Read this convo with Joe of New England Concerts & OIV in regards to Mark's showplace. I ask for us to be a comunity and boycott these fuckers.[views:30364][posts:238]_______________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 2:22pm - mike at zero ""] In regards to a suffocation show, Joe of New England Concerts & OIV: I will be heading uo tp the office soon and will check if there is still any openings for that bill. You might have to play a different show first to see how your band works out for us. All shows are ticketed events and bands are required to pre sell tickets. National acts require 50-75 tickets to play. Are you able to do this? Life at Zero:We've palyed mark's with Suffocation, kryptopsy, goatwhore, we belong on this bill. ask Bernie. Joe of New England Concerts & OIV:You guys are added to the November 17th Suffocation show. You can do one of 2 things. Either 50 tickets to play or 75 and New England Concerts will give you 25 free for you to sell and make $500. Let me know what you are able to do. Also is there any way you could hop on the July 28th Till we Die & One In Vain show this Saturday and have 20-30 people show up with out selling tickets? Please send me a contact number. Thanks-- Joe Life at zero:Well my band said no to either show, and i have to agree. The whole, us selling 50 tickets for pay to play is rediculous. What is the point of a promoter that doesn't lift a finger but gets paid regardless. How bout you pay the local bands regardless, you sell the tickets, and stop bleeding the local bands dry to fill your pockets. I found out or last show was supposed to be with Fuck the facts and you guys offered them more money to steel money from local bands. looks like we are starting a boycott of the rock club, and we will bring others with us./ Remeber the bombshelter, we helped shut them down we can do the same to you. Besides, shows aren't fun with TNT nazi security there Joe of New England Concerts & OIV:Wow - if you guys had a clue on how it works you would be red faced with stupidity. Good luck playing in front of 20 people for ever. Thanks for your kind words and good luck getting booked at any major venue Life at zero:Sweet joe, i posted this on Rttp, Goodluck now fuckface. We have more respect in the local seen then you assraping retards. And we don't need your approval to play anywhere in new england. 20 people huh, when did you guys turn into the biggest promoters in the universe fuckstick? You actually believe that you control the local seen? I'll post this for all the local bands you use to read, and see where you have support. I'm sure you can always use Black out Frenzy and C.S.D.O to play all your shows. So are you actually the guy who sucks the "national" act's dicks to get them to play that shit hole? I hope you all rot on a blazing altar of syphilis! |
| _______________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 2:23pm - mike at zero ""] oops, i misspelled community in the title of the thread |
| _______________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 2:43pm - mike at zero ""] I'm really hurt, so hurt. |
| _________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 2:48pm - sxealex ""] man fuck that guy and fuck pay to play bullshit |
| __________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 2:54pm - Mr. Big ""] It sounds like you just didn't want to work. You asked him to play and cryed about the details. Grow up - have you ever done business before in this industry? |
| __________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 2:57pm - toc nli ""] Mr. Big said:It sounds like you just didn't want to work. You asked him to play and cryed about the details. Grow up - have you ever done business before in this industry? pff, what band would ever write this? A carpenter doesn't pay to work. A chef doesn't pay to work. A musician does not have to pay to work, nor should they. Screwing musicians is pretty "in" now due to the high volume of people playing music. Just because the market is flooded doesn't mean you have a right to rape hard working people out of money. |
| _________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 2:58pm - sxealex ""] "the industry" you shut the fuck up mr big... its art it doesn't need to be an industry. you make your music and people pay to hear it. life at zero is pretty fuckin rad and these 3 or 4 companies that do this pay to play bs dont get bands anywhere unless they feel like it. its all this american idol bullshit about being discovered rather than working your ass off like the majority of good hardworking bands. |
| __________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 2:59pm - Sinistas ""] If you've played at Mark's before, then why did you expect something different? They make you buy tickets upfront, and he said as such in the first message. There was no need to flame him and threaten a boycott when he did nothing to provoke it. I don't agree with the way things are done at Mark's, but there are too many high-profile shows for any boycott to work. Especially when this is how you go about starting it. |
| __________________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 3:00pm - largefreakatzero ""] I wouldn't have gotten into it with these tools, Mike. A simple "No thank you, good luck with your club" would have sufficed. Don't bother with threats, it's not worth it. To anonymous pussy above, I have a job that pays me well. The band is for fun. Selling tickets = not fun. If I wanted to "do business in this industry" I would be playing a style of music that appeals to the masses. The end. |
| ______________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 3:00pm - the_reverend ""] who is joe? Name's not ringing a bell. |
