Read this convo with Joe of New England Concerts & OIV in regards to Mark's showplace. I ask for us to be a comunity and boycott these fuckers.[views:30370][posts:238]____________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 11:48am - da chief ""] actually the best way to stop local bands and promoters who go into business such as this is stop going to their shows. time will take care of the rest. also packed big hall show = boo packed little basement show = mucho goodtimes |
| ____________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 11:50am - da chief ""] hey cav could you say plethara in a spanish accent for me |
| _____________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 12:25pm - immortal13 ""] Yeah, I remember that show Fuck The Facts was supposed to play because umm...I put that fucking show on. Fucking assholes said it was to close in date and location to the show Mark's so they had to drop off. Funny, because the people putting on their show in Dover didn't seem to complain about it, which was a few days after. Even after my hatred for Mark's started, I was gonna go and see Enslaved and The Faceless there, but I've decided fuck that. I'm not touching that fucking rock club again. The only reason I'm ever going to Mark's again is for my friend who happens to be a stripper there, but I'm not stepping foot in the rock club. Bernie is nothing but a corrupt giant douche, and someone needs to put him out of business. |
| _____________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 12:25pm - immortal13 ""] By the way, yes I am still angry about the whole thing with FTF. I hope Bernie reads this too. What do you have to say now, dick? |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 3:22pm - dreadkill ""] from what i remember, the bombshelter shut down because management had no idea how to run the place. |
| _________________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 3:59pm - mikeatzero1977 ""] Dear arrow head: I already said i was a hothead, so Suggadeek! |
| _______________________________ [Jul 26,2007 4:00pm - slow ""] I've got a dumb question: how exactly does the sales pitch go when you are selling tickets? Friends and relatives are easy, but the majority of my coworkers and relatives HATE metal. So you get some mercy ticket sales there. Then what? Go into some metal show and try and convince random people in the crowd to buy tickets? Holy shit that would suck. I suppose after that you can't exactly back out since your family, friends and a few strangers have been conned into the show. So what next? Buy all the tickets and try and give them away? So after all that crap, you play a show in front of a couple of your friends that like metal, a bunch of bored coworkers, scared relatives and 5% of the people who you gave free tickets to that actually showed up? I think I'd rather sell vacuum cleaners or encyclopedias than tickets to a pay to play shitfest. |
| _________________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 4:05pm - mikeatzero1977 ""] why said:i for one would rather see one great band regardless of the distance than one good one and 4 or 5 that suck. you're not the roots of anything thats inconcievably stupid of you to say. and its not like you are really paying to play, you're buying tickets to sell that ensure that the band everyone actually wants to see will get paid and maybe even return you should be thankful to even get that,and if you spent half as much time trying to sell the tickets as you do crying online about selling tickets it would be a nonissue the only thing you'll accomplish by boycotting is that the good bands won't come at all and every night will be local shitfest night And what fantastically great band do you belong to? |
| _________________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 4:08pm - mikeatzero1977 ""] why said:and maybe if you're band didnt suck you would be able to sell some tickets,jerkoff and my band doesn't suck, it's called working full time jobs, having family, and various bills to pay. you sound as if you live in a cushy environment where your income is supplimented by your parents, as well as equipment and space cost. Your parents should have invested in abortion. |
| _________________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 4:12pm - mikeatzero1977 ""] hungtableed said:Any promoter who feels the necissity to have local openers sell 50-75 so that they can feel comfortable knowing they'll have the $ to pay the national, shouldn't be in the business of booking shows. See "Promoter". Promoting the show is his fucking job, even though 10 out 10 times the bands STILL promote the balls out of their own gigs. Our job is to bring the live music, not sell the place out for the club to fill their fat pockets. We just returned our tickets for the Nile show and told them we do not/will not partake in "paying to play". Fuck these fags. Kudos |
| _________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 4:43pm - sxealex ""] IN COMMUNIST RUSSIA BAND PLAYS YOU |
| _________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 4:45pm - sxealex ""] all these people need to sell Italian ice for a living |
| __________________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 4:46pm - largefreakatzero ""] I like Gelatto better. |
| _________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 4:47pm - sxealex ""] mi scapa la pipi |
| ________________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 4:51pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] This is what I use to sell tickets: [img] |
