Gibson Les Paul UNappreesh thread.[views:8769][posts:68]___________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 12:59am - Niccolai ""] So I'm at a music store playing around with a used ESP kiko lureiro sig that I'm very serriously considering buying. I'm dicking around with some riffage and whatever and one of the old dudes that works there walks up to me and without saying a word picks the guitar up off my lap and switches it with a fucking Gibson les paul. and sais 'You need to be playing a MAN's guitar, son' or something along those lines. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? ARRRGGG so mad. |
| _______________________________ [Jun 22,2007 7:07am - TROLL ""] Whats wrong with Gibs? If you can play well on a Gibson, you can play on anything. |
| ________________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 7:51am - DestroyYouAlot ""] Yeah, no thanks. Never played a Gibson I liked that wasn't a thunderbird. No, scratch that - the Nikki Sixx bass actually played pretty nicely. |
| __________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 8:25am - brian_dc ""] it's a dick move, but I see nothing wrong with Les Pauls. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 8:49am - immortal13 ""] I love Les Pauls...I just hate how heavy they are. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 9:20am - PaganMegaN ""] definitely too heavy... not sound wise but weight wise |
| ___________________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 9:34am - FuckIsMySignature ""] i disappreciate not having the $$ to purchase a gibson les paul |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 9:55am - Josh_Martin ""] Man do I miss my SG |
| ________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 9:56am - xmikex ""] My guitarist switched to a Les Paul a few months back. It sounds pretty gross, and gives him some better tone of the single note stuff. You still should have stuffed that guitar up that guy's ass. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 10:00am - largefreakatzero ""] Niccolai said:So I'm at a music store playing around with a used ESP kiko lureiro sig that I'm very serriously considering buying. I'm dicking around with some riffage and whatever and one of the old dudes that works there walks up to me and without saying a word picks the guitar up off my lap and switches it with a fucking Gibson les paul. and sais 'You need to be playing a MAN's guitar, son' or something along those lines. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? ARRRGGG so mad. Regardless of whether you like Gibsons or not, the proper response to the action of that "old dude" would be to say nothing and punch him as hard as possible in the throat. If his falling and gasping did not satisfy you, then I would recommend beating him with said guitar. What a fucking blow-hard, that's a douche maneuver. |
| _______________________________ [Jun 22,2007 10:31am - Lamp ""] PaganMegaN said:definitely too heavy... not sound wise but weight wise Basically what I was going to say in this thread. I love my SG though, sounds great. |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 10:46am - Kinslayer ""] My LP doesnt weigh too much... plus you get used to it after a little while. |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 10:52am - xanonymousx ""] hmm that was odd for someone to do, hey should of been like "hey i think this guitar will suit you better" then give it too you, but hey maybe it was his way of saying you deserve to be playing a $3000+ guitar. |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 10:54am - xanonymousx ""] [img] that is a slick looking esp. |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 10:58am - Kinslayer ""] scalloped fretboard from 12 on... |
| ______________________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 11:01am - MarkFuckingRichards ""] hahaha, what a dick. if someone tried to take a guitar out of my hands, there would be bloodshed. |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 11:11am - xanonymousx ""] I was looking on the japanese esp site and some of the artists over there have some over the top guitars. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 11:17am - largefreakatzero ""] xanonymousx said:[img] that is a slick looking esp. I don't have that model, but my ESP has a similar finish except with bound edges. |
| __________________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 11:40am - metal_church101 ""] Gibson LP's are way too expensive. Fuck that. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 12:02pm - Niccolai ""] largefreakatzero said:xanonymousx said:[img] that is a slick looking esp. I don't have that model, but my ESP has a similar finish except with bound edges. yea, those mh400s look nice. I've owned a few of them. I can not wait to own the lureiro sig though. japanese made, 27 frets, 12+ fret scallop, original floyd, flamed maple top (and not just a veneer).. yumm I will be putting EMGs in it though. and I have HUGE issues with gibson as a company and as a guitar. I would play a fucking hondo or jay turser before I'd ever play a gibson. |