| _______________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 3:02pm - mike at zero ""] Yeah we have played and done this, it's taking advantage of the little guys we dont like. People drive for hours sometimes to play on these shows and recieve nothing. If you are not in support of the local seen take yor comments somewhere else. |
| _________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 3:02pm - sxealex ""] im glad he said something about this kind of set up is bullshit. its really unacceptable extortion for professional bands. |
| _______________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 3:05pm - mike at zero ""] Joe is from some band called One in Vain. And he is some new guy working for New England concerts |
| __________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 3:06pm - Sinistas ""] I'm not disagreeing with the whole buy tickets thing, believe me...But to just launch into that sort of rant unprovoked is kind of fucked up. People tend to disregard things said in anger, even if they're grounded in good sense. I try to support the scene however I can, whether it's setting up shows or doing free web design and hosting for bands, so it's not like I'm against local bands or anything. It's just that this sort of deal with Mark's is nothing new, and this debate has been had before. |
| _______________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 3:07pm - mike at zero ""] There were a lot of High profile bands at the Bombshelter too, it is very possible to do anything, just takes support. |
| _________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 3:11pm - sxealex ""] largefreakatzero said:I wouldn't have gotten into it with these tools, Mike. A simple "No thank you, good luck with your club" would have sufficed. Don't bother with threats, it's not worth it. To anonymous pussy above, I have a job that pays me well. The band is for fun. Selling tickets = not fun. If I wanted to "do business in this industry" I would be playing a style of music that appeals to the masses. The end. normally i would agree with you but im sick of seeing this shit. a promoter's job is to invest in a bands performance and promote it. the way they have it set up is: they not only steal the performance but they steal money and time off the performer and dont do shit but own venue or acquaint a venue owner. Then the booking agents come to them. I mean look at the metal brothers that used to do music business in Albany. They would pay every band. And they did ok for a decent period. And they were just as hype-filled as the NE concerts bs. I mean even all their emails were in caps. But at least they did have a twisted sense of business like these fucks. Ill play for free.... but I would almost never pay to play. |
| _______________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 3:12pm - mike at zero ""] Well It's about time people stop getting fucked by these guys. Yes I admit, i am high tempered and in the wrong about my comments, but the last reply of theirs is pretty fuckin lame, as well as a general attitude the have about everyone who has played there. If you work hard on your music, your art, you practically bleed for it, you should get paid. if we are to sell tickets, then why not give the bands 1/3 of all ticket sales, then it wouldn't be so bad, but that is not the case. |
| _________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 3:15pm - sxealex ""] If marks is the local venue for big acts... and the people want it... the people should take it. We live in a democracy. If the majority dont like how something is being handled you bring it up to get it changed. |
| ________________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 3:22pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] As far as I know, only metal bands fall for this shit. Punk/hardcore bands are usually at least getting some gas money and maybe a t-shirt sale or two. And my gf's father is making over a hundred a night (per person) with his Irish/country/oldies band, or he ain't showing up. It just keeps happening because it keeps being allowed to happen - and because young bands don't know any better. |
| ______________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 3:22pm - the_reverend ""] after reading this whole thread, the most shocking thing is that cryptopsy is spelt wrong. wow.. just wow... |
| ________________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 3:23pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] the_reverend said:after reading this whole thread, the most shocking thing is that cryptopsy is spelt wrong. wow.. just wow... Cyrpoptsy. |
| ______________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 3:24pm - the_reverend ""] http://www.google.com/search?q=Cyrpoptsy&i...lla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a Did you mean: Cyrptopsy |
| _______________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 3:24pm - mike at zero ""] ooops, i suck. Sorry Rev. I'm not hip with the music the kids listen to. |
| _________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 3:26pm - Anthny ""] Old news.. FUCK MARKS. Nuff said. I wish whatever out of state booking company kept on working with NEC and giving these tours to them would cease and desist. |
| _______________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 3:26pm - mike at zero ""] We should support our promoter friends within the ranks of the metal community. It's all about supporting local music. that's all. |
| ______________________________ [Jul 25,2007 3:27pm - Yeti ""] what i'm hoping is that all of this gets Scott Lee off his ass. get cracking you fuck, take the good shows back! |