| __________________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 4:53pm - thegreatspaldino ""] that dude looks like kane hodder |
| __________________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 4:56pm - thegreatspaldino ""] and probably is him... |
| ______________________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 5:01pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] If the national act can't draw maybe it's the club's lack of promotion and that band's lack of a fanbase. Shouldn't a "big national act" like Nile be able to draw enough people to cover their costs and make the club a profit? If not then maybe the club should STOP MAKING STUPID FUCKING BUSINESS DECISIONS I love how all the promoters pull the "this is a business you just don't understand" card whenever a band calls bullshit on pay to play. Well if you're going to run it as a business, you book the fucking bands who draw enough to make a PROFIT. I know plenty of people who run businesses and all of them share one thing in common, they won't take on a job if they don't stand to make a profit. Does my fucking mechanic do work on exotic cars on the cheap because Ferrari's are a big draw and then gouge me on my fucking Subaru? Does my uncle lower his costs for some rich bastard who wants his house painted because the house is on the town's list of historic sites and therefore more prestigious? Absolutely not, because anyone who runs an actual business (not playing around with the strip club or Lyons Group's cash and acting important) knows that sound business decisions are what keep them afloat. |
| __________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 5:42pm - Hcp Fan ""] For all you haters ONE IN VAIN just nominated for Best Rock act in New England : Masscann, WBCN, & High Times Magazine....... |
| _______________________________ [Jul 26,2007 5:51pm - slow ""] Hcp Fan said:For all you haters ONE IN VAIN just nominated for Best Rock act in New England : Masscann, WBCN, & High Times Magazine....... Oh snap, you've got documentation that they don't suck! You win!!!! :middlefinger: |
| ________________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 5:55pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] Hcp Fan said:For all you haters ONE IN VAIN just nominated for Best Rock act in New England : Masscann, WBCN, & High Times Magazine....... = teh suck |
| ________________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 5:56pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:If the national act can't draw maybe it's the club's lack of promotion and that band's lack of a fanbase. Shouldn't a "big national act" like Nile be able to draw enough people to cover their costs and make the club a profit? If not then maybe the club should STOP MAKING STUPID FUCKING BUSINESS DECISIONS I love how all the promoters pull the "this is a business you just don't understand" card whenever a band calls bullshit on pay to play. Well if you're going to run it as a business, you book the fucking bands who draw enough to make a PROFIT. I know plenty of people who run businesses and all of them share one thing in common, they won't take on a job if they don't stand to make a profit. Does my fucking mechanic do work on exotic cars on the cheap because Ferrari's are a big draw and then gouge me on my fucking Subaru? Does my uncle lower his costs for some rich bastard who wants his house painted because the house is on the town's list of historic sites and therefore more prestigious? Absolutely not, because anyone who runs an actual business (not playing around with the strip club or Lyons Group's cash and acting important) knows that sound business decisions are what keep them afloat. That's a pretty fucking concise take on the situation. +1 |
| __________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 5:57pm - archaeon ""] Hcp Fan said:For all you haters ONE IN VAIN just nominated for Best Rock act in New England : Masscann, WBCN, & High Times Magazine....... that must make them good! who are the other crushing acts nominated? |
| __________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 6:04pm - timjohn ""] ROFLMAO |
| ________________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 7:17pm - pam in quincy ""] Sinistas said:If you've played at Mark's before, then why did you expect something different? They make you buy tickets upfront, and he said as such in the first message. There was no need to flame him and threaten a boycott when he did nothing to provoke it. I don't agree with the way things are done at Mark's, but there are too many high-profile shows for any boycott to work. Especially when this is how you go about starting it. Exactly. Dude, you know how Mark's works. Either work with them or don't. |
