Afgahnistan's government. I read nothing about our armed forces. And I don't think your logic that it would drag the war out longer is accurate. Maybe it wouldn't... maybe it wouldn't... Unfortunately it seems our troops are stuck there for a while not matter how you slice it.
What exactly is our strategy anyways haha?
[Dec 7,2010 12:01pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
USA Stategy - Kill little brown people and take their shit.
[Dec 7,2010 12:03pm - burnsy ""]
Not big brown people? I'd imagine they'd have more shit. =(
[Dec 7,2010 12:16pm - eddienli ""]
"USA Stategy - Kill little brown people and take their shit."
who? pashtuns are blue eyed indo-europeans. Tajiks(persian kinda? i forget), Hazars(displaced mongrels) and Uzbeks(look sort of like asian/russian), aren't normally found in the Taliban. So i don't know what brown people your talking about. Just an ignorant comment by someone who has no knowledge of the ethnic makeup of the country.
It took me one google search to find troops doing something stupid in Afghanistan, uncovered by wiki leaks.
Last I checked the strategy was to gain local support by non-fundamentalists. It hard to gain support from someone when you kill their family for no reason.(hypothetical) This seems pretty logical to me why do you need a source that would just be speculation anyways? want my credentials
[Dec 7,2010 12:17pm - sever ""]
Remember that thing about needing to water the liberty tree with the blood of tyrants? I think I might see some clouds coming our way...
[Dec 7,2010 12:18pm - arktouros ""]
burnsy said:What exactly is our strategy anyways haha?
Honoring government military contracts and making rich profiteers in the private sector richer (see Dick Cheney). Why burn opium fields of regular Afghan citizens? Certainly not because your sister is smoking it.
[Dec 7,2010 12:21pm - eddienli ""]
Dostum should have been the afghan president. Or Massoud, if he wasn't dead.
[Dec 7,2010 12:26pm - sever ""]
It is also interesting to point out that Sweden dropped the rape allegations last September...
This man's ability to leak so much, so quickly and so efficiently is pissing a lot of very, very, very powerful people off. With all the groups springing to the support of WikiLeaks, and all the groups trying their hardest to eradicate it from the net, what we have here is the biggest digital battle ever fought over net neutrality. I'm willing to bet there are more simultaneous denial of service attacks going on than ever before. Shit is going to hit the proverbial fan on this.
[Dec 7,2010 12:34pm - burnsy ""]
eddienli said:"USA Stategy - Kill little brown people and take their shit."
who? pashtuns are blue eyed indo-europeans. Tajiks(persian kinda? i forget), Hazars(displaced mongrels) and Uzbeks(look sort of like asian/russian), aren't normally found in the Taliban. So i don't know what brown people your talking about. Just an ignorant comment by someone who has no knowledge of the ethnic makeup of the country.
It took me one google search to find troops doing something stupid in Afghanistan, uncovered by wiki leaks.
Last I checked the strategy was to gain local support by non-fundamentalists. It hard to gain support from someone when you kill their family for no reason.(hypothetical) This seems pretty logical to me why do you need a source that would just be speculation anyways? want my credentials
My search wasn't for troops doing something stupid in Afghanistan.
Why do I need a source? Because I made a point to which Fuckismysignature made a counter point. Being the open-minded person that I am, I like to see sources so that I can evolve my opinions. Don't need your credentials.
My comment about how I didn't agree with your logic was rooted in the fact that you said corruption on the part of the troops would extend the war, not that gaining support from locals when you're killing their families was difficult. Corruption can entail a lot of things. But I can agree with you that if the strategy is to gain support from non-fundamentalist locals, killing their families will undoubtedly slow down the process.
[Dec 7,2010 12:58pm - arilliusbm ""]
It is obvious that these major corporations are cutting ties because they're feeling extreme pressure from either the government itself, or they're doing it our of fear of being linked to it.. if the shit hits the fan even more.
One must remember that this country is now owned by corporations. Congress is corrupt and most congressmen just sponsor bills because it means more money for them and their district. We've lost all sense of what being American is about.
It should be noted by now that America is indeed on its last leg. History usually repeats itself. We are internally destroying ourself, just like the Romans. We are overstepping our bounds and have too much say in sovereign countries - just like the Romans. Our Hegemonic ideas have exhausted our resources, and our lack of attention to reshaping politics and looking beyond the false paradigm of the two party system will lead this country down.