| ________________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 3:35pm - guitar master ""] I used to pay in a band called absoulte zero then colbalt casing. We played all around the east coast and had met some of the top people in the music scene by playing shows that we had to sell tickets for. I can honestly say It was the time of my life. We went from playing local shity dives to larger local dives and this is when we started selling tickets to our shows. We went from playing infront of 50- 100 people on a regular to 300-3,500 (depending on the venue and other bands). I know first hand that the promoters are not getting rich or taking advantage of the bands they book. A promoters job is to get as many people possible to a show and there best weapon for this is to have the bands promote themselves. It costs over $2000 dollars for radio adds and marketing tools. Where do you think the money comes from to promote a show at this scale? In todays market there is no more $50,000 record deals just given to a band for being a good musical group. Large record labels want to see you bringin a ton of people to shows as well as over all cd's sold. I agree with some of you about the art end of the musical spectrum but don't agree one bit with your cause to boycotte a club or bussiness just cause you can't do the work needed to bring a few hundred people out to the show. Mike you sound like a little kid with your insulsts of insecurity. Companies like the one pre mentioned above can truly help take a band from local status and make them national. |
| ________________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 3:42pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] guitar master said:I used to pay in a band called absoulte zero then colbalt casing. We played all around the east coast and had met some of the top people in the music scene by playing shows that we had to sell tickets for. I can honestly say It was the time of my life. We went from playing local shity dives to larger local dives and this is when we started selling tickets to our shows. We went from playing infront of 50- 100 people on a regular to 300-3,500 (depending on the venue and other bands). I know first hand that the promoters are not getting rich or taking advantage of the bands they book. A promoters job is to get as many people possible to a show and there best weapon for this is to have the bands promote themselves. It costs over $2000 dollars for radio adds and marketing tools. Where do you think the money comes from to promote a show at this scale? In todays market there is no more $50,000 record deals just given to a band for being a good musical group. Large record labels want to see you bringin a ton of people to shows as well as over all cd's sold. I agree with some of you about the art end of the musical spectrum but don't agree one bit with your cause to boycotte a club or bussiness just cause you can't do the work needed to bring a few hundred people out to the show. Mike you sound like a little kid with your insulsts of insecurity. Companies like the one pre mentioned above can truly help take a band from local status and make them national. Hi, Joe of New England Concerts & OIV. |
| _________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 3:44pm - sxealex ""] how many rich friends you have should not reflect on ur music career. save that for numetal/Christian hardcore. I'm glad you had a fun time selling tickets and you probably had great success. But it shouldnt come this way. I did a pay to play once with DITK and we played DEAD LAST at 11 pm at the palladium.. we sold almost 75 tickets and gave them all the $. we played to 30 kids we knew already. When we put on our own shows we would make like 1200 bucks and pay all the bands well. they made $ off us and we got shit out of it. |
| ________________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 3:44pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] BTW, smart bands promote themselves. Selling tickets is not promotion. Of course, any honest club owner is giving the bands a cut of the door (as opposed to making them run their asses off and risk going into debt to play), and so the bands have an actual motivation to self-promote. |
| __________________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 3:47pm - Dwellingsickness ""] If local bands could DRAW, there would be no reason for pay to play. And no bands had anything to do with the Bombshelter shutting down, Sorry Mike. |
| _________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 3:47pm - sxealex ""] yea if bands wanna invest money... they should just book their own big acts. The middle man is just usurping . |
| ________________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 3:56pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] I really believe this problem exists because the metal scene - or, rather, too many bands/people IN the metal scene - is still so focused on big-label dreams and "getting discovered." Problem being that only shit bands get the big payoff - big music just isn't interested in good metal. You Are Not Going To Be The Next Metallica. As much as the spin-kick girl-pants and/or xbeatyouupx hardcore scenes eat dick, they've at least got this part down pat. They book their own shows and venues, on their own terms. |
| __________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 3:58pm - HCP Fan ""] mike at zero said:Joe is from some band called One in Vain. And he is some new guy working for New England concerts Mike -- You must not have a clue about life........... I live in Boston and frequent most of the venues in the area. I am pretty sure I remember One In Vain selling out the Avalon a few weeks ago. You might not like the way it works but if I am not mistaken that was a New England Concert event. I wouldn't be the least bit suprised if the venue made a million and the promoter barely made ends meet. And you should ask the bands how much they made . I bet it is close to $0. I don't think I have ever seen a pit as big as the one when that group started to play. You have a lot to learn |
| _________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 4:01pm - sxealex ""] NOT |