| _________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 9:08pm - sxealex ""] boycott shows no... bands should boycott pay to play as LAZ just did. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 10:19pm - Joe of Nec &OIV ""] mike at zero said:In regards to a suffocation show, Joe of New England Concerts & OIV: I will be heading uo tp the office soon and will check if there is still any openings for that bill. You might have to play a different show first to see how your band works out for us. All shows are ticketed events and bands are required to pre sell tickets. National acts require 50-75 tickets to play. Are you able to do this? Life at Zero:We've palyed mark's with Suffocation, kryptopsy, goatwhore, we belong on this bill. ask Bernie. Joe of New England Concerts & OIV:You guys are added to the November 17th Suffocation show. You can do one of 2 things. Either 50 tickets to play or 75 and New England Concerts will give you 25 free for you to sell and make $500. Let me know what you are able to do. Also is there any way you could hop on the July 28th Till we Die & One In Vain show this Saturday and have 20-30 people show up with out selling tickets? Please send me a contact number. Thanks-- Joe Life at zero:Well my band said no to either show, and i have to agree. The whole, us selling 50 tickets for pay to play is rediculous. What is the point of a promoter that doesn't lift a finger but gets paid regardless. How bout you pay the local bands regardless, you sell the tickets, and stop bleeding the local bands dry to fill your pockets. I found out or last show was supposed to be with Fuck the facts and you guys offered them more money to steel money from local bands. looks like we are starting a boycott of the rock club, and we will bring others with us./ Remeber the bombshelter, we helped shut them down we can do the same to you. Besides, shows aren't fun with TNT nazi security there Joe of New England Concerts & OIV:Wow - if you guys had a clue on how it works you would be red faced with stupidity. Good luck playing in front of 20 people for ever. Thanks for your kind words and good luck getting booked at any major venue Life at zero:Sweet joe, i posted this on Rttp, Goodluck now fuckface. We have more respect in the local seen then you assraping retards. And we don't need your approval to play anywhere in new england. 20 people huh, when did you guys turn into the biggest promoters in the universe fuckstick? You actually believe that you control the local seen? I'll post this for all the local bands you use to read, and see where you have support. I'm sure you can always use Black out Frenzy and C.S.D.O to play all your shows. So are you actually the guy who sucks the "national" act's dicks to get them to play that shit hole? I hope you all rot on a blazing altar of syphilis! You know- I wasn't gonna sink down to this whiney bitches level, but going against my best judgement I would like to say a few things to Mike Zero. People who have half a brain can see you are an ignorant ass. Before you dis on some one you have no clue about try asking a few questions instead of lashing out like a high school kid who just had his girl taken from him. So hear is an explaination about who I am and how you interpreted what I wrote all fucking wrong.First off for you to say that I am filling my pockets with money from shows is a total lie. I always put %100 into every band that I work with cause I have been on the other end of the band promoter relationship for over 13 years now. I grew up in with nothing my father past away when I was 5 and my mom struggled every day just to get us by. I started playing trumpet when I was 5 and all through my school career learned how to play all types of instruments. My whole life has been dedicated to music. When I got old enough to work I started a band with some friends. By my freshman year I was going to school, working a part time job ( just to have some decent clothes) , and playing 2 or more shows a week. I always stayed in the back ground when it came to the business side of things. We played hundreds of small shows anywhere we could but never made it real far and eventualy broke up. Me and my friends started the band up a few more times and always it was the same deal. Finaly we gave up. I never finished high school but then went to get my GED it wasn't that I was dumb but just didn't want to be at school when I could be out and feel free. I went back to school to be a medic and past. At this time I wasn't in a band or doing anything with music. I thought about it every day and night. I ended up getting bored with my job and quit to try something different. I just wanted to do something that I liked and didn't mind going to every day but couldn't find it. I have always worked for every thing I have and never have gotten any hand outs. I wanted to do better at life So I put myself through college and got a few degrees in business/sales and marketing and then public relations. Over a year ago or so I started up my band again but this time took all control over where we played and all other business related issues. We started out by playing a few local clubs with our first being the compound in Fitchburg mass. (That wonderful pic you see above) It was the same shit as before -- you show up and no one has a clue when you are supposed to go on bands are switching spots and every one is arguing. We play in front of the other bands and if we are lucky we have a good night with a hundred or so people. It sucked ass we wanted more structure and a better promoted show. I started setting up my own shows at clubs that would pay $300 a night to be split amongst all the bands. It still felt like we weren't realy getting our music out to anybody. My business started to grow and before I knew it I was booking shows that my band wasn't even playing at. I am not some sort of big shot and never was. I was trying to book a show In souhthern mass at the rocks rock club and I asked this band if they would play. They responded with a no cause they were playing with powerman that week. Then they must have told Bernie about my band and what I was doing cause he asked us to play a show at Marks for Till We Die's dvd recording party. We were asked to pre sell 75 tickets. It was tough but we did it. When we played that night I swear to god on my fathers grave there was 500 plus squished in the club with only ass to belly