| ________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 12:07pm - TROLL ""] Seriously, if you get down to brass tacs you really shouldn't need a guitar with thin ergonomic neck, light weight body and scalloped fretboards to shred. If you can't hit the notes with a 50 year old acoustic strung with piano wires and 1/4 inch action to boot.... ....You should put down the guitar and pick up sewing. :shocker: |
| _______________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 12:07pm - diamond_dave ""] although it was a dick move, i respect the salesman's sentiments. also, if Wata from Boris can handle an LP, anyone can. [img] |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 12:07pm - Niccolai ""] [img] |
| ________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 12:08pm - TROLL ""] diamond_dave said:although it was a dick move, i respect the salesman's sentiments. also, if Wata from Boris can handle an LP, anyone can. [img] thank you |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 12:10pm - Niccolai ""] I have no problem 'handling' a les paul, but in my opinion they are uncomfortale, built poorly, sound disgusting, insanely over priced, and hideous looking. If I pic up a 2000$ dollar sig in a store and tell him I'm considering buying it, he better not rip it out of my fucking hands because it's his paycheck for the next 4 weeks, and he DAMN sure better not switch it with a gibson that is the polar opposite to what I was originally playing in ever single imaginable way. Who the fuck does this guy think I am? |
| _________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 12:11pm - xmikex ""] You need a man's guitar sonny boy! [img] |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 12:13pm - Niccolai ""] And for the fucking record, you haven't played a "man's guitar" until you've owned a Moser Custom Shop. DestroyYouAlot understands. |
| ________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 12:14pm - TROLL ""] Niccolai said:I have no problem 'handling' a les paul, but in my opinion they are uncomfortale, built poorly, sound disgusting, insanely over priced, and hideous looking. If I pic up a 2000$ dollar sig in a store and tell him I'm considering buying it, he better not rip it out of my fucking hands because it's his paycheck for the next 4 weeks, and he DAMN sure better not switch it with a gibson that is the polar opposite to what I was originally playing in ever single imaginable way. Who the fuck does this guy think I am? .......a dumb teenager |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 12:15pm - Niccolai ""] Say what you want, but I know guitars as well or better then anyone here. |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 12:16pm - xanonymousx ""] Niccolai said:I have no problem 'handling' a les paul, but in my opinion they are uncomfortale, built poorly, sound disgusting, insanely over priced, and hideous looking. If I pic up a 2000$ dollar sig in a store and tell him I'm considering buying it, he better not rip it out of my fucking hands because it's his paycheck for the next 4 weeks, and he DAMN sure better not switch it with a gibson that is the polar opposite to what I was originally playing in ever single imaginable way. Who the fuck does this guy think I am? when i first read this i thought you said ESP Eclipse which is basically a Les Paul. So that may have made sense, but that wasn't the case and that guy did the wrong thing. What does Scalloped frets mean? Is it that they are slightly worn down and easier to play. |
| ________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 12:17pm - TROLL ""] guess that ends the thread |
| ________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 12:18pm - TROLL ""] nevermind |
| ________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 12:18pm - TROLL ""] blah blah blah |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 12:18pm - Niccolai ""] fret scallops: [img] They're not any easier or harder to play on, but you can do some nifty vibrato tricks with them. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 12:18pm - Archaeon ""] Les Pauls and Gibsons have a different feel than any other guitar. It's a love it or hate it type thing. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 12:20pm - Niccolai ""] it's not just the feel I have a problem with: [img] set pocketowned |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 12:32pm - Sinistas ""] Niccolai knows his shit, and has great taste in guitars. I like Les Pauls, but they're not for everybody, and the "man's guitar" thing is fucking stupid. |
| ________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 12:33pm - TROLL ""] I don't what that crap is at the top but it ain't an LP man. Maybe a low end model like Epiphone or something. |
| __________________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 12:45pm - metal_church101 ""] I'd get a lower budget look-a-like and put in higher end bridge pickup and save a boat load of money than forking it all out on an official Gibson LP. |