If anything, we'll possibly split the country up into different areas in the next 20-30 years or so, after WWIII, that is.
[Dec 7,2010 1:11pm - arktouros ""]
state's rights, abolish the fed, destroy military bases, problem solved.
[Dec 7,2010 1:12pm - arktouros ""]
sort of.
[Dec 7,2010 1:14pm - arilliusbm ""]
"destroy military bases"
hahahaha, good luck.
[Dec 7,2010 1:16pm - goatcatalyst ""]
It's times like this I wish our faggot country were an intolerant theocracy.
[Dec 7,2010 1:19pm - Yeti ""]
come join the Cult of Yetiism.
[Dec 7,2010 1:32pm - outlaw19 ""]
Slag%20NLI said:
MasterCard pulls plug on WikiLeaks payments... F-ing typical. Wikileaks exposes the secret machinations of the US gov - and the US gov targets wikileaks.
So much for all their gov crap about *freedom of speech*.
The US gov goes a *honey trap* against Assange and gets him arrested and denied bail - and then they get IP providers to deny wikileaks US websites.
Then they put pressure to get Mastercard and paypal to kick wikileaks into touch, then put pressure on the Swiss gov to freeze Assange's bank accounts.
Big Brother Lives - in the US.
Then Palin and her ilk says Assange has *blood on his hands* to divert attention form all the blood the US gov has on it's hands.
And yet the Press don't complain about all this tyranny...
Wikileaks is just making public what the US and other govs does in secret. Showing them for the utter hypocrites such govs are.
So much for humankind - they don;t deserve to survive.
[Dec 7,2010 1:38pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
Yeti said:come join the Cult of Yetiism.
only the Cult of Personality is real.
[Dec 7,2010 1:40pm - anonymous ""]
outlaw19 said:F-ing typicalWhat gets me are all those who criticize Assange - and who don't see the Swedish events as a typical CIA honey-trap operation.
The Swedish and Brit governments just show themselves as lickspitles of the US, kissing the arse of the tyrants in DC.
Now - where are fucking hell are all the protest songs??
[Dec 7,2010 2:39pm - anonymous ""]
FuckIsMySignature said:how has this guy not gotten shot yetWhy has the US government not been held accountable for all the blood on it's hands?
Why have other Western governments meekly done the bidding of the US government by getting Assange arrested and his bank accounts frozen?
Why isn't the so called free Western press calling the US government to account for its murderous policies in Iraq and Afghanistan and why are they not calling for the immediate release of Assange?
By getting Assange arrested and defaming him they have cleverly shifted the focus away from their culpability, their crimes against humanity.
And the suckers just fall in line with the tyrants and call for the blood of Assange :(
[Dec 7,2010 2:43pm - Slag ""]
This thread has been hijacked by hire-a-myatt.
[Dec 7,2010 3:18pm - Yeti ""]
WHERE IS CONSERVATIONIST WHEN YOU NEED HIM??!!!
[Dec 7,2010 3:21pm - Slag ""]
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[Dec 7,2010 3:50pm - slag nli ""]
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Visa and Mastercard won't allow wikileaks donations, but will allow organizations like this to use them..
[Dec 7,2010 4:07pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
haha wow.
[Dec 7,2010 4:42pm - Maxwell Smart‘s shoe phone ""]
http://hubpages.com/hub/Wikileaks-Rape-Vic...s-Ties-to-CIA-Julian-Assange-Arrest
Hmmm...what a surprise
[Dec 7,2010 8:51pm - anonymous ""]
arktouros said:i agree that governments need to operate with secrecy No they don't. It's just become accepted and expected 'cos it's the easy option.
Imagine if they were honest and not two faced.
Secrecy is just an excuse used to avoid personal responsibility and accountability and to be devious.
What a crappy world where deception and lying and dishonesty and avoiding responsibility are accepted at the very highest level.
The government should set an example - not act a deceiving partner in an unequal relationship.
[Dec 7,2010 8:57pm - anonymous ""]
Maxwell%20Smart‘s%20shoe%20phone said:http://hubpages.com/hub/Wikileaks-Rape-Vic...s-Ties-to-CIA-Julian-Assange-Arrest The article you are looking for is no longer published.
Yep - no surprise that the article been taken down.
[Dec 7,2010 9:07pm - arktouros ""]
anonymous said:
arktouros said:i agree that governments need to operate with secrecy No they don't. It's just become accepted and expected 'cos it's the easy option.
different times friend, i'd say that were the case in dealing with Nazi Germany. 'cept now the only fascists around are....