room. It was a rush playing a show of that size and hearing the crowd chant your name. I felt like we made it to the next level. Every show was profesional with a great staff, sound guy, and sound equipment.Yes bernie had us sell tickets to many events after that eventually once he knew we had built up a large fan base he started adding us to bills with no ticket sales. A few times we did have to dip in our pockets to cover a few tickets every now and then, but thats cause we were playing 4 shows a week. I never realy questioned the money thing because he was investing so much time and money into our band. When we needed shirts to sell he bought us 100 of them. He constantly spen $2,000 or more on radio adds to help get us noticed. He has always been a respectfull and helpfull person to our group. He even helped us get distribution at major stores. But we never acted like pompus ass holes. I missed booking shows And one day the opportunity came up to book at marks. The show went real well and all the bands were happy. So I continued to book shows under 13 Beats Entertainment. Eventually I was asked to become partners with New England Concerts. Mike-- You can ask any band who has worked with me how many bands I have kcked off a show for not selling what they said they could. The answer will be none. I treat every band with respect and explain how we work, why we do it this way and what we can offer in the future after we see how the band works as a whole. Don't discredit me cause you were PMS ing one afternoon. To get back to your remark about filling my pockets -- I make about $200 per show that I set up from the beginig. Some of theese shows take a month to book cause I actually put time and care into the events that I book so the bands cn get the most exposure they can from my events. I realized quickly how much a show of that calibur costs to run. Honestly in my eyes if you can't pull in 30 people to my show I don't really want to book you anyways. About your past problems with NEC I can almost bet it was do to your attitude and lack of intelligence. If a The only time we will pay a larger band more to play is if it truly benefits the whole show-- meaning they will draw a large crowd ( which takes the strain off of the local bands and there ticket sales. Almost every day I book national acts with local who only need to pre sell 25 tickets to play. The bands are aware that time slots are based on ticet sales. The band who works the hardest gets the best spots it is fair. All that aside -- I still book 2 shows a month at Marks with no ticket sales. Theese shows high lite local acts only and the ocasional band passing through. The bottom line is you asked me to play the show and when I expained what was required you lashed out like a fag that hasn't got his dick fix for the day. By me saying good luck playing in front of 20 peole for ever was rude of me , but uncomparable to your malicious remarks against me and my passion. And if you took me saying good luck at getting shows at any larger clubs as me black balling you and thinking I have all controll over the whole scene then you are even dummer than I first thought. It was a reference to your attitude. Dude lay off of the roids. If you don't like how we do things than thats fine. You have a right to your beliefs. But don't smear my name cause you didn't get your way. To Be honest I think your band sucks big harry nuts and I was trying to be nice ny trying you out first before adding you to a better bill. You never know how a band is on stage until you see them and since the only show you had booked was in December of this year I felt i need to see you play one time before commiting your band to a bigger show. The bottom line is your an ass. I was trying to be nice by brushing your remarks off and telling you to have good luck with what ever path you take and you pulled this childish Bullshit. Fuck you and I can't wait to see you play this winter. I will make sure to blow you a kiss from the front row (the only row). Mike don't hate me cause I am doing what I love to do. Feel free to ask any other band how there relationship has been with NEC and working with me. If you don't want to work then stop your bitching. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 10:33pm - Joe of Nec &OIV ""] The only truth to any thing you said was " TNT are Nazi's" I think so too but there are some huge business related reasons to use them for events that I wouldn't expect someone of your class to understand so please just put this in the past or continue your little boycott it realy does'nt effect me in any way. People can view this how ever they want. It will not effect me one bit. If they stop comming to one club I will book more in Boston or Worcester. I never had any bad intents and never shit on any band I have worked with. I plan on doing this for a long time and if the day comes that I hit the lottory and can afford to throw a big ass show free to all you will be thew first band I invite. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 10:35pm - Joe of Nec &OIV ""] PS - your still fucking gay |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 11:05pm - archaeon ""] Joe of Nec said: you are even dummer than I first thought. hahaha! instant fail The story pretty much goes like this, you booked a bunch of bands that had retarded friends who came to the shitty shows. Then you sold 75 tickets to your own retarded music friends and overweight girlfriends and played a show in front of more pathetic fans. Now you get to play on shows where all the other bands sell ridiculous amount of tickets to shows with shitty lineups! w00t now you get to book all big tours and get RETARDED openers (no offense to any rttp band thats played there/will play there). Bernie does radio ads, great. Who the fuck listens to the radio anyways, a bunch of faggots that know nothing about music. Great idea! Please fuck off and stop ruining the music scene, it's alright fucked enough. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 11:06pm - Joe of Nec &OIV ""] And to large freak at zero -- Yes I know my spelling sucks. |