| ________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 12:49pm - TROLL ""] that works |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 12:49pm - i_am_lazy ""] Les Pauls have fucking horrid upper fret access. And the Kiko has fuckin' 27 frets. I'm 100% with Niccolai on this. Total dick move on that guy's part. If you can get that guitar ANYWHERE else, then do it. And Moser Customs rule, I wish I could afford all this shit. Where is this place, so I can pick up a Les Paul, play it for a bit, and ask the sales guy if he has a man's guitar around? |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 12:50pm - Niccolai ""] The bottom would be a 59'paul and the top would be a 59 reissue = ) gibson used to have this picture on their website. Guess why they took it down? rounding off the set and cutting the butt short on a plank will let you sortof 'rock' the neck blank back and forth so you can find the proper neck angle with the corresponding bridge (top picture). It works well in theory for finding the angle and it's cheaper and easier then just cutting the plan to the right angle, but I'd like to know how the hell neck-to-body resonance get's praised on a joint like that. Also, you can easilly tell it's not an epiphone or a cheap model because it has a full maple top (not a veneer like epiphones) and it's fully quilted. So yea, it's no secret that Gibson QC is down the toilet lately... but I guess they DO haveto fill every wall of every guitar center in America with their products, so they need more economical construction methods. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 12:54pm - Niccolai ""] i_am_lazy said:Les Pauls have fucking horrid upper fret access. And the Kiko has fuckin' 27 frets. I'm 100% with Niccolai on this. Total dick move on that guy's part. If you can get that guitar ANYWHERE else, then do it. And Moser Customs rule, I wish I could afford all this shit. Where is this place, so I can pick up a Les Paul, play it for a bit, and ask the sales guy if he has a man's guitar around? I wish i could get the guitar elsewhere, but it's not available in America and paying to have it imported is expensive (and dealers aren't allowed to, so it's hard to find one). Moser Custom Shops are the best made guitars I've ever played in my life. and the place is called "sam's music" in new york. someone traded the guitar in used there, I got wind of it, and had to arrange a ride all the way there. They only want $900 for this guitar. They clearly don't know what it is. :spineyes: |
| ________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 1:16pm - xmikex ""] They're having a sale on pansy guitars apparently. |
| ________________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 1:56pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] Niccolai said:and I have HUGE issues with gibson as a company and as a guitar. I would play a fucking hondo or jay turser before I'd ever play a gibson. Funny thing is? The ONLY two 6-string Gibson-esque guitars I've ever gotten my hands on, and liked? Were Jay Tursers. Not even kidding. One was SG copy, this thing had a nice thin neck (for an SG) and great action. The pickups weren't anything to write home about, but that's an easy fix. I still wish I'd bought it. The other was a double-cutout hollowbody, not at all appropriate for metal, but sounded fucking great for punk and rockabilly stuff, with less feedback when distorted than any other hollowbody I've played like that. Stolen, I wish I still had it. I can respect someone liking the tone of a LP, but I'm just not into fighting with a guitar. I want something that lets me do what I want to do with as little effort as possible, hence my ESP/LTD fanboyism. Oh, and one more thing: [img] LOL, wut? |
| ______________________________ [Jun 22,2007 2:01pm - blue ""] WHERE THE FUCK DID YOU FIND A KIKO SIGNATURE? |
| __________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 2:06pm - Niccolai ""] I'm not telling you unless I know you don't have the money to buy it, haha |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 4:13pm - Handinjury ""] Fuck Les Pauls, I dont care for them. I turned a 80's guitar player that loved his Les Pauls over to Ibanez, know he has 6 Ibanez's. |
| ______________________________ [Jun 22,2007 4:54pm - rhys ""] this is a man's guitar [img] |
| __________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 5:15pm - Niccolai ""] rhys said:this is a man's guitar [img] That thing probably looks, plays, and sounds better then any actual gibson. |
| ________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 5:18pm - xmikex ""] Now there's a man's cake. *tosses down scone in disgust* |
| __________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 5:20pm - Niccolai ""] If I put my pc resolution at 300x600 that cake takes up almost the whole screen... Now THAT'S a MAN'S resolution. |
| ______________________________ [Jun 22,2007 5:27pm - blue ""] Niccolai said:I'm not telling you unless I know you don't have the money to buy it, haha are you kidding? i just bought a VHT. i aint got shit for money. but you should buy my crate cab, its sitting in my apartment wanting a good home. |
| __________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 5:39pm - Niccolai ""] I need to buy that cab and this guitar. Sad thing is I only have 300$ in my bank account now and no job =( Hopefully I can afford to put the guitar on layaway and sell my MH1000 for a good chunk of what it will cost. I haveto buy a tremol-no for it as well. |