[Dec 8,2010 1:26am - mother ""]
the irony of everyone constantly bitching about not having the right to true free speech is too much. say something worth listening to for once or who gives a shit/???
[Dec 8,2010 4:46am - TheRidersofDoom ""]
arilliusbm said:
If anything, we'll possibly split the country up into different areas in the next 20-30 years or so, after WWIII, that is.
This is my political wet-dream
Historically it is much more difficult to rule a large landmass than a small landmass
look at the examples: Rome, Ancient Persia, Alexander the Great's empire, Russia, China, India, U.S.A., and Britian.
All have had long and bumpy histories both within and without their borders.
Areas like Iceland, Norway, many small European republics, Sweden, and other countries have had relatively easier histories except for where the big guys above fucked with them.
The thing is Jefferson knew he committed a grave crime when he bought the Louisiana purchase. He is said to have regretted it the rest of his life for not only was it against the constitution but he knew it would bring us into many conflicts both with the remaining European empires in the western hemisphere and the natives who were already pushed out there to make room for the seaboard colonies.
I say we break the union before it comes to a civil war round 2. I don't give a fuck about this divided we fall crap, that's just starry-eyed propaganda meant to make sure it's easier for us to be raped by politicians and corporations as a whole.
plus, who wants to be in a union with states like kansas, alabama, georgia, tennesse, mississippi?
[Dec 8,2010 4:49am - Joe Mama ""]
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[Dec 8,2010 6:48am - Slag NLI ""]
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[Dec 8,2010 6:50am - Slag NLI ""]
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[Dec 8,2010 7:00am - Slag NLI ""]
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101207/...ublishing-wikileaks-documents.shtml
Sen Lieberman says NY times should be investigated publishing wikileaks documents..
[Dec 8,2010 7:26am - Slag NLI ""]
Slag%20NLI said:[img]
Title in the center: Freedom, american style.
The first frame on the left: freedom of press, the ducks have "lies" and "slander" written on them
the second frame on the left: Freedom of opinion, the paper in judge\'s hands has "sentence for communist beliefs" written on it
first frame on the right: freedom of the individual
second frame on the right: freedom of assembly and demonstrations.
[Dec 8,2010 2:18pm - anonymous ""]
Slag said:This thread has been hijacked by hire-a-myatt.for those in the UK - that's Rent-a-Myatt
[Dec 9,2010 9:45am - reimroc ""]
theres only so much DDoSing i can do before comcast shut me off and threatened to press charges. which they did. should of lined up more shells and proxy servers. oh well.
[Dec 9,2010 9:47am - Slag NLI ""]
are you on iirc?
[Dec 9,2010 9:52am - reimroc ""]
i use my own server. well i did. all the /i/ servers are useless and filled with loic using retards. i do my shit old school.
i can't do anything right now because im stuck leeching my neighbors wifi until i can get actual internet. fucking comcast was PISSED. i had to keep setting up proxied botnets to keep them from throttling me.
[Dec 9,2010 10:00am - ark ""]
only spoofing your cable modem's mac address and piggybacking onto someone's unsuspecting paid connection is real.
[Dec 9,2010 10:31am - Slag NLI ""]
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Awesome.
[Dec 9,2010 11:38am - DestroyYouAlot ""]
tl,dr; did it for the lulz
[Dec 9,2010 11:51am - arilliusbm ""]
Reimroc is 1337 h4x0R
Figures too, dis nigga camps with an AWP behind the boxes in de_dust
[Dec 9,2010 12:15pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
can't wait to read "Anon's LOLic Wars" in a few decades
[Dec 9,2010 12:30pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_wikileaks_cyberwarfare_amateur
[Dec 9,2010 1:11pm - Doomkid ""]
Hahahaha, 'Thomas A Beckett Syndrome'. Fucking awesome.
[Dec 9,2010 1:44pm - Slag NLI ""]
http://www.standalone-sysadmin.com/blog/2010/12/easydns-to-host-wikileaks/
Some good news. A company standing up.
[Dec 9,2010 1:50pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
bennyhillifier
HOLD THE LINE, ANON
[Dec 9,2010 2:31pm - not some horrid demoman ""]
arilliusbm said:Reimroc is 1337 h4x0R
Figures too, dis nigga camps with an AWP behind the boxes in de_dust
at least i'm not blowing myself up