| ____________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 11:08pm - DEATH2ALL ""] I just read this entire thread & now my head hurts. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 11:13pm - Joe of Nec &OIV ""] archaeon said:Joe of Nec said: you are even dummer than I first thought. hahaha! instant fail The story pretty much goes like this, you booked a bunch of bands that had retarded friends who came to the shitty shows. Then you sold 75 tickets to your own retarded music friends and overweight girlfriends and played a show in front of more pathetic fans. Now you get to play on shows where all the other bands sell ridiculous amount of tickets to shows with shitty lineups! w00t now you get to book all big tours and get RETARDED openers (no offense to any rttp band thats played there/will play there). Bernie does radio ads, great. Who the fuck listens to the radio anyways, a bunch of faggots that know nothing about music. Great idea! Please fuck off and stop ruining the music scene, it's alright fucked enough. Dude do us all a favore and shoot yourself you bitter fuck. I don't know about you but I enjoy playing the Ball room,avalon, and places alike. All I'm saying is that it has worked for me so far and at the very least has been a good resume builder and a stepping stone to bigger things. You must be mikes but buddy or fluffer are you 2 in the same band? |
| ___________________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 11:14pm - Dwellingsickness ""] Joe, Your professionalism in your response to Mike astounds me. You are the one that is coming off as a complete ass. |
| ________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 11:16pm - slow ""] That Joe moron could've at least had the courtesy to start new paragraphs every once in a while. Jesus. Pay to play is undeniably a means of hurting bands and then determining the lineup based on those sales is stomach wrenching. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 11:18pm - Joe of Nec &OIV ""] Dwellingsickness said:Joe, Your professionalism in your response to Mike astounds me. You are the one that is coming off as a complete ass. Your totaly right-- But at this point I feel I have the right to after having all theese false accusations of my personal charactor. I did nothing to provoke this but tellhim what was required to play a show. I could have been more profesional but I'd rather tell it how it is. He could have just said no thanks and moved on. |
| ____________________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 11:23pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] Joe of Nec said:Dwellingsickness said:Joe, Your professionalism in your response to Mike astounds me. You are the one that is coming off as a complete ass. Your totaly right-- But at this point I feel I have the right to after having all theese false accusations of my personal charactor. I did nothing to provoke this but tellhim what was required to play a show. I could have been more profesional but I'd rather tell it how it is. He could have just said no thanks and moved on. "you're" oh and.. [img] |
| ___________________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 11:26pm - Joe of Nec &OIV ""] I'm not bitching just telling my side. It's life and I am gonna have to deal with dicks like this for ever. It make life more interesting. |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 11:28pm - archaeon ""] Joe of Nec said: Dude do us all a favore and shoot yourself you bitter fuck. I don't know about you but I enjoy playing the Ball room,avalon, and places alike. All I'm saying is that it has worked for me so far and at the very least has been a good resume builder and a stepping stone to bigger things. You must be mikes but buddy or fluffer are you 2 in the same band? No, I've never met the guy. I wouldn't be bitter about your actions towards the scene when you're playing at the avalon or whatever club. It's when NEC books GOOD tours and puts bands that have no business being on the bill on it. There's no integrity within NEC, you guys take the easy way out. You clearly don't care about the scene by your lack of basic knowledge of what openers would and wouldn't fit on a show. You're booking a show for Suffocation and Immolation and I bet you can't name 5 brutal death metal bands from the new england area. Here's one of the openers for that show. http://www.myspace.com/ntnd Great choice! |
| ____________________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 11:31pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] oh! SNAP |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 11:33pm - archaeon ""] "Orignality is very important to us. We try to create music that is truley unique and really getts peoples attention. Call us what ever you want... screamo, metal, rock, as long as you like the music..." hahahahahahahahahahahaha |
| ________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 11:34pm - slow ""] archaeon said:Here's one of the openers for that show. http://www.myspace.com/ntnd Great choice! Holy shit, that shit band is opening for fucking Suffocation? |
| _______________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 11:37pm - adamtimenli ""] not having read all this because i don't have the time for it, i understand the complaints from the first 30 or so posts, but have no sympathy or advice. i've been in pay to play situations, and let's face it, you can only resort to selling to friends and acquaintances when you don't have too much time, the right location, or much exposure for your band. then again, if every band does their job when a 40-50 ticket requirement is laid, it's not just beneficial to the venue, but depending on the bill, the band gets that many more people to listen to your music who can enjoy it. you just have to hope all the friends of the other bands brought an excess of bar money to spend on your merch so you can break even or come out with some cash. as pete was saying, most of the time, a band puts in effort and cash before they even think about making money at a show. it's nice, yeah, but you can't expect it. right now we drop about 70-80 bucks per performance just to rent a vehicle to get to a show because none of us have anything big enough to bring equipment. you either love what you do, and it's enough to be worth it, or you give up and stop playing local metal. if you bitch and don't play, the venue won't give a shit, there'll be someone else there to sell tickets and make money for them. if you really bust your ass and sell more tickets that you're required to, you can make a lot of cash. you just have to ask yourself how much exposure you want, and if it's worth your time and money. if it's not, don't play, and don't bitch. |
| ____________________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 11:38pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] You should book Immortal and then have this way cool band Asystole as your opener. They just played their farewell tour but I'm sure they would reunite for that. ... :HAHAHA: |
| _________________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 11:40pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] Joe of Nec said:You know- I wasn't gonna sink down to this whiney bitches level, but going against my best judgement I would like to say a few things to Mike Zero. People who have half a brain can see you are an ignorant ass. Before you dis on some one you have no clue about try asking a few questions instead of lashing out like a high school kid who just had his girl taken from him. So hear is an explaination about who I am and how you interpreted what I wrote all fucking wrong.First off for you to say that I am filling my pockets with money from shows is a total lie. I always put %100 into every band that I work with cause I have been on the other end of the band promoter relationship for over 13 years now. I grew up in with nothing my father past away when I was 5 and my mom struggled every day just to get us by. I started playing trumpet when I was 5 and all through my school career learned how to play all types of instruments. My whole life has been dedicated to music. When I got old enough to work I started a band with some friends. By my freshman year I was going to school, working a part time job ( just to have some decent clothes) , and playing 2 or more shows a week. I always stayed in the back ground when it came to the business side of things. We played hundreds of small shows anywhere we could but never made it real far and eventualy broke up. Me and my friends started the band up a few more times and always it was the same deal. Finaly we gave up. I never finished high school but then went to get my GED it wasn't that I was dumb but just didn't want to be at school when I could be out and feel free. I went back to school to be a medic and past. At this time I wasn't in a band or doing anything with music. I thought about it every day and night. I ended up getting bored with my job and quit to try something different. I just wanted to do something that I liked and didn't mind going to every day but couldn't find it. I have always worked for every thing I have and never have gotten any hand outs. I wanted to do better at life So I put myself through college and got a few degrees in business/sales and marketing and then public relations. Over a year ago or so I started up my band again but this time took all control over where we played and all other business related issues. We started out by playing a few local clubs with our first being the compound in Fitchburg mass. (That wonderful pic you see above) It was the same shit as before -- you show up and no one has a clue when you are supposed to go on bands are switching spots and every one is arguing. We play in front of the other bands and if we are lucky we have a good night with a hundred or so people. It sucked ass we wanted more structure and a better promoted show. I started setting up my own shows at clubs that would pay $300 a night to be split amongst all the bands. It still felt like we weren't realy getting our music out to anybody. My business started to grow and before I knew it I was booking shows that my band wasn't even playing at. I am not some sort of big shot and never was. I was trying to book a show In souhthern mass at the rocks rock club and I asked this band if they would play. They responded with a no cause they were playing with powerman that week. Then they must have told Bernie about my band and what I was doing cause he asked us to play a show at Marks for Till We Die's dvd recording party. We were asked to pre sell 75 tickets. It was tough