| ______________________________ [Jun 22,2007 5:48pm - blue ""] or you could just learn to use a floyd and have a new tool at your disposal. and buy my cab. |
| _______________________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 6:39pm - WhyamIandasshole nli ""] DestroyYouAlot said:Niccolai said:and I have HUGE issues with gibson as a company and as a guitar. I would play a fucking hondo or jay turser before I'd ever play a gibson. Funny thing is? The ONLY two 6-string Gibson-esque guitars I've ever gotten my hands on, and liked? Were Jay Tursers. Not even kidding. One was SG copy, this thing had a nice thin neck (for an SG) and great action. The pickups weren't anything to write home about, but that's an easy fix. I still wish I'd bought it. The other was a double-cutout hollowbody, not at all appropriate for metal, but sounded fucking great for punk and rockabilly stuff, with less feedback when distorted than any other hollowbody I've played like that. Stolen, I wish I still had it. I can respect someone liking the tone of a LP, but I'm just not into fighting with a guitar. I want something that lets me do what I want to do with as little effort as possible, hence my ESP/LTD fanboyism. Oh, and one more thing: [img] LOL, wut? Fucking love Mosers. Anyway dont hate on the Les Paul hate on the dude that was fucking with you. I dont know my Les Paul is the best guitar I've ever owned. Its sturdy as hell, sounds like a truck and plays like a dream. I really like the ESP stuff too so I guess its just a matter of taste. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 6:47pm - i_am_lazy ""] $900 for a Kiko, fucking ridiculous. Oh, if only I weren't dirt fucking broke. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 7:50pm - Kinslayer ""] Is that Moser Koa-Walnut-Quilt Maple-Walnut-Koa??? Sick! |
| _________________________________________ [Jun 22,2007 11:14pm - brad weymouth ""] les balls |
| ________________________________________________ [Jun 23,2007 12:34am - Hooker in sweatpants ""] i love my '79 custom. i'm a weirdo though. i can't play on any guitar built for "shredding" only on a boat of a les paul. i agree though. gibson these days is like the harley davidson of guitars. |
| ________________________________________________ [Jun 23,2007 12:37am - Hooker in sweatpants ""] oh and any fucking clerk that pulls that shit should be fired on the fucking spot. |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 23,2007 1:03am - tomv212121 ""] lol |
| _________________________________ [Jun 23,2007 8:45am - Shamash ""] I love me some Gibsons, but they're made poorly these days. Interesting photos of the neck joint. Their fret work is mighty spotty now too. |
| _____________________________________________________ [Jun 23,2007 11:38am - ArrowHead is watching you ""] Hooker in sweatpants said:i love my '79 custom. i agree though. gibson these days is like the harley davidson of guitars. Ironic, because I'm pretty sure that your '79 is from a period where gibson was making some of the poorest guitars they ever made. Don't feel bad though, because I love my '76 leftie gold-top deluxe, which is DEFINITELY from the period where gibson made the worst guitars they ever made. |
| __________________________________ [Jun 23,2007 11:44am - Anthny ""] ArrowHead is watching you said:Hooker in sweatpants said:i love my '79 custom. i agree though. gibson these days is like the harley davidson of guitars. Ironic, because I'm pretty sure that your '79 is from a period where gibson was making some of the poorest guitars they ever made. Don't feel bad though, because I love my '76 leftie gold-top deluxe, which is DEFINITELY from the period where gibson made the worst guitars they ever made. Matt's guitar is sick. Which one's the 79? The black beauty or the cherryburst? I think the black one is still at Phil's house by the way. |
| _____________________________________________________ [Jun 23,2007 12:35pm - ArrowHead is watching you ""] Anthny said: Matt's guitar is sick. I wouldn't argue, as I said I love my own guitar from the same period. However, it's widely known that that particular stretch of years (latter 70's) Gibson (actually Norlin at the time) moved their factory and were making the lowest quality guitars of their 50+ year history. Now think, If I love playing my '76 so much, and it's arguably one of the more crappy guitars Gibson built, what does that say about the higher quality instruments they made before and after it? |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 23,2007 12:39pm - keithnli ""] niccoli, that wasnt a les paul he gave you, that was a cock. dont pretend. |
| __________________________________ [Jun 23,2007 7:29pm - Niccolai ""] Who's pretending? Gibson Les Paul is how we say cock where I'm from. |
| __________________________________ [Jun 23,2007 7:48pm - brian_dc ""] I've had an Epiphone Les Paul for about 9 years now and despite some minor electronic stuff that just needed to be soldered and replacing the pickups to taste, the thing has had zero problems. I don't know, I love the thing. One of the most unique sounding guitars on the market. |