| _________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 4:02pm - sxealex ""] [img] |
| ________________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 4:05pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] HCP Fan said:mike at zero said:Joe is from some band called One in Vain. And he is some new guy working for New England concerts Mike -- You must not have a clue about life........... I live in Boston and frequent most of the venues in the area. I am pretty sure I remember One In Vain selling out the Avalon a few weeks ago. You might not like the way it works but if I am not mistaken that was a New England Concert event. I wouldn't be the least bit suprised if the venue made a million and the promoter barely made ends meet. And you should ask the bands how much they made . I bet it is close to $0. I don't think I have ever seen a pit as big as the one when that group started to play. You have a lot to learn I like you. I like take you to edge of woods; we have sexy good time. |
| ____________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 4:05pm - anonymous ""] HCP Fan said: I am pretty sure I remember One In Vain selling out the Avalon a few weeks ago. You might not like the way it works but if I am not mistaken that was a New England Concert event. OH! you mean the show 'TILL WE DIE' or some gay shit headlined? here's the typical crowd at a 'One In Vain' show... [img] |
| __________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 4:06pm - Sinistas ""] I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the headlining act who was releasing their cd might have had more to do with Avalon selling out than One In Vain. |
| _________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 4:08pm - sxealex ""] note... mike said nothing about one in vain other than joe is in them. |
| __________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 4:11pm - HCP Fan ""] <a href="http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=11491941">one in vain...6/23/07</a><br><embed src="http://lads.myspace.com/videos/myspacetv_vplayer0005.swf" flashvars="m=11491941&type=video" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="430" height="346"></embed><br><a href="http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.addToProfileConfirm&videoid=11491941&title=one in vain...6/23/07">Add to My Profile</a> | <a href="http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.home"> More Videos</a> |
| _________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 4:13pm - sxealex ""] bahahaha |
| ________________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 4:13pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] HCP Fan said:<a href="http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=11491941">one in vain...6/23/07</a><br><embed src="http://lads.myspace.com/videos/myspacetv_vplayer0005.swf" flashvars="m=11491941&type=video" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="430" height="346"></embed><br><a href="http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.addToProfileConfirm&videoid=11491941&title=one in vain...6/23/07">Add to My Profile</a> | <a href="http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.home"> More Videos</a> tROO DAT |
| _________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 4:13pm - sxealex ""] try linking us thnx |
| __________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 4:13pm - HCP Fan ""] http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=11491941 Here is a link to a video taped OIV show-- way to use a pic from when oIV started years ago. Those guys are not even still in the band |
| ____________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 4:14pm - anonymous ""] http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=11491941 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH wow, that's the roughest and toughest video of a mosh pit I've ever seen! |
| _________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 4:15pm - sxealex ""] bahahahaa |
| _________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 4:16pm - sxealex ""] id rather see L@0 anyday |
| _______________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 4:17pm - mike at zero ""] Dear guitar master and Hcp. I have a clue, and have paid my dues. Been doing this for 12 years now children. I used to listen to hardcore when it was good and cool about 15 fucking years ago. The only thing i'm saying is that the only reason that people ask bands to pay to play, is cause bands will do it. not all of us have our mommy's and daddy's buy our equipment, or model ourselves after no talen assclowns on the top 40 and mtv. As an artist you should get paid. if you don't see it that way, you are not an artist, you are just another asshole that want's to ride on others coattails and do what the big bands are doing. i for one do not want to sacrifice anymore of what I and my band have worked so hard for, and on for the past 7 years. |
| ______________________________________ [Jul 25,2007 4:19pm - the_reverend ""] facts shmacks... cobalt is spelt wrong... "We went from playing infront of 50- 100 people on a regular to 300-3,500" I call bullshit on those numbers unless you are counting paying loccobazoka or something. Mark's capacity is what, 350? and the really really good shows there do like 250. Whether or not I like pay to play is irrelevant. On the non-p2p shows that I went to at Mark's there were like 5 people there. People just don't go out of their way to go there and see bands unless there is a motivation for bands to get their friends/family out to the shows. This turns into a cut-co knife type thing where bands get their friends/family out to shows. you notice this when the headliner has like 6 people watching them right after 50 people were watching an opener. If I knew the answer to getting people out to shows, I wouldn't be running a shitty scene site for queerbaits. |