but we did it. When we played that night I swear to god on my fathers grave there was 500 plus squished in the club with only ass to belly room. It was a rush playing a show of that size and hearing the crowd chant your name. I felt like we made it to the next level. Every show was profesional with a great staff, sound guy, and sound equipment.Yes bernie had us sell tickets to many events after that eventually once he knew we had built up a large fan base he started adding us to bills with no ticket sales. A few times we did have to dip in our pockets to cover a few tickets every now and then, but thats cause we were playing 4 shows a week. I never realy questioned the money thing because he was investing so much time and money into our band. When we needed shirts to sell he bought us 100 of them. He constantly spen $2,000 or more on radio adds to help get us noticed. He has always been a respectfull and helpfull person to our group. He even helped us get distribution at major stores. But we never acted like pompus ass holes. I missed booking shows And one day the opportunity came up to book at marks. The show went real well and all the bands were happy. So I continued to book shows under 13 Beats Entertainment. Eventually I was asked to become partners with New England Concerts. Mike-- You can ask any band who has worked with me how many bands I have kcked off a show for not selling what they said they could. The answer will be none. I treat every band with respect and explain how we work, why we do it this way and what we can offer in the future after we see how the band works as a whole. Don't discredit me cause you were PMS ing one afternoon. To get back to your remark about filling my pockets -- I make about $200 per show that I set up from the beginig. Some of theese shows take a month to book cause I actually put time and care into the events that I book so the bands cn get the most exposure they can from my events. I realized quickly how much a show of that calibur costs to run. Honestly in my eyes if you can't pull in 30 people to my show I don't really want to book you anyways. About your past problems with NEC I can almost bet it was do to your attitude and lack of intelligence. If a The only time we will pay a larger band more to play is if it truly benefits the whole show-- meaning they will draw a large crowd ( which takes the strain off of the local bands and there ticket sales. Almost every day I book national acts with local who only need to pre sell 25 tickets to play. The bands are aware that time slots are based on ticet sales. The band who works the hardest gets the best spots it is fair. All that aside -- I still book 2 shows a month at Marks with no ticket sales. Theese shows high lite local acts only and the ocasional band passing through. The bottom line is you asked me to play the show and when I expained what was required you lashed out like a fag that hasn't got his dick fix for the day. By me saying good luck playing in front of 20 peole for ever was rude of me , but uncomparable to your malicious remarks against me and my passion. And if you took me saying good luck at getting shows at any larger clubs as me black balling you and thinking I have all controll over the whole scene then you are even dummer than I first thought. It was a reference to your attitude. Dude lay off of the roids. If you don't like how we do things than thats fine. You have a right to your beliefs. But don't smear my name cause you didn't get your way. To Be honest I think your band sucks big harry nuts and I was trying to be nice ny trying you out first before adding you to a better bill. You never know how a band is on stage until you see them and since the only show you had booked was in December of this year I felt i need to see you play one time before commiting your band to a bigger show. The bottom line is your an ass. I was trying to be nice by brushing your remarks off and telling you to have good luck with what ever path you take and you pulled this childish Bullshit. Fuck you and I can't wait to see you play this winter. I will make sure to blow you a kiss from the front row (the only row). Mike don't hate me cause I am doing what I love to do. Feel free to ask any other band how there relationship has been with NEC and working with me. If you don't want to work then stop your bitching. tl; dr |
| ___________________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 11:42pm - DaveFromTheGrave ""] FuckIsMySignature said:Joe of Nec said:Dwellingsickness said:Joe, Your professionalism in your response to Mike astounds me. You are the one that is coming off as a complete ass. Your totaly right-- But at this point I feel I have the right to after having all theese false accusations of my personal charactor. I did nothing to provoke this but tellhim what was required to play a show. I could have been more profesional but I'd rather tell it how it is. He could have just said no thanks and moved on. "you're" oh and.. [img] go fuck you'reself |
| _______________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 11:43pm - adamtimenli ""] asystole is sick. [img] |
| ____________________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 11:45pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] who the fuck is that dude |
| _______________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 11:46pm - adamtimenli ""] he thinks asystole sucks. ha......... aw. |
| ____________________________________________ [Jul 26,2007 11:47pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] i bet he thinks his vision